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| I'll try to keep this short, but bare with me. Two years ago my daughter who is currently 12, was "gifted " an extremely well bred yearling by some friends of ours. We were moving and she use to help them on their ranch with all the yearlings they'd bring up from the pasture, this particular colt took an instant liking to her, strangest thing we've all ever witnessed. It was like an instant bond between the two. On moving day, the guy came up to our house and handed my kid the papers to the colt and said he's yours, you can't leave without him. So that's how we ended up with him.... she played with him, taught him a few things, did some ground work, saddled him, put a bit in his mouth, etc etc... she also decided one day to climb on him while he was laying down... he did nothing. So she decided it was time to get on him... bareback in the pasture, I wasn't home... she pulled him to the fence and just plopped on him... again, he did nothing.. just walked off like no big deal... so after that she rode him more n more, just bareback and halter and leadrope, sometimes just a leadrope around his neck... he never acted naughty or even slightly offered to buck.
Fast forward, we sent the colt off to our trainer last week to get the basics and just good ol fashioned wet saddle blankets.... he called up the other day and said he had no idea how my daughter was able to ride him, he completely blew up like a rank bronc when he tried to step on him. He said he's going to have to completely start this horse from scratch, ground work first because he can't even try to get on him without him exploding. To say the least, I was bummed I thought he'd be so easy going because that's all he's been with my kid...
Anyway, I told her what the trainer said and I told her to please keep an open mind if we decide to sell this horse and get you something "finished" been there done that type because she's wanting to run barrels more competitive this spring , and we certainly can't afford to keep that colt in training and purchase another. Told her if she's wanting to hit the barrels in spring he's not going to be the one she can do it on. Keep in mind, while she's a good little rider, she's got a ways to go and needs a lot more direction as well..she melted down on me last night saying she doesn't want to get rid of the horse, that she could handle him, etc etc... and that I don't believe in her ... completely broke my heart... I'm not even sure what I'm asking here, but I just feel awful... I don't want her to get hurt, I'm thinking of sending her to our trainer and let him work with her as well, help her understand how to handle the young ones and she can also ride several of his finished horses to understand how much nicer it is! He got me out of my younger horse a few years ago and on a nicer finished gelding, after a whole year of struggling with that colt, lots of tears and frustration and not wanting to throw in the towel but that colt completely killed my confidence I don't want that happening to my daughter. |
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| Sounds to me like the horse has a bond with your daughter, is used to her weight and the trainer is NOT a good fit for the horse.
The weight difference, not having a bond, and who knows what the trainer does with the horse, may be the reason the horse is being naughty.
Take your daughter over and see if she can even work with the horse now. He may have a had a freak out session because he's in a new environment with a strange dude when he's used to a small female at home. |
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Location: Idaho | Maybe there is a reason the colt isn't working for the trainer? And sometimes, when you have that connection and that bond, believe me when I say you might want to consider sending him to someone else. Maybe the colt doesn't like men? Maybe the colt and your daughter just click, especially if he let her get on him without a fuss... to me that says something.
I am not a parent, and maybe that is where my thinking is a bit flawed. But I would take that colt away from the trainer and try and see if your daughter can work with him at home. Starting a colt is a good experience for her, especially at a young age. Maybe instead of sending the horse off to a trainer, then maybe hire a trainer to come to you to help her learn how to start him. I wouldn't send him away. Some horses are different than others and require a different touch, especially some of those more higher bred ones.
I'd say let your daughter try with supervision.
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Location: South | I completely understand your situation and what you are saying. I would agree that maybe your daughter needs to go to the trainers so the trainer can train them both "together" per say. I will say I do have a horse (mare) that sounds very similar to this horse. We have a bond, probably not as strong as your daughters. But I am- and always have been the only one that can mess with her. I don't know what it is about me, but I am the only one that can ride her or catch her to do ANYTHING with her. She will blow her nose, act standoffish, pretty much act a fool with my husband or anyone else. I say see what working with them both together does and see how it goes. She maybe able to work wonders with him. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Oh this is a tuff one for sure, I feel for you mom and for your daughter, if this were me I would find a different person to work with this colt and see how it gos from there, maybe even a lady to work with him. I'm thinking this man may not be a good fit for this young horse. I would try someone different for sure..  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends." |
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| Try another trainer. We had a filly that was just really good minded on the ground. I don't start young horses and this one is well bred so we sent her off to a girl who has started many colts for my sister and is a WPRA and futurity money winner. She called me at the end of the month telling me this mare was dangerous and needed to go to the auction for dog meat. I was really surprised, we had this filly for 2 years and she was sweet as pie. I went to pick her up and she just hopped in the trailer. At home she was back to her sweet self. The girl we had bought her from said if we ever wanted to sell, she wanted first chance. So I called her up and told we would sell her but only if she talked to the girl who tried to break her because this girl had a 8 year old daughter and I wanted to be completely up front about this mare. She called back and said she didn't want her so I sent her to another trainer who is really good with problem horses. He couldn't get this mare to do anything wrong. She broke out well and my daughter took her up to chiro school to ride off and on and she was still good.
