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| I can't say that I would pay more for a FF horse, or that they actually have more value. It costs $150 to enroll them if paid in full as a weanling. But I think that it does help with marketability. If I'm looking at two similar horses and one is FF and the other isn't, I do think I would lean more towards the FF horse because of resale. Over the years I've had people contact me looking specifically for prospects that were FF. |
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Location: OK | PLEASE PLEASE breeders if you breed to a FF stallion, invest the extra $150 to pay them in full and do not wait until they are 2 and sell them as Future Fortunes Eligable. I am not sure on the rates to pay them in but I am pretty sure at 3 it costs $2500.00 I own a future fortunes elgable that I bought at three and it is cost prohibitive to pay her in. I have had several future fortune horses and have won quite a bit of money with them. It is certainly worth the $150.00 but maybe not the $2500.00
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| I am pretty sure I read on the Future Fortunes FB page (when they were discussing doing away with the waiting list) that in 2018 it will be the 15th Birthday for Future Fortunes... any horse sired by a FF stallion can enroll for $500. Here is a reply to a post I found on Jan 4th from FF:
New Stallion prodigy are always $200. In 2018, our 15th Birthday, any horse sired by a FF Stallion can enroll for $500 |
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Location: Texas | I don't think you pay extra money for FF babies... the benefit is if you enter events with FF money added, its a side pot you're entered in without paying an entry fee on it.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 1:40 PM I don't think you pay extra money for FF babies... the benefit is if you enter events with FF money added, its a side pot you're entered in without paying an entry fee on it.
The FF babies have to be enrolled. If you enroll as a weanling it is probably $150. However, the later you enroll, the more expensive it is. As a 2YO to enroll, it was $1,500. So, it does make sense for the breeder to enroll or if you buy that early to enroll as well. It really doesn't make sense to enroll after the 2YO year. But you do have to enroll/nominate...it is not just a stallion side pot that breeders put up. |
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Location: Texas | Gator Bug - 2017-01-27 2:06 PM
casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 1:40 PM I don't think you pay extra money for FF babies... the benefit is if you enter events with FF money added, its a side pot you're entered in without paying an entry fee on it.
The FF babies have to be enrolled. If you enroll as a weanling it is probably $150. However, the later you enroll, the more expensive it is. As a 2YO to enroll, it was $1,500. So, it does make sense for the breeder to enroll or if you buy that early to enroll as well. It really doesn't make sense to enroll after the 2YO year. But you do have to enroll/nominate...it is not just a stallion side pot that breeders put up.
I know how Future Fortunes works and I enroll all my eligible babies in as weanlings myself to ensure they get paid in versus having the buyer pay them in and risk it not getting done. What I meant in my reply was, when I have sold babies that have been enrolled in FF versus ones who's sires werent in FF, having them in FF didnt make my sale go any faster or make my sale price increase any. The market is what it is and they both sold around the same age for around the same price. The benefit for me personally as a breeder was not the fact I got higher asking prices for them, but that I will hopefully get paid back when they compete. That's the point I was trying to make.
And in regards to my side pot comment... That is how the Future Fortunes events pay out. If you've paid your foal in as a weanling, they are eligible for extra money at those selected races with no additional entry fee just by being in Future Fortunes.
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Location: Weatherford, TX | casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 2:23 PM Gator Bug - 2017-01-27 2:06 PM casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 1:40 PM I don't think you pay extra money for FF babies... the benefit is if you enter events with FF money added, its a side pot you're entered in without paying an entry fee on it. The FF babies have to be enrolled. If you enroll as a weanling it is probably $150. However, the later you enroll, the more expensive it is. As a 2YO to enroll, it was $1,500. So, it does make sense for the breeder to enroll or if you buy that early to enroll as well. It really doesn't make sense to enroll after the 2YO year. But you do have to enroll/nominate...it is not just a stallion side pot that breeders put up. I know how Future Fortunes works and I enroll all my eligible babies in as weanlings myself to ensure they get paid in versus having the buyer pay them in and risk it not getting done. What I meant in my reply was, when I have sold babies that have been enrolled in FF versus ones who's sires werent in FF, having them in FF didnt make my sale go any faster or make my sale price increase any. The market is what it is and they both sold around the same age for around the same price. The benefit for me personally as a breeder was not the fact I got higher asking prices for them, but that I will hopefully get paid back when they compete. That's the point I was trying to make. And in regards to my side pot comment... That is how the Future Fortunes events pay out. If you've paid your foal in as a weanling, they are eligible for extra money at those selected races with no additional entry fee just by being in Future Fortunes.
