brlracerchick - 2017-01-31 5:43 PM

Bull appears to be a paddler. I personally am not a fan of the way he moves.  

brlracerchick - 2017-01-31 6:43 PM

Bull appears to be a paddler. I personally am not a fan of the way he moves.  

Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 3:46 PM

Well after all the fees that get tacked on (the stallion auction wording was a tad misleading) the total cost turns into $1175 (vet fees pending an average cost) to breed to Bull. Not entirely positive I want to spend that on a stallion I don't have any good conformation pics of and no good videos.


She may just be left open this year.

shakeit0410 - 2017-02-07 4:02 PM So then you just plan to eat the cost of the bid you placed in the stallion auction?

Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 10:07 PM

The stud fee I paid is honestly the cheapest part of the whole equation. Lol. Idk I'm the type of person that over thinks EVERYTHING. If i could at least get some decent side pics it would make me feel better. I can't even find any win photos.

If i decided to not use the breeding I would ask Bull's owner if it was ok to sell it. If she said no then I'd have to respect that. I honestly have no clue at this point.

Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-07 9:41 PM


Maybe she could supply you some pictures?? (I'm an over-thinker too!!)

Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 11:51 PM


I asked for better pictures, I was told they won't be getting any till he fully sheds out :-\

Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-07 11:13 PM


So I guess you're hoping for a REAL early spring?!?

Chandler's Mom - 2017-02-08 2:11 AM

Have you found good pictures of his foals?

Serenity06 - 2017-02-07 11:07 PM The stud fee I paid is honestly the cheapest part of the whole equation. Lol. Idk I'm the type of person that over thinks EVERYTHING. If i could at least get some decent side pics it would make me feel better. I can't even find any win photos. If i decided to not use the breeding I would ask Bull's owner if it was ok to sell it. If she said no then I'd have to respect that. I honestly have no clue at this point.

Murphy - 2017-02-08 10:41 AM


It sucks to say, but the stud fee is usually always the cheapest part of breeding.  

SaraJean - 2017-02-08 1:09 PM

 If you want to know exactly what he looks like jump in a car and go see him for yourself. 2 hours is a short drive and you'll see much more than photos show.

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-08 11:23 AM

What has PFF sired to date? 

SaraJean - 2017-02-08 12:09 PM

 If you want to know exactly what he looks like jump in a car and go see him for yourself. 2 hours is a short drive and you'll see much more than photos show.

Serenity06 - 2017-02-08 2:15 PM I know of quite a few consistently in the 1D/2D.plenty more are great all around horses or used as ranch horses. Chris Martin and some other futurity trainers have a few that haven't started running yet. I'm not really after a world contender. I also wasn't just referring to PFF in that last statement. I meant in general my hesitation on spending $1175 on a young stallion with no good confirmation photos to help promote him and no foals on the ground when I can spend that on plenty of other proven studs is my over thinking hesitation. It was more of a general statement then anything.

KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 5:31 AM

Virtually EVERY stallion auction has extra farm fees that you have to pay. When a stallion owner donates a stud fee to an auction, they have already given up a stud fee out of their pocket. They shouldn't have to eat the shipping or collecting fees too. As others have mentioned - and you are trying to schedule - go see him. Then you know what he really looks like. At the very least - The owners can snap a few pictures on their phone and text them to you. I ask this of studs with $500 stud fees and $5000. I don't care if it is perfect pictures or even if he is clean - but I WILL see or I WON'T breed. If they are responsible breeders, they will do this.

Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 7:50 AM Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out. So yes I do plan to go see him.

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:23 AM


I don't blame them for not wanting to take icky pictures. With the way we can all copy and share pictures all over social media, it doesn't take much for one bad picture to ruin a stallion's reputation. I am amazed at the people that take the most horrid pictures of their stallions themselves and paste them all over the internet and on flyers. I know when we were stallion shopping to buy our first stallion, 99% of the pictures that made us gag, the colt himself was actually pretty nice. Most people don't know how to properly set up a horse for a photo. 

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM I don't blame them for not wanting to take icky pictures. With the way we can all copy and share pictures all over social media, it doesn't take much for one bad picture to ruin a stallion's reputation. I am amazed at the people that take the most horrid pictures of their stallions themselves and paste them all over the internet and on flyers. I know when we were stallion shopping to buy our first stallion, 99% of the pictures that made us gag, the colt himself was actually pretty nice. Most people don't know how to properly set up a horse for a photo. 

Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:30 AM That is exactly why I won't take any pics or anything when I go see him. I understand completely as to why they are waiting till they have professional pictures. I don't blame her at all.