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| I seriously feel like we are the same person - except the kid is my 11 year old niece. We bought her a 5 year old for Christmas, very small budget and a friend of mine had a started 5 year old. Ridden quite a bit last summer, trail rode, etc but had been sitting. Well we picked him up and figured he needs a refresher, couple weeks and I went to get on and he BLEW up. I didn't even get a leg over. So I started from scratch... and now he has about 20 rides but I had this exact same conversation with my sister.
I had the conversation with my niece that she may not ride this horse this year. She is willing to wait but... we made the deal that if he doesn't make progress by X date, we need to consider selling him. If he makes progress then we send him out for some ride time (I don't have an indoor) and I have already hauled to two of my friends who have worked with him and I know they get along.
With all that said, I would make sure your trainer and that horse get along. Secondly, I wouldn't jump the gun just yet. I think you should see how he works that horse and decide. Sounds like he has taken care of your daughter in the past and maybe he isn't a horse that transfers from one set of hands to another. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | GLP - 2017-02-09 8:41 AM Try another trainer. We had a filly that was just really good minded on the ground. I don't start young horses and this one is well bred so we sent her off to a girl who has started many colts for my sister and is a WPRA and futurity money winner. She called me at the end of the month telling me this mare was dangerous and needed to go to the auction for dog meat. I was really surprised, we had this filly for 2 years and she was sweet as pie. I went to pick her up and she just hopped in the trailer. At home she was back to her sweet self. The girl we had bought her from said if we ever wanted to sell, she wanted first chance. So I called her up and told we would sell her but only if she talked to the girl who tried to break her because this girl had a 8 year old daughter and I wanted to be completely up front about this mare. She called back and said she didn't want her so I sent her to another trainer who is really good with problem horses. He couldn't get this mare to do anything wrong. She broke out well and my daughter took her up to chiro school to ride off and on and she was still good. Long story short, this trainer just may not mesh well with your daughter's colt. Try someone else.
and there is this, some have better methods than others. Patience is key, but I expect results. I use a lady now to start mine. Kids and I don't care to hit the ground anymore made me find a trainer. My husband was so against a woman starting our colts because so many of them baby them. Well not this girl. She is so good with them, but she makes them do what she wants or the get their butt worked. Her personality meshes with mine as well. I told her upfront my expectations and that I have had many others not do what I paid them to do. |
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| As far as training goes this is not all that unusual. He is not broke and has never been challenged and maybe a bit spoiled. He needs at least a good 90 days with a very experienced trainer. Someone who is very good at starting Colts and does it all of the time. Someone fair but firm. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2017-02-09 9:41 AM Try another trainer. We had a filly that was just really good minded on the ground. I don't start young horses and this one is well bred so we sent her off to a girl who has started many colts for my sister and is a WPRA and futurity money winner. She called me at the end of the month telling me this mare was dangerous and needed to go to the auction for dog meat. I was really surprised, we had this filly for 2 years and she was sweet as pie. I went to pick her up and she just hopped in the trailer. At home she was back to her sweet self. The girl we had bought her from said if we ever wanted to sell, she wanted first chance. So I called her up and told we would sell her but only if she talked to the girl who tried to break her because this girl had a 8 year old daughter and I wanted to be completely up front about this mare. She called back and said she didn't want her so I sent her to another trainer who is really good with problem horses. He couldn't get this mare to do anything wrong. She broke out well and my daughter took her up to chiro school to ride off and on and she was still good. Long story short, this trainer just may not mesh well with your daughter's colt. Try someone else.
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
THIS ^^^^. Although I do agree that maybe try someone different. However, I'm almost getting the feeling that since he's never had the pressure put on to go to work and simply was "playing around with his human" up to this point, and now being taught that sometimes it isn't just going to be bareback ride in the pasture where he really doesn't have to do anything; he's probably gonna dig his heels in a bit and blow up. Doesn't necessarily mean the horse is dangerous, etc, etc. Just needs to work through it. Any younger colt *may* have a blow up, however, you are right in that if she wants to run barrels this spring, he isn't going to be the horse for her. However, I'd be careful with letting go of a bond like that. Those sometimes only happen once in a lifetime. |
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Location: Missouri | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:38 AM
sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
I would suspect this as well - spoiled and not wanting to be a grown up horse. My daughter had a colt years ago, handled much like described by the OP. Was a jam up showmanship and halter, in hand trail colt as a yearling even. But, we babied him. Once she (we) started actually riding (not just sitting on and goofing), and asking/demanding for more, he got sketchy. Sent him to the trainer, and that colt dang near killed him. While all of the "bonding" and playing had made him dog gentle with her, when pushed he came undone. We sold him amidst a lot of tears. Knowing now what she is capable of (with added years of experience), I wonder if she could have "fixed" him. Not sure I would ever have trusted him though, because when he blew, there was no sense of self-preservation...he was intent on doing harm.