It is extremely beneficial for the breeder/or buyer to enroll them as a weanling for $150. I think all breeders should do it for that price. However, if the breeder does not and a person buys a 2YO for $3,500 it doesn't make sense to pay $1,500-2,500 to enroll them. I have purchased both ways (as an early yearling and then as a 2YO - both FF eligible) I only enrolled the yearling. I was on board with FF in the first year or two. That's the program and I'm fine with it. I just think if a stallion is enrolled, the breeder should do it. It would definitely help a sale that way. However, as a 2YO to be enrolled after a purchase is not that beneficial. I hope I'm saying it the right way. |
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| Mis_Trev - 2017-01-27 11:00 AM
I am pretty sure I read on the Future Fortunes FB page (when they were discussing doing away with the waiting list) that in 2018 it will be the 15th Birthday for Future Fortunes... any horse sired by a FF stallion can enroll for $500. Here is a reply to a post I found on Jan 4th from FF:
New Stallion prodigy are always $200. In 2018, our 15th Birthday, any horse sired by a FF Stallion can enroll for $500
I wish 2018 would hurry the $%@* up then!! |
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Location: Oklahoma | Not sure I would pay "more" -- but we simply just wont buy one that is NOT future fortunes enrolled ... |
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| The way I see it is Futures Fortunes increases the prospective buyers, as there are some people that will only look at Futures Fortunes enrolled horses. Yes you may have be able to ask a little more, now with Futures Fortunes opening up the stallion registry to everyone, I think prices will come down on futures fortunes horses. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | cheryl makofka - 2017-01-28 8:11 AM
The way I see it is Futures Fortunes increases the prospective buyers, as there are some people that will only look at Futures Fortunes enrolled horses. Yes you may have be able to ask a little more, now with Futures Fortunes opening up the stallion registry to everyone, I think prices will come down on futures fortunes horses.
I'm going to have to disagree. I don't think opening up the books will bring down the price or 'prestige' if you will of ff babies simply because there will always be those owners that don't pay into it. I'm one of them. I was super new to the concept of ff when Sirocco first became an ff sure and didn't pay my colt in. I never could have afforded to pay him in as a 4 year old if not for freshman sure price of $200.
It's kind of like the Canadian superstakes. Even if those books were open, ss foals would still sell higher. Yes I realize ss foals are limited per stallion per year but still, ff will remain prestigious and increase value to a degree. Imo anyway.
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| casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 2:23 PM
Gator Bug - 2017-01-27 2:06 PM
casualdust07 - 2017-01-27 1:40 PM I don't think you pay extra money for FF babies... the benefit is if you enter events with FF money added, its a side pot you're entered in without paying an entry fee on it.
The FF babies have to be enrolled. If you enroll as a weanling it is probably $150. However, the later you enroll, the more expensive it is. As a 2YO to enroll, it was $1,500. So, it does make sense for the breeder to enroll or if you buy that early to enroll as well. It really doesn't make sense to enroll after the 2YO year. But you do have to enroll/nominate...it is not just a stallion side pot that breeders put up.
I know how Future Fortunes works and I enroll all my eligible babies in as weanlings myself to ensure they get paid in versus having the buyer pay them in and risk it not getting done. What I meant in my reply was, when I have sold babies that have been enrolled in FF versus ones who's sires werent in FF, having them in FF didnt make my sale go any faster or make my sale price increase any. The market is what it is and they both sold around the same age for around the same price. The benefit for me personally as a breeder was not the fact I got higher asking prices for them, but that I will hopefully get paid back when they compete. That's the point I was trying to make.
And in regards to my side pot comment... That is how the Future Fortunes events pay out. If you've paid your foal in as a weanling, they are eligible for extra money at those selected races with no additional entry fee just by being in Future Fortunes.
Casualdust is correct about all above.
