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Location: Oklahoma | Seeing that it happens more then I would of thought.
I was wondering if you purchased a horse thinking it is bred one way then come to find out its a totally differnt animal (it was an honest mistake). Would you as the breeder compensite the purchaser price on that horse being as more then likely the horse sold for way more as you the buyer thought it was one animal and it wound up being something differnt?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | sam.kappen - 2017-01-17 3:34 PM Seeing that it happens more then I would of thought.
I was wondering if you purchased a horse thinking it is bred one way then come to find out its a totally differnt animal (it was an honest mistake). Would you as the breeder compensite the purchaser price on that horse being as more then likely the horse sold for way more as you the buyer thought it was one animal and it wound up being something differnt?
call them and ask them.
Numbers on their website
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Location: Oklahoma | I am asking as a general question being as i have heard of more people coming out today saying this happened to them on horses they have purchased as little ones. This never really crossed my mind before, But i am sure it can happen. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm sure there would be some sort of compensation
or a law suit
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| No advice but I know some folks who bred a mare to Slick By Design. When they sent in the paperwork and hair samples to have the colt registered the Dams DNA did not match her papers. Turns out the papers had been switched somehow, maybe accidentally early in the mares life. SO now these people have a super good looking GRADE SBD baby... |
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Location: Oklahoma | So in something like that these is no way to DNA test that mare and figure out who she is? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I've sure heard of it. Responsible live cover will eliminate it, most people here in WY hand breed or even pasture breed. But with AI, I sure see how straws could get goofed...or put in the wrong mare. |
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| It reminds me of the Pearl, Vegas Resort, Cantbullythisguy mix up. Crap happens, greed happens, stupidity happens. Hard to tell the difference sometimes. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | sam.kappen - 2017-01-17 1:54 PM So in something like that these is no way to DNA test that mare and figure out who she is?
not unless you have some ideas of who her sire is...then narrow it down comparing her DNA to the dams listed on their breeding report. It would be expensive. I think in the instance of her being bred to Slick, it would be worth it though. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | sam.kappen - 2017-01-17 3:54 PM So in something like that these is no way to DNA test that mare and figure out who she is?
I don't think there is a methodology in the bank for matching DNA
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-01-17 2:56 PM I've sure heard of it. Responsible live cover will eliminate it, most people here in WY hand breed or even pasture breed. But with AI, I sure see how straws could get goofed...or put in the wrong mare.
That and most of you have to drive 2-3 hours to a competent vet. lol |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | oh I saw some FDD semen for sale. I'll tell the vet to "goof" and then explain to my husband, "well, we'll just have to fork over the dough so we can register it, darn vets."  |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-01-17 2:56 PM
I've sure heard of it. Responsible live cover will eliminate it, most people here in WY hand breed or even pasture breed. But with AI, I sure see how straws could get goofed...or put in the wrong mare.
I don't think this would change the issue that just came about... both horses exist and the right horse was bred to the right stud from what I understood but they got the babies confused because they looked alike and sold the wrong one. |
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| Casualdust has a very nice filly that was a surprise baby, her Moma was bred when they bought her. She jumped through all kinds of hoops to find out who the sire was, track them down, get necessary info, get the paperwork sent in only to find out the sires paperwork did match his DNA :(.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2017-01-17 2:56 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-01-17 2:56 PM
I've sure heard of it. Responsible live cover will eliminate it, most people here in WY hand breed or even pasture breed. But with AI, I sure see how straws could get goofed...or put in the wrong mare.
I don't think this would change the issue that just came about... both horses exist and the right horse was bred to the right stud from what I understood but they got the babies confused because they looked alike and sold the wrong one.
oh so a switched at birth deal. That would be tricky. If it was a gelding though and you likes his mind and build-hence why he was purchased...then I wouldn't care except where incentives might be an issue. |
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| While I've not had it happen to me personally (I don't think lol) I had a friend who had a very very nicely bred 7 year old stallion who had been in training since he was 3 and and shown successfully. ROM in multiple events, world qualifications etc. She decided it was time to breed him. His fee wasn't sky high but not cheap at $850 per mare. He had a full book of 25 mares his first year.
The next year babies were being born and they all looked so darn good, and everyone loved them and were excited about their future until when they went to register their horses and NONE of these horses were coming back as this stallions babies.