I would try someone else maybe, or if you and your daughter's skill levels are up to the task, try a less "I'm your friend" approach and see if he responds well with you two. Just please, be careful. He is going to have to stop equating humans as his buddies/friends, and see them as his boss. |
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| Thank you all for the replies. I agree that he's been pretty spoiled and it's true he's never had any kind of pressure put on him. So being yanked from his pasture and little girl who loved on him and put into a serious training program probably didn't set well with him and his life long plan of leisure lol! It's early, and my trainer said the colt is very very smart. He's starting him over completely this week. This trainer has been our go to guy for over 10 years, he's very good and extremely quiet and patient and very very honest, we trust him 10000% . I do agree that some horses and people just don't mesh, I get that completely. But I really think he's just throwing a tantrum. And I'm hoping and praying he can get him thru it. If he feels like he cant, he will tell us. It's happened before. He's not throwing on the towel just yet, he was just shocked because he knew my kid had been on him at home several times, even in a saddle. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 9:45 AM
GLP - 2017-02-09 8:41 AM Try another trainer. We had a filly that was just really good minded on the ground. I don't start young horses and this one is well bred so we sent her off to a girl who has started many colts for my sister and is a WPRA and futurity money winner. She called me at the end of the month telling me this mare was dangerous and needed to go to the auction for dog meat. I was really surprised, we had this filly for 2 years and she was sweet as pie. I went to pick her up and she just hopped in the trailer. At home she was back to her sweet self. The girl we had bought her from said if we ever wanted to sell, she wanted first chance. So I called her up and told we would sell her but only if she talked to the girl who tried to break her because this girl had a 8 year old daughter and I wanted to be completely up front about this mare. She called back and said she didn't want her so I sent her to another trainer who is really good with problem horses. He couldn't get this mare to do anything wrong. She broke out well and my daughter took her up to chiro school to ride off and on and she was still good. Long story short, this trainer just may not mesh well with your daughter's colt. Try someone else.
and there is this, some have better methods than others. Patience is key, but I expect results. I use a lady now to start mine. Kids and I don't care to hit the ground anymore made me find a trainer. My husband was so against a woman starting our colts because so many of them baby them. Well not this girl. She is so good with them, but she makes them do what she wants or the get their butt worked. Her personality meshes with mine as well. I told her upfront my expectations and that I have had many others not do what I paid them to do.
True, but this girl had done an amazing job with a stud colt for my sister, they took him to the BFA sale and he did great. However, I did find out she had tied milk jugs with pebbles in them to the stirrups and tried to work the mare this way. Then when she got on her she bucked hard. It has nothing to do with gender, she and the mare just did not click. I want to emphasize that I am not knocking this girl, I just don't think the combination of the 2 was good. I think that maybe this is what is going on with the OP's colt. |
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Location: ND | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse. |
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| SaraJean - 2017-02-09 10:26 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse.
I do agree this could be the case but I am a firm believer in bonding with horses and if he has bonded with her and then thrown into something else where there isn't that bond, it could be a fight or flight type of mentality. Not to say, he shouldn't learn to respect everyone because he should but I think it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks go.
I tend to fiddle with my colts a lot, granted they still have discipline but I have found it usually make them easier to break but again, I have been the one to do it so maybe that is where the disconnect is here. No saying your daughter should be the one breaking him but maybe that's why I have had more positive experiences than others. When you take a colt with a blank slate, barely handled, they learn respect right away without any other expectations. Sounds like he has learned to bond with your daughter and expects bond and trust with his handler which he doesn't have yet with the new trainer.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 10:38 AM
sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
This 100%!!!!
Most ppl actually create monsters. The worst ones are those bottle feed orphans good god I just send them somewhere else.
Its best when the are scratched on the butt a bit fed a treat or two and left out untouched instead of someone spoiling them.
This is one reason I actually prefer one OTT at least you know they aren't spoiled and I'd rather have one flighty with a work ethic. Ones raised by lil girls no offense seriously have no work ethic and just like a spoiled teenager put up a fight when you put them to work.
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| stayceem - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM
SaraJean - 2017-02-09 10:26 AM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse.
I do agree this could be the case but I am a firm believer in bonding with horses and if he has bonded with her and then thrown into something else where there isn't that bond, it could be a fight or flight type of mentality. Not to say, he shouldn't learn to respect everyone because he should but I think it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks go.
