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| So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not.
ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture.
I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws. |
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| Griz - 2017-01-23 11:24 AM So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not. ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture. I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws.
Alfalfa or cubes, no grain and buy some tubes of ulcer guard and see if there is a difference, maybe the compounded product is not curing the ulcers. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-01-23 11:28 AM
Griz - 2017-01-23 11:24 AM So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not. ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture. I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws.
Alfalfa or cubes, no grain and buy some tubes of ulcer guard and see if there is a difference, maybe the compounded product is not curing the ulcers.
Do you have to soak the cubes? I had them in my cart to buy and read that on the package that it was "advisable" - I've never fed them before, so I didn't know. Also, how much should I feed? She's about 1000 pounds.
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| I think I would get a few tubes of GastroGard/UlcerGard to get in her system. Maybe once she's feeling better from that she'll go back on her feed and you can feed the compounded omeprazole. |
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| Griz - 2017-01-23 11:34 AM rodeomom3 - 2017-01-23 11:28 AM Griz - 2017-01-23 11:24 AM So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not. ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture. I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws. Alfalfa or cubes, no grain and buy some tubes of ulcer guard and see if there is a difference, maybe the compounded product is not curing the ulcers. Do you have to soak the cubes? I had them in my cart to buy and read that on the package that it was "advisable" - I've never fed them before, so I didn't know. Also, how much should I feed? She's about 1000 pounds. Thanks!
Everyone saids you should but mine won't eat them soaked. I feed the Stanley cubes and they are somewhat soft, I also feed off the ground which helps avoid choke. Good luck, hope she gets feeling better
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Try Equine Senior. Been having issues getting mine to eat right for almost a year, but he's never refused Equine Senior. He'll sort alfalfa pellets out, sometimes sorts out his Renew Gold and Forco, but he ALWAYS eats the Senior. Add a little Aloe Vera Juice if you need more moisture for the Omeprazole to stick to.
ALSO! I am pretty sure you're probably using the compound from Jim...I needed to force feed my horse some once--like it was either get it in him or load him up and head for OSU, so I mixed it with AVJ and syringed it to him. Worked immediately!
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Location: North Dakota | Mix the compounded powder with water or unsweetened apple sauce and pour into a syringe and do it that way for a few days till she starts eating again. That way she is getting it for sure and I would add alfalfa of some sort to her feed program at least until she starts to feel better. I would stick with Renew gold if giving anything. I can't find an ingredient list for the safe choice perform but I would assume it has molasses and other ingredients that do ulcer prone horses no favors. |
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Location: North Dakota | No grain...alfalfa hay, if you have access, or pellets/cubes, with a half a tube of omep daily for 14-21 days. I also do 10 cc of Equisure during this time as well. It may be overkill but it seems to work for me. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | No grain. Especially not Safe Choice. Grain adds to the problem. Especially if they aren't used to it and switching feeds when ulcers are present is a big no no. Horses should be gradually introduced to new feeds if you choose to feed grain. Alfalfa Cubes are your best bet. Continue with the renew gold, this is what your horses stomach is used to. On top of ulcers you don't want an upset stomach from introducing new grain. I'm afraid that's what you're dealing with now. Your horse probably isn't eating the new stuff because her stomach hurts from the new grain.
Mix the compound with water in a syringe. They make a medicine bridle with a bit that makes giving medicine to your horses a breeze. I use it daily on my gelding. Good Luck. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-01-23 3:10 PM
No grain...alfalfa hay, if you have access, or pellets/cubes, with a half a tube of omep daily for 14-21 days. I also do 10 cc of Equisure during this time as well. It may be overkill but it seems to work for me.
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Location: North Dakota | classicpotatochip - 2017-01-23 3:30 PM WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-01-23 3:10 PM No grain...alfalfa hay, if you have access, or pellets/cubes, with a half a tube of omep daily for 14-21 days. I also do 10 cc of Equisure during this time as well. It may be overkill but it seems to work for me. My recipe too.
It seriously works! I've tried one and not the other, but I never got the rockstar results like I get with the combo. I think the combination of healing the gut and creating a balanced PH is what's so awesome about it. |
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| WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2017-01-23 2:10 PM
No grain...alfalfa hay, if you have access, or pellets/cubes, with a half a tube of omep daily for 14-21 days. I also do 10 cc of Equisure during this time as well. It may be overkill but it seems to work for me.
I would definitely recommend trying the Equisure.
And they have a 10% off special till March 1st.