Finally DNA tested the stallion and he was NOT the horse on the papers. Called breeder and they tested him against every stallion and mare they had had on their property and he didn't match up to any of them.
So AQHA obviously pulled the horses papers. She now has one of the best trained and winningest grade horses in the country and a LOT of ****ed off mare owners that she had to do some smoothing out with. This was about 5/6 years ago but I always wonder who that horse really was because he looked the part, and he was athletic and clearly a winner. She even contacted the guy she bought him from as a 2 year old and he had taken him in on trade and they could never find that guy, so we'll probably never know if it was ever a honest mistake as he was just a bay with a star or if somebody purposely swapped papers.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-01-17 1:56 PM
I've sure heard of it. Responsible live cover will eliminate it, most people here in WY hand breed or even pasture breed. But with AI, I sure see how straws could get goofed...or put in the wrong mare.
Not necessaril true. What about colts getting swapped accidentally? You buy what you think is horse A, but it turns out it was actually horse B. Horse B ends up being horse A. It has nothing to do with wrong semen. Both sets of papers are real and correct. |
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Location: OH | I cannot imagine going through something like this----had to be incredibly tough for both sides involved. Glad it was resolved so professionally. |
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Location: Central Texas | I bought an APHA mare, black and white tobi. Glancing at the picture on the papers I just saw a black and white tobi then went straight to bloodlines. It wasn't until a month later i realized the horse on my papers was not the mare I had sitting in my pasture. A friend noticed that the papers were for a mare but it was very obviously a colt in the picture. I called APHA not knowing what the deal was...if my mare was grade or what. They were super helpful, said the picture obviously didn't go with my papers and had me send in pictures of my mare. Apparently when the breeder registered this filly he also registered several other black and white tobis at the same time. He accidently uploaded the right side view of my mares half brother but all the other angle views were of my mare. Got everything fixed. I now know to ALWAYS check the papers and make sure all markings listed match the horse I'm buying. Its much easier for crooked people to sell a grade horse with another horse's AQHA papers.
edited to add that if the breeder had that many babies that looked extremely similar, i could see how easily it would be to send in dna of one horse labeled as another, or mix up papers/mares/stallions on each. Although I do know people who list horses as cheaper if sold as grade...sell the horse and hold papers...then put those papers with another horse and sell same way...priced one way with these papers that don't actually go to the horse or cheaper as grade and so on. Check markings on papers when buying :)
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I have 1..i bought her as a weanling and come to find out she was by a different stud...him and a pasture mate got mixed up and switched mamas somehow.....the lady i bought her from offered to buy her back but i chose to keep her....m |
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Location: SE KS | Whiteboy - 2017-01-17 2:57 PM
It reminds me of the Pearl, Vegas Resort, Cantbullythisguy mix up. Crap happens, greed happens, stupidity happens. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.
Has anyone heard or has it been posted how this "situation" was or has been resolved? |
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| Last I read the resulting colt did finally get papers, was gelded, and either given away or sold to someone who will, if memory serves me right, never compete with him. As far as the vet paying for the screw up I guess that's still up in the air. |
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| In the case of the Fulton/Streakin Wink mix up that they posted about on FB, it sounds like Fultons made it right (and he's already sold?) but they mixed the papers on the two colts and the one they wanted to stand at stud (pedigree wise) was gelded and the one they got had the wrong papers. Sucky situation but great on them for willing to step up and fix it! |
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| I have a feeling this happened to me, my palomino gelding has a LF and a RH sock with white hooves, and a star and strip. His papers dont list the socks, and the facial marking isnt very precise (this was back when AQHA was still doing the "draw in the markings" instead of sending in pictures).. The breeder has about a dozen or so colts every year, most of them palomino, and the mares are all bred pretty similar. I've always half wondered if there wasn't a mix up with another colts papers. But hes in his late teens and a gelding so it never bothered me enough to look into |
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| When you buy as babies off thea ranch, I can see that happening pretty easily. It would not be a bad idea to have the horse tested again to make sure you did get the correct horse/paper combination. If you buy from someone who buys and sells horses regularly, making sure the papers are in order with transfers up to date will help eliminate many problems. I check tattoo numbers and everything. Papers not in order, I move on. Makes life so much easier. |
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