I tend to fiddle with my colts a lot, granted they still have discipline but I have found it usually make them easier to break but again, I have been the one to do it so maybe that is where the disconnect is here. No saying your daughter should be the one breaking him but maybe that's why I have had more positive experiences than others. When you take a colt with a blank slate, barely handled, they learn respect right away without any other expectations. Sounds like he has learned to bond with your daughter and expects bond and trust with his handler which he doesn't have yet with the new trainer.
I have a 2 year old, coming 3 I plan to get on this spring. She has been the easiest horse to teach anything to. I hope that continues
If you do not believe this go watch BUCK on netflix he addresses this spoiled issue.
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Location: North Dakota | hmm here's the old school chiming in......I broke and trained my first 3 yr old when I was 12-took him to college with me AND he was an orphan I hand raised-turned out to be a bada$$ too......AND I still don't mind riding colts-taught me a lot-mostly that I really don't trust what too many other people do with their horses. Maybe now is the time for your "kid" to become a horsewoman! With some gentle guidance and probably some trips with trusted friends (of yours) that will help her learn. |
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| astreakinchic - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM
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wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends."
THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse.
I do agree this could be the case but I am a firm believer in bonding with horses and if he has bonded with her and then thrown into something else where there isn't that bond, it could be a fight or flight type of mentality. Not to say, he shouldn't learn to respect everyone because he should but I think it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks go.
I tend to fiddle with my colts a lot, granted they still have discipline but I have found it usually make them easier to break but again, I have been the one to do it so maybe that is where the disconnect is here. No saying your daughter should be the one breaking him but maybe that's why I have had more positive experiences than others. When you take a colt with a blank slate, barely handled, they learn respect right away without any other expectations. Sounds like he has learned to bond with your daughter and expects bond and trust with his handler which he doesn't have yet with the new trainer.
I have a 2 year old, coming 3 I plan to get on this spring. She has been the easiest horse to teach anything to. I hope that continues
If you do not believe this go watch BUCK on netflix he addresses this spoiled issue.
I will check it out.
But my horses are "spoiled" yet have discipline. My colt lunges, saddles, ponies, etc really well and I would already be on her if I had an indoor. My reply was based on my experience. I think there are 1,000,000 ways to train a colt. I have seen some I agree with and some I don't. each person has their own style so that's where I say maybe the style doesn't mesh well with this colt. Or because he has learned more from bonding with his 12 year old and his expectations are different. I am trying to be open minded to help the OP.
As someone who has gotten a few untouched 4 year olds, I don't enjoy that... when you spend the majority of the time fighting over picking feet up, tying, etc. I would rather they be exposed to that stuff early on. |
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| I'm not going to remove the colt from the trainer unless he tells me he can't do anything with him... he's not one to waste his time or my money... he's brutally honest and I appreciate that about him. In the meantime, I think it will do wonders for my daughter to go over and watch him and learn from him... he won't let her on him till he knows for certain he's done throwing tantrums. He's got several nice finished good horses she can ride and work on her horsemanship skills, instead of worrying if the horse is going to pitch... all of these replies make sense, I didn't think he'd be difficult BECAUSE he was so gentle and loving, but it totally makes sense that THAT is the reason he's being a giant turd! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2017-02-09 10:24 AM astreakinchic - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM stayceem - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM SaraJean - 2017-02-09 10:26 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends." THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse. I do agree this could be the case but I am a firm believer in bonding with horses and if he has bonded with her and then thrown into something else where there isn't that bond, it could be a fight or flight type of mentality. Not to say, he shouldn't learn to respect everyone because he should but I think it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks go. I tend to fiddle with my colts a lot, granted they still have discipline but I have found it usually make them easier to break but again, I have been the one to do it so maybe that is where the disconnect is here. No saying your daughter should be the one breaking him but maybe that's why I have had more positive experiences than others. When you take a colt with a blank slate, barely handled, they learn respect right away without any other expectations. Sounds like he has learned to bond with your daughter and expects bond and trust with his handler which he doesn't have yet with the new trainer. I have a 2 year old, coming 3 I plan to get on this spring. She has been the easiest horse to teach anything to. I hope that continues If you do not believe this go watch BUCK on netflix he addresses this spoiled issue. I will check it out. But my horses are "spoiled" yet have discipline. My colt lunges, saddles, ponies, etc really well and I would already be on her if I had an indoor. My reply was based on my experience. I think there are 1,000,000 ways to train a colt. I have seen some I agree with and some I don't. each person has their own style so that's where I say maybe the style doesn't mesh well with this colt. Or because he has learned more from bonding with his 12 year old and his expectations are different. I am trying to be open minded to help the OP. As someone who has gotten a few untouched 4 year olds, I don't enjoy that... when you spend the majority of the time fighting over picking feet up, tying, etc. I would rather they be exposed to that stuff early on.