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:42 AM


and most of all, watch him move. If he is said to paddle, watch him trot to you and away. I envy you living close enough to see him. In WY I am so far removed from all the nice race stallions I would love to breed to. It would take me a year to drive the country and see them all 

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:23 AM


I don't blame them for not wanting to take icky pictures. With the way we can all copy and share pictures all over social media, it doesn't take much for one bad picture to ruin a stallion's reputation. I am amazed at the people that take the most horrid pictures of their stallions themselves and paste them all over the internet and on flyers. I know when we were stallion shopping to buy our first stallion, 99% of the pictures that made us gag, the colt himself was actually pretty nice. Most people don't know how to properly set up a horse for a photo. 

Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 8:50 AM


Again, I was well aware there would be more fees involved other then the initial bid. The issue was the wording on the auction site was misleading and I thought there was live cover when there is not. So when I bid I did not think I'd need to factor in shipping costs and vet fees to AI. That is all explained multiple times already. I have also already mentioned that I have asked for conformation pics and the owner said they won't be taking any until he fully sheds out.

So yes I do plan to go see him.

KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:13 AM And there are ENTIRELY TO MANY pictures of studs used in an advertisement that are photo shopped or angled just so until it looks nothing actually like the stallion. I've gone MANY times to look and thought I must be looking at the wrong horse. If an owner has nothing to hide - They wouldn't mind sending a close up picture of how the leg sets or if the horse is straight. Most people are capable of taking a picture that shows the horse how it HONESTLY is. Would it be a picture you want for a slick stud ad? No. But if it is a honest picture of the stud - I'd have no problem with the world seeing it. the stud is what the stud is. A true horse person looks past the dirt or shag and evaluates the horse underneath.

KindaClassey - 2017-02-09 10:19 AM


Then perhaps you can consider this a lesson learned. I don't want to sound snarky, but you placed a bid without educating yourself about what you were bidding on and on a horse you weren't sure you wanted to breed to. That is not the stallion auction's fault. Hopefully, when you get to go see him - You'll like him.

wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 10:25 AM


Very very true, that was also the case when we were stallion shopping. Actually I would say the ones we liked the most in pictures were nothing like that in person :/ and the ones we didn't like the pics, were nice individuals-just poor photos. My late stallion took awful pictures. We snapped over 150 before we found a couple we liked. He was just so hohum about the whole thing and he was actually a very correct well made horse. Then the FG stallion I breed to is as photogenic as they come. I can snap some quick pictures when I go to work with his owner and he always strikes a pose. Natural I guess. I am more like my late stud ( I hate the camera and it hates me lol).

Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM


Actually I DO want to breed to him but you apparently haven't bothered to read everything I have wrote. I don't blame the stallion auction, I simply misinterpreted which I have already said multiple times. I NEVER placed the blame for anything on anyone but myself. I bid because the way I interpreted the wording meant my costs would be HALF what they will be to ship semen and add in all the other extras. The cost I THOUGHT I had figured out was worth the gamble on a young up coming stallion. All of which I said multiple times. I post here so pepole can have an outside view and possibly give advise I haven't thought of, such as seeing if they collect and AI at the barn or not. Why I didn't think of that I have no clue, I should have. Lol. That option puts me closer to what I originally thought the whole deal would cost me.

Money isn't the real issue, the issue was how much of it I was willing to spend on a stud standing for his first year vs spending the same exact amount or just slightly more on a more proven stud since there are so many around the same price range. I placed the bid at the end of November so by the end of January after WAY too much has happened I did honestly forget about the auction.

veintiocho - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM


I think her question is why would you bid on a stud that you are now having to go look at to be sure you want to breed your mare to.

Serenity06 - 2017-02-09 12:04 PM


I answered that question multiple times. At the time I placed the bid the way I interpreted what was written I though live cover was an option and that had the cost of breeding to this young upcoming stallion at half of what it is to ship semen and factor in all the fees that go along with it.

veintiocho - 2017-02-09 11:08 AM


So you'll breed your mare to any old stud just because they live cover? I don't think so. The question was, why did you place a bid on this stud if you are not sure about him.

I'm not picking on you, just trying to explain the question. :)

Murphy - 2017-02-08 9:41 AM


It sucks to say, but the stud fee is usually always the cheapest part of breeding.  

oija - 2017-02-09 1:31 PM

I would just email the owners and stallion auction and see if selling the breeding is an option. You may still choose to keep/use it but at least then you know if this is even an option.

Then you need to think about your goals. Are you going to breed to sell or to keep?

If you are breeding to sell, the proven stud may be a better option. But paints don't have the easiest resell. Some may actually prefer something with color in that case so you may want to go with the paint sire.