They did a clinical study on Equisure that is can heal ulcers which is awesome! |
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| MidWest1452 - 2017-01-23 1:32 PM
Mix the compounded powder with water or unsweetened apple sauce and pour into a syringe and do it that way for a few days till she starts eating again. That way she is getting it for sure and I would add alfalfa of some sort to her feed program at least until she starts to feel better. I would stick with Renew gold if giving anything. I can't find an ingredient list for the safe choice perform but I would assume it has molasses and other ingredients that do ulcer prone horses no favors.
No, Safe Choice doesn't have molasses, it is a pelleted feed. I wanted to stick with the Renew Gold but she won't touch it - I've never, in my life, had such a PICKY horse!
Thank you everybody for your responses!
I want to sell her as I have no time/desire to ride anymore but I have to get her feeling better first.
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Location: Illinois | If you look at the ingredient list of Safe Choice, cane molasses is usually in the first 8. I actually just checked it for someone the other day and it was listed. For the omeprazole to TREAT ulcers you must give 2.28g per day, which would be equivalent to a full tube of UlcerGard or GastroGard. Any smaller dose will reduce the effect on the ulcers. Also, once the omeprazole is stopped their stomach will produce extra acid after being "subdued" by the omeprazole, which can be enough to create ulcers again. You can treat a horse for 28 days, clear the ulcers and end up with a stomach full of ulcers again 2 days later thanks to the overactive digestive tract. This has happened to me. My horse has gotten them all the way up into his larynx before when scoped. Grain is one of your biggest enemies, mine gets very little of a high fat, low starch and it is enough for him. Keeping hay, preferably alfalfa under them as much as possible helps. Applesauce has always worked well for me when giving a powder, I've never had one turn down applesauce. I have mixed it in a syringe and given it that way, my horses are great at taking oral syringes but I know not all are that way. I'd suggest getting a daily preventative for your horse to stay on. I have only had success on MVP Gastro-Plex and I've tried about everything before that. I don't even have to give him omeprazole while racing, like I previously had to. I'd spend $40 in omperazole just to make one run and as a 3D horse that's a lot of cost for very little payback. But to each their own, every horse is different. It took me 5 years to find something that worked. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Griz - 2017-01-23 11:24 AM
So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not.
ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture.
I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws.
Give me a call at 530-934 9300 during business hours (Pacific time) and I will help you with your overall diet.
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Location: North Dakota | Griz - 2017-01-24 6:01 AM
MidWest1452 - 2017-01-23 1:32 PM
Mix the compounded powder with water or unsweetened apple sauce and pour into a syringe and do it that way for a few days till she starts eating again. That way she is getting it for sure and I would add alfalfa of some sort to her feed program at least until she starts to feel better. I would stick with Renew gold if giving anything. I can't find an ingredient list for the safe choice perform but I would assume it has molasses and other ingredients that do ulcer prone horses no favors.
No, Safe Choice doesn't have molasses, it is a pelleted feed. I wanted to stick with the Renew Gold but she won't touch it - I've never, in my life, had such a PICKY horse!
Thank you everybody for your responses!
I want to sell her as I have no time/desire to ride anymore but I have to get her feeling better first.
Umm.. what does it being a pelleted feed has to do with it not having molasses?? Triple crown senior has molasses as the 5th ingredient listed and it is pelleted. Blue bonnet omega force has it listed as about the 10th ingredient and it is a pelleted feed. I could go on but I am not sure it is necessary. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | try FORCO she may need a little more help with omeprezole. If she does have ulcers the grain just burns her gut that much more you can wet the hay cubes and mix the omeprezole in with it, or you can try straight crimps oats and see if she eats it. Alfalfa is a great buffer for a horse with ulcers and they do better on it. |
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| cow pie - 2017-01-24 9:22 PM
try FORCO she may need a little more help with omeprezole. If she does have ulcers the grain just burns her gut that much more you can wet the hay cubes and mix the omeprezole in with it, or you can try straight crimps oats and see if she eats it. Alfalfa is a great buffer for a horse with ulcers and they do better on it.
She's been on FORCO for 2 years - sometimes she'll even leave that in the bottom of her bucket.
I tried crimped oats but have heard oats aren't good - I get SOOOOOO many conflicting suggestions, I'm not sure which direction is up.
I've never, in 45 years, had a horse that was THIS high maintenance and I don't even haul her - can't imagine what she would be like with a little stress.
Of course, I think the high temps ranging from 20 to 65 around here probably don't help.
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| Griz - 2017-01-25 6:04 AM
cow pie - 2017-01-24 9:22 PM
try FORCO she may need a little more help with omeprezole. If she does have ulcers the grain just burns her gut that much more you can wet the hay cubes and mix the omeprezole in with it, or you can try straight crimps oats and see if she eats it. Alfalfa is a great buffer for a horse with ulcers and they do better on it.