I have mentioned it on here before that I want 100% given to me in work ethic. A spoiled horse will generally give about 25%. There is a fine line between spoiled and just a great loving relationship. I'm sure we have all had a touch of both. I started my first home raised baby when I was 15. Let me tell you about spoiled! He was so loved he couldn't do anything wrong in my mind. He is 24 now and still just as loved/spoiled, but he is the last horse I ever trained that I let act the way he does and get away with it. I am guilty of giving one a handful of grass and seeing the others eyeing me. In my mind they are conspiring about the unfairness and because I don't want to hit dirt later, I give them all a handful too lol.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 10:30 AM I'm not going to remove the colt from the trainer unless he tells me he can't do anything with him... he's not one to waste his time or my money... he's brutally honest and I appreciate that about him. In the meantime, I think it will do wonders for my daughter to go over and watch him and learn from him... he won't let her on him till he knows for certain he's done throwing tantrums. He's got several nice finished good horses she can ride and work on her horsemanship skills, instead of worrying if the horse is going to pitch... all of these replies make sense, I didn't think he'd be difficult BECAUSE he was so gentle and loving, but it totally makes sense that THAT is the reason he's being a giant turd!
What are his tantrums? Does he buck every time he is saddled? Or every time he is ridden? At the beginning of the lesson or rides nice and then throws a fit later in a ride? Most spoiled ones through their fits early on, and once they figure out it does them no good they are wonderful the rest of the lesson. IMO outlaws are the ones that cheat you later on. Once you have settled in for the ride, they look for an opportunity to pile it to you. Those are hard to get out of it, and these days I won't waste my time on one. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Many people have already said it but I am going to say it in a different way. Some of the horses that have the worst tempers are the gentlest. Frequently they are so easygoing, especially on the ground, that no one thinks to ask them to do anything much. This is particularly true of young horses. So when they are pushed a bit they explode. It surprises a lot of people. Usually if you can get through the explosion, and you need a pretty salty trainer expecting that sort of thing, they will line on out. But gentle horses frequently have tempers. We handle our foals a bunch so they can do the basics like be caught, tied up, load in a trailer, give them a bath, and blanket them, but they spend a whole bunch of time just in the pasture out with other horses not being overly messed with for that reason. In fact, I have one right now that is 'too gentle.' She's a sweet mare, loves people but doesn't have much respect for space. So we are working on going out to the pasture and chasing her away from us quite a bit. She only gets to come to us when invited. I have increased her respect for space and people quite a bit in the last couple weeks but I had to do it by wacking her pretty good on the butt and shoulder with a sorting stick. I've been doing the same thing with my hands and a bucket at feeding time. She will still come up to you for scratches but only when you have held your hand out to her and approached slowly at a certain distance. This is a healthy attitude to have in a horse because they are easy to correct. I want a horse with some respect. They get desensitized by being exposed to the right stimuli in the right environment. If you have have them overly desensitized young, when they are suddenly exposed to new much new they don't know how to handle all of it at once. A bit of appropriate level fear/respect in them actually helps them learn faster. I like having my hands on them too much early to let them completely alone until they are yearlings or two year olds. All of ours are pretty easy to handle but most of them aren't monsters at the trainer because we still instill respect. I have actually gotten to where I don't always trust one that is really gentle young. I work hard in those to support their love of people with scratches and some attention but we also make them work and do things they don't want to do and instill respect so their lives are a little easier down the road. |
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| oija - 2017-02-09 12:55 PM
Many people have already said it but I am going to say it in a different way. Some of the horses that have the worst tempers are the gentlest. Frequently they are so easygoing, especially on the ground, that no one thinks to ask them to do anything much. This is particularly true of young horses. So when they are pushed a bit they explode. It surprises a lot of people. Usually if you can get through the explosion, and you need a pretty salty trainer expecting that sort of thing, they will line on out. But gentle horses frequently have tempers. We handle our foals a bunch so they can do the basics like be caught, tied up, load in a trailer, give them a bath, and blanket them, but they spend a whole bunch of time just in the pasture out with other horses not being overly messed with for that reason. In fact, I have one right now that is 'too gentle.' She's a sweet mare, loves people but doesn't have much respect for space. So we are working on going out to the pasture and chasing her away from us quite a bit. She only gets to come to us when invited. I have increased her respect for space and people quite a bit in the last couple weeks but I had to do it by wacking her pretty good on the butt and shoulder with a sorting stick. I've been doing the same thing with my hands and a bucket at feeding time. She will still come up to you for scratches but only when you have held your hand out to her and approached slowly at a certain distance. This is a healthy attitude to have in a horse because they are easy to correct. I want a horse with some respect. They get desensitized by being exposed to the right stimuli in the right environment. If you have have them overly desensitized young, when they are suddenly exposed to new much new they don't know how to handle all of it at once. A bit of appropriate level fear/respect in them actually helps them learn faster. I like having my hands on them too much early to let them completely alone until they are yearlings or two year olds. All of ours are pretty easy to handle but most of them aren't monsters at the trainer because we still instill respect. I have actually gotten to where I don't always trust one that is really gentle young. I work hard in those to support their love of people with scratches and some attention but we also make them work and do things they don't want to do and instill respect so their lives are a little easier down the road.