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Location: Wyoming | FF is pretty neat... my mom is my horses breeder and between the two of us my horse brought home $1600 in Future Fortunes in 3 shows. Pretty good return on a $150 investment |
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| gunner07 - 2017-01-27 6:01 PM Mis_Trev - 2017-01-27 11:00 AM I am pretty sure I read on the Future Fortunes FB page (when they were discussing doing away with the waiting list) that in 2018 it will be the 15th Birthday for Future Fortunes... any horse sired by a FF stallion can enroll for $500. Here is a reply to a post I found on Jan 4th from FF:
New Stallion prodigy are always $200. In 2018, our 15th Birthday, any horse sired by a FF Stallion can enroll for $500 I wish 2018 would hurry the $%@* up then!!
LOL - I have a few friends that are right there with you! |
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Location: Georgia | Mis_Trev - 2017-01-27 12:00 PM I am pretty sure I read on the Future Fortunes FB page (when they were discussing doing away with the waiting list) that in 2018 it will be the 15th Birthday for Future Fortunes... any horse sired by a FF stallion can enroll for $500. Here is a reply to a post I found on Jan 4th from FF:
New Stallion prodigy are always $200. In 2018, our 15th Birthday, any horse sired by a FF Stallion can enroll for $500
Oh this is exciting! I procrastinated too long and missed enrolling mine. She will only be 4 next year though so I will definitely enroll her for that price! |
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Location: North MS | I always wanted a future fortunes horse...been casually looking for a diamond in the rough I could afford. This past year in December I got lucky. A mare I had raised became eligible. Her sire was accepted in 2016 and because I was sleep deprived with a newborn, I hadn't googled the sire in a while to see what he was up to. It was super close to the deadline. Literally the day I found out about it, I priority mailed her application and paperwork in with a check. She is good to go now and actually off to get some real riding time in April. |
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| jschipper - 2017-01-29 9:50 PM
cheryl makofka - 2017-01-28 8:11 AM
The way I see it is Futures Fortunes increases the prospective buyers, as there are some people that will only look at Futures Fortunes enrolled horses. Yes you may have be able to ask a little more, now with Futures Fortunes opening up the stallion registry to everyone, I think prices will come down on futures fortunes horses.
I'm going to have to disagree. I don't think opening up the books will bring down the price or 'prestige' if you will of ff babies simply because there will always be those owners that don't pay into it. I'm one of them. I was super new to the concept of ff when Sirocco first became an ff sure and didn't pay my colt in. I never could have afforded to pay him in as a 4 year old if not for freshman sure price of $200.
It's kind of like the Canadian superstakes. Even if those books were open, ss foals would still sell higher. Yes I realize ss foals are limited per stallion per year but still, ff will remain prestigious and increase value to a degree. Imo anyway.
You talk about the Canadian superstakes, in the past two years the prices of the superstakes foals has dropped unless you have the "fad" foal. It could do with the economy, and if could do with there being a lot of superstakes horses available. I have heard from a few CBHI stallion owners who say the market is now flooded with superstakes foals and they can't sell theirs. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | It's been worth it for me as a breeder, to sell breedings for my stallion and also for selling foals.
And as a buyer, I tend to buy fillies that are either enrolled or can be FF enrolled, to run myself and eventually put into our breeding program. |
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| moeman17 - 2017-01-26 3:28 PM
Just wondering what the real benefits are for pay the extra money for a ff prospect vs paying less for one that isn't?
I dont think you should have to pay more since it only cost $150 to enroll them, but it does draw more prospective buyers. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | Our futurity horse for last year won over $2000 in Future Fortunes bonus money. It only cost me $150 to pay her in. And she's eligible for bonus money for life with no additional fees.