She's been on FORCO for 2 years - sometimes she'll even leave that in the bottom of her bucket.
I tried crimped oats but have heard oats aren't good - I get SOOOOOO many conflicting suggestions, I'm not sure which direction is up.
I've never, in 45 years, had a horse that was THIS high maintenance and I don't even haul her - can't imagine what she would be like with a little stress.
Of course, I think the high temps ranging from 20 to 65 around here probably don't help.
Thanks for all the advice everyone.
Call winwillows, he is so knowledgeable and a very nice man. Hope you get it figured out. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'd remove any and all processed anything from her diet and first and foremost make the biggest part of her diet the highest quality forage you can find. For me that is alfalfa. For grain, I use a half scoop of whole oats once a day with either flax, boss, or rice bran to mix in my Cur-Ost. I have three on this program and 2 on alfalfa only and all are doing so much better than when I was feeding high grain loads and bermuda hay. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Just like everyone else said -- get rid of the grain! My mare lived on omeprazole. Ulcers kept coming regardless. Took out the grain and boom... ulcer free.
I also much prefer equisure to omeprazole. I've watched it work on severe ulcers and its far less messy. Plus it is so useful for so many other things as well!!! |
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| winwillows - 2017-01-24 5:00 PM
Griz - 2017-01-23 11:24 AM
So, I suspected ulcers with my mare after she became EXTREMELY cinchy. Started her on a 30-day Omeprazole compound. I watch her like a hawk because she just seems "uncomfortable" - not really colicky but just not right. I was feeding her Renew Gold and about 3 days ago, she stopped eating it - well, I HAVE to feed her to get the Omeprazole in her system, so I switched her to Nutrena SafeChoice Perform because it's a high fat, high fiber, low starch feed. I ALMOST bought some alfalfa cubes but I didn't know if they would help or not.
ANY ideas? She is in a stall and run pen and I feed brome hay. It's been too muddy to turn her in the pasture.
I'd love any advice any of you have. I feel like I am grasping at straws.
Give me a call at 530-934 9300 during business hours (Pacific time ) and I will help you with your overall diet.
Win
I'll try to give you a call - I work all the time and have to work Saturday too, (not to mention I despise talking on the phone) - LOL! But I'd love to hear what you have to say.
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Location: Willows, CA | Herbie - 2017-01-25 8:42 AM
I'd remove any and all processed anything from her diet and first and foremost make the biggest part of her diet the highest quality forage you can find. For me that is alfalfa. For grain, I use a half scoop of whole oats once a day with either flax, boss, or rice bran to mix in my Cur-Ost. I have three on this program and 2 on alfalfa only and all are doing so much better than when I was feeding high grain loads and bermuda hay.
Be sure that if you add straight rice bran that it is "stabilized". There is a huge difference in both nutritional value and safety. |
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Location: USA | Is Renew gold classified as a grain? |
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Location: Willows, CA | Oakley - 2017-01-27 10:09 AM
Is Renew gold classified as a grain?
Renew Gold is not a grain, since the ingredients in it that are grain derived are separated from the starch and sugars in the grain that they are sourced from. So it is more of a greatly concentrated grain replacer, or limiter, in the diet. However, that is only one of the jobs that it was formulated to do. When I developed Stabilized Rice Bran for feeding horses in the 1980's, that was designed to be a true grain replacer, with one primary job. That job was to provide digestible energy while reducing excess starch and sugars in the total diet. While Renew Gold does that now, it also has significant effects in the stomach and upper small intestine to reduce bacterial driven inflammation (this is why the coconut is in there). In addition it provides a source of Omega 3 from Stabilized flax, and a proprietary digestive aid for better hind gut efficiency and more complete digestion of the roughage part of the diet, a normalized PH, and therefore less inflammation and a properly functioning immune system. This is different than a straight grain replacer like Stabilized Rice Bran, though it does that also.
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| Get her on a good Sr feed. I use Blue Bonnet Intensify. OE Nutraceuticals has a great ulcer product. Also feed Alfalfa and if you can get it Timothy . Sr feed is highly digestible. Low starch and sugar . |
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Location: USA | Good to know thank you.
I am feeding my ulcer horse alfalfa hay and Renew gold mixed with some pellets to mix with his CurOst. Hoping I wasn't being counterproductive. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Oakley - 2017-01-31 9:32 AM
Good to know thank you.
I am feeding my ulcer horse alfalfa hay and Renew gold mixed with some pellets to mix with his CurOst. Hoping I wasn't being counterproductive.
RG in the program is a much better alternative for ulcer prone horses than four pound of oats. Total starch and sugar contribution is about 25% of what the oats contribute.
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