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Location: Alabama | LMS - 2017-02-09 11:02 AM
hmm here's the old school chiming in......I broke and trained my first 3 yr old when I was 12-took him to college with me AND he was an orphan I hand raised-turned out to be a bada$$ too......AND I still don't mind riding colts-taught me a lot-mostly that I really don't trust what too many other people do with their horses. Maybe now is the time for your "kid" to become a horsewoman! With some gentle guidance and probably some trips with trusted friends (of yours ) that will help her learn.
This. I would bring the colt home. Strap a helmet on the kid. Show her some training vids, and let them figure it out. If it goes south ditch the colt. They just might surprise you and the trainer.
I did pretty much the same. Raised a colt up from 6 months old. Broke and trained him myself. I did the whole bare back in a halter stuff too. Saddled and rode off the first time when he was 21 months old. He is now a nice older teenager in Mo loving life and taking great care of a nice lady and her kids. One time I put a man on him with a "you're going to do what I say" mentality. ( My grandpa needed a few more points to win a year end saddle.) SMH Let's just say it did not go well. I however could ride that gelding to hell and back without so much as a single balk. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 11:47 AM
stayceem - 2017-02-09 10:24 AM astreakinchic - 2017-02-09 10:57 AM stayceem - 2017-02-09 11:42 AM SaraJean - 2017-02-09 10:26 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 8:38 AM sounds to me like a horse that is loved and somewhat spoiled by a kid just playing around with it-hear me out here. Then a trainer takes said colt and makes him work and do things that are expected NOW and not when the colt feels like it. I started colts and got several this way. Trust me, a 3 yr old untouched horse will buck less than one that is played with daily, saddled etc from day one, but never MADE to do anything. I bet the colt comes out of it, all the ones I worked with did. I had a colt I raised that I wanted to keep from that colt crop, so I halter broke all the others that were sold first. I rope them to halter break. All this time I could play with my colt, he would follow me anywhere and even pick up feet. He loved me. Until the day it was time to officially halter break him. I roped him and the look on his face was utter shock. I had apparenty broken some truce we had. He got over it in a quick hurry but he had the biggest fit about being tied etc than any of the others that I just worked with like we weren't the "best of friends." THIS!!!!!!! There is such a huge difference in a horse letting you play with them and real true training where they are told what to do & when to do it. It's perfectly normal for a horse that is a bit spoiled & a pet to not take kindly to training. Heck, I've got a couple in my own barn! I've got over 15 years experience starting colts......have a couple very special fillies that I raised, both are a touch on the spoiled side & both threw dang good fits over the start of real training.
It sounds like you know the trainer you're using pretty well. Give him some time and see how things go. But jumping to a different trainer after he's only had the horse a week doesn't make sense at all. One thing to consider is that the colt may be stressed from moving to a new barn & being away from his girl. When I was training a lot I gave most of the colts either miracle clay or redmond daily gold to buffer their stomachs for the first week or so.
Now your daughter.....she's 12....there is no way in hell I would allow her to be doing the training on this colt if the trainer feels he's that rank. Yes, he's fine with her walking around on him but all hell could break loose the first time she really kicks him or TELLS him to do something. And reality is she's just a little girl, while she's probably a good rider she doesn't have the years of experience it takes to know what to do when problems arise. It's not worth the risk, if something happens it could ruin her love of horses or much worse. Regardless of what she wants, you are the parent & it's your decision what happens with this horse. I do agree this could be the case but I am a firm believer in bonding with horses and if he has bonded with her and then thrown into something else where there isn't that bond, it could be a fight or flight type of mentality. Not to say, he shouldn't learn to respect everyone because he should but I think it will be interesting to see how the next couple weeks go. I tend to fiddle with my colts a lot, granted they still have discipline but I have found it usually make them easier to break but again, I have been the one to do it so maybe that is where the disconnect is here. No saying your daughter should be the one breaking him but maybe that's why I have had more positive experiences than others. When you take a colt with a blank slate, barely handled, they learn respect right away without any other expectations. Sounds like he has learned to bond with your daughter and expects bond and trust with his handler which he doesn't have yet with the new trainer. I have a 2 year old, coming 3 I plan to get on this spring. She has been the easiest horse to teach anything to. I hope that continues If you do not believe this go watch BUCK on netflix he addresses this spoiled issue. I will check it out. But my horses are "spoiled" yet have discipline. My colt lunges, saddles, ponies, etc really well and I would already be on her if I had an indoor. My reply was based on my experience. I think there are 1,000,000 ways to train a colt. I have seen some I agree with and some I don't. each person has their own style so that's where I say maybe the style doesn't mesh well with this colt. Or because he has learned more from bonding with his 12 year old and his expectations are different. I am trying to be open minded to help the OP. As someone who has gotten a few untouched 4 year olds, I don't enjoy that... when you spend the majority of the time fighting over picking feet up, tying, etc. I would rather they be exposed to that stuff early on.