More often than not I have been paid back when I have enrolled something in. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I just looked at the new Future Fortunes foal enrollment form and it appears they have changed it. It used to be $200 to grandfather any age foal into the program the first year a stallion was enrolled into the program. That is how I got my horse in. I have entered numerous FF events and so far haven't won any money. They pay out 5 places and unfortunately I usually place right under those 5 people almost every time. |
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Location: IL | reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:08 PM I know this is an older thread, but wanted to bring it back up. My 2015 filly is eligible for BBR Select Stallion and Future Fortunes. I mailed BBR check for $200, all good there. I had mailed FF a check for $200 (after calling to confirm the amount b/c it's a bit confusing esp when you don't know when a stallion was enrolled) - they sent it back stating it's $500. I called to confirm and they said the stud is a 2018 stallion so the fee is $500. I'm new to understanding how the stallion incentives work, but appears FF changed for 2018 and all off spring of enrolled stallion is now $500. I just can't bring myself to send in $500 - that just seems really high to me. Don't think i'm going to do it. Does the average barrel racer (few of us get to haul and go as much as we would like, i'm sure), is it really worth it? Just curious to others opinions.
OK I just paid my 6 yr old mare into FF, her sire was Fuel Charger who is now deceased. Her pay in was $500. How old is your horse? Who is the sire? |
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Location: IL | reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:33 PM 2015 filly by CRM Livewire (had mailed in check in dec 2017 cause thought I needed to get in by 2017 in order to get in before fees went up for 2018 - as did the stallion owner, she also thought he was 'grandfathered').
I just looked on the enrollment form and it does state 2015 foals are $500 to sign up. Even if you sent it in by end of 2017 she still would have been $500
http://futurefortunesinc.com/forms/FutureFortunesFoal18.pdf |
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Location: IL | Call them and tell them this sire was just enrolled this year, and thought they grandfathered any foals for $200. See what they say.
Edited to say, looks like it changed to $500 for 2018, since he is a newly 2018 stallion, then all foals 2 yr old and up are $500, last year is was $200 but this stud was not in FF yet.
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Location: IL | reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:44 PM merdth6 - 2018-01-18 3:40 PM reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:33 PM 2015 filly by CRM Livewire (had mailed in check in dec 2017 cause thought I needed to get in by 2017 in order to get in before fees went up for 2018 - as did the stallion owner, she also thought he was 'grandfathered'). I just looked on the enrollment form and it does state 2015 foals are $500 to sign up. Even if you sent it in by end of 2017 she still would have been $500
http://futurefortunesinc.com/forms/FutureFortunesFoal18.pdf Yes, on the form online now it does read that way. If you'll notice, on the bottom right of that form it says it was updated 1/10/2018. The form I used when I printed in 2017 (and called FF to confirm the amount I should send in ) states it's $200 for 2017 newly enrolled FF stallions - Foals yearling & older (received by 12/31/17 ). This form reads "updated 7/5/2017".
read above, I edited my last comment. If you go to the rules, it explains it. |
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Location: NE Texas | merdth6 - 2018-01-18 3:42 PM
Call them and tell them this sire was just enrolled this year, and thought they grandfathered any foals for $200. See what they say.
Edited to say, looks like it changed to $500 for 2018, since he is a newly 2018 stallion, then all foals 2 yr old and up are $500, last year is was $200 but this stud was not in FF yet.
I called. Got nowhere. I give up - will just focus on BBR races. I think the change for 2018 is nice benefit for those with 'older' horses to newly enrolled stallions, but $500 for a 2yo and the stallion was just enrolled. No thanks. |
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Location: IL | reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:57 PM merdth6 - 2018-01-18 3:47 PM reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:44 PM merdth6 - 2018-01-18 3:40 PM reese_tx - 2018-01-18 3:33 PM 2015 filly by CRM Livewire (had mailed in check in dec 2017 cause thought I needed to get in by 2017 in order to get in before fees went up for 2018 - as did the stallion owner, she also thought he was 'grandfathered'). I just looked on the enrollment form and it does state 2015 foals are $500 to sign up. Even if you sent it in by end of 2017 she still would have been $500
http://futurefortunesinc.com/forms/FutureFortunesFoal18.pdf Yes, on the form online now it does read that way. If you'll notice, on the bottom right of that form it says it was updated 1/10/2018. The form I used when I printed in 2017 (and called FF to confirm the amount I should send in ) states it's $200 for 2017 newly enrolled FF stallions - Foals yearling & older (received by 12/31/17 ). This form reads "updated 7/5/2017". yes thanks. The confusion comes in b/c I was told he was enrolled in 2017, not 2018. Where can you see of FF the year the stallion was enrolled?
If you go to stallions and hover over his name it does say 2018 stallion |
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