I have mentioned it on here before that I want 100% given to me in work ethic. A spoiled horse will generally give about 25%. There is a fine line between spoiled and just a great loving relationship. I'm sure we have all had a touch of both. I started my first home raised baby when I was 15. Let me tell you about spoiled! He was so loved he couldn't do anything wrong in my mind. He is 24 now and still just as loved/spoiled, but he is the last horse I ever trained that I let act the way he does and get away with it. I am guilty of giving one a handful of grass and seeing the others eyeing me. In my mind they are conspiring about the unfairness and because I don't want to hit dirt later, I give them all a handful too lol.
Ya know, this is a good point. The 2 4 year olds I have fought with the most are ones I have purchased at 4 supposedly with the basics done but when asked to do these things they were just DINKS and I automatically assumed they had not been handled as they said. Both later I suspected they ruled the roast with their past owners and never really thought about it until now.
And I guess maybe my definition of spoiled isn't the same as many of yours. Because the ones I have had from the start were my kind of spoiled and broke out easily. Its the ones I don't know all their history that were the toughest. But my horses when I say spoiled, they are brought in and brushed, pick their feet out, blanketed, manes braided, etc. Just messing with them. So they are friendly in the pasture but they are respectful still.
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 11:50 AM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 10:30 AM I'm not going to remove the colt from the trainer unless he tells me he can't do anything with him... he's not one to waste his time or my money... he's brutally honest and I appreciate that about him. In the meantime, I think it will do wonders for my daughter to go over and watch him and learn from him... he won't let her on him till he knows for certain he's done throwing tantrums. He's got several nice finished good horses she can ride and work on her horsemanship skills, instead of worrying if the horse is going to pitch... all of these replies make sense, I didn't think he'd be difficult BECAUSE he was so gentle and loving, but it totally makes sense that THAT is the reason he's being a giant turd!
What are his tantrums? Does he buck every time he is saddled? Or every time he is ridden? At the beginning of the lesson or rides nice and then throws a fit later in a ride? Most spoiled ones through their fits early on, and once they figure out it does them no good they are wonderful the rest of the lesson. IMO outlaws are the ones that cheat you later on. Once you have settled in for the ride, they look for an opportunity to pile it to you. Those are hard to get out of it, and these days I won't waste my time on one.
From what he told me, he worked him on the ground first in the round pen, saddled him, ground drove him some, my daughter did that a lot with him, so he was going great, he went to step on him and he just exploded... he stayed with him and rode it out and he mellowed out a little but when it was time to move forward and stay on the rail instead of just wandering wherever he chose, he exploded again... he stayed with him and rode thru it... it seems like whenever he puts a little pressure on him to do things a certain way he gets to throwing bucking fits... good thing is he didn't buck him off so he's basically learning he can't get his rider off by bucking... he's never had a rider try to mount from the ground, my daughter would push him over to the fence and just plop on his back... so who knows if that what set him off first... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Exactly lol, even my spoiled old guy is safe, but he likes to pin his ears for no reason. Scares everyone else, but I just tell him to knock it off and he quits. He's one of those with a BIG personality though. I love him and his nasty ears with all my heart.
I mean spoiled as in nippy, run you over if they want out a gate you are opening, kick at you. No respect for your personal space because in their mind they are the boss and you are their minion. Scared and wild horses are usually easier to bring around than one that has been mauled by humans and allowed to do the same back. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 11:44 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 11:50 AM want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 10:30 AM I'm not going to remove the colt from the trainer unless he tells me he can't do anything with him... he's not one to waste his time or my money... he's brutally honest and I appreciate that about him. In the meantime, I think it will do wonders for my daughter to go over and watch him and learn from him... he won't let her on him till he knows for certain he's done throwing tantrums. He's got several nice finished good horses she can ride and work on her horsemanship skills, instead of worrying if the horse is going to pitch... all of these replies make sense, I didn't think he'd be difficult BECAUSE he was so gentle and loving, but it totally makes sense that THAT is the reason he's being a giant turd! What are his tantrums? Does he buck every time he is saddled? Or every time he is ridden? At the beginning of the lesson or rides nice and then throws a fit later in a ride? Most spoiled ones through their fits early on, and once they figure out it does them no good they are wonderful the rest of the lesson. IMO outlaws are the ones that cheat you later on. Once you have settled in for the ride, they look for an opportunity to pile it to you. Those are hard to get out of it, and these days I won't waste my time on one. From what he told me, he worked him on the ground first in the round pen, saddled him, ground drove him some, my daughter did that a lot with him, so he was going great, he went to step on him and he just exploded... he stayed with him and rode it out and he mellowed out a little but when it was time to move forward and stay on the rail instead of just wandering wherever he chose, he exploded again... he stayed with him and rode thru it... it seems like whenever he puts a little pressure on him to do things a certain way he gets to throwing bucking fits... good thing is he didn't buck him off so he's basically learning he can't get his rider off by bucking... he's never had a rider try to mount from the ground, my daughter would push him over to the fence and just plop on his back... so who knows if that what set him off first...
That makes a lot of sense actually, the horse is learning to do things that weren't his idea. Best part, like you said, is he isn't getting the rider off. I wouldn't give up on the horse/trainer combo just yet. Does he ride daily? Daily wet saddle pads and a tired horse will do wonders for that attitude. When I had one like this, I tried to quit being a friend because the horse didn't deserve it. Just worked on respect and showing them they have a job to do like it or not. Then once they are trustworthy and settle in, they start getting treated like the partner they are. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 12:46 PM
Exactly lol, even my spoiled old guy is safe, but he likes to pin his ears for no reason. Scares everyone else, but I just tell him to knock it off and he quits. He's one of those with a BIG personality though. I love him and his nasty ears with all my heart.
I mean spoiled as in nippy, run you over if they want out a gate you are opening, kick at you. No respect for your personal space because in their mind they are the boss and you are their minion. Scared and wild horses are usually easier to bring around than one that has been mauled by humans and allowed to do the same back.
Totally understand now. I have never allowed "bratty" behavior so when I got some of these with that behavior, I just assumed they weren't handled when in actuality they were handled but in the wrong way. Just never thought about it beyond "crap this thing is an a...hole."
My coming 3 year old can get nosey, not nippy but nosey and she gets put in her place. Anyone else have just a starving 2/3 year old? LOL I cannot feed that thing enough!!!!! She scarfes her food down to go and try and eat the others food, rarely leaves the roundbale. I feel like I am raising a teenage boy (sorry I went a little OT HAHA) Just to add, she is not missing any meals but I do think she is growing. |
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Location: Texas | In the past, I didn't do much with my babies. I halter broke them and left them alone. Fast forward, I moved to a smaller place and kept one mare, who foaled here. The neighbor kids played with that baby all the time. She was rotten.
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My three girls all high school rodeoed, bought the 13 year old a horse that although when trying him they seemed to click but it went downhill quick. He was gougeous and flawless at home but high strung when you entered. We had the conversation that if she wanted to compete she's going to have to sell him and we would keep looking. My 14-year-old who had never been on him, said she wanted to try him and she would trade horses if she liked him. She was sitting at the top in her division and I told her she could do that but that meant she wouldn't be able to compete hard because the horse wasn't mentally ready for the arena, she said she didn't care she wanted to get on him. She made a flawless run at home, turned that third barrel and she had a smile from ear to ear and I knew it was a done deal. I emphasized again that she was giving up winning and she said she didn't care she was willing to wait on him. They switched horses, the 13 year old started winning again while the 14 year old took it slow and easy. She learned so much from working with that horse and I was proud of her that for her it wasn't just about winning. Sounds like your daughter might feel the same way. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | stayceem - 2017-02-09 11:58 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 12:46 PM Exactly lol, even my spoiled old guy is safe, but he likes to pin his ears for no reason. Scares everyone else, but I just tell him to knock it off and he quits. He's one of those with a BIG personality though. I love him and his nasty ears with all my heart.
I mean spoiled as in nippy, run you over if they want out a gate you are opening, kick at you. No respect for your personal space because in their mind they are the boss and you are their minion. Scared and wild horses are usually easier to bring around than one that has been mauled by humans and allowed to do the same back. Totally understand now. I have never allowed "bratty" behavior so when I got some of these with that behavior, I just assumed they weren't handled when in actuality they were handled but in the wrong way. Just never thought about it beyond "crap this thing is an a...hole." My coming 3 year old can get nosey, not nippy but nosey and she gets put in her place. Anyone else have just a starving 2/3 year old? LOL I cannot feed that thing enough!!!!! She scarfes her food down to go and try and eat the others food, rarely leaves the roundbale. I feel like I am raising a teenage boy (sorry I went a little OT HAHA ) Just to add, she is not missing any meals but I do think she is growing.
YES!!!! My show horse. He also smacks me at least once a week with his huge head. personal space is a real issue with him and he is probably 1300-1400 lbs and 16.3 and 3/4's lol. He gets popped on the cheek every time he smacks me and I have no idea how he does it! I'm barely over 5' tall. He's all up there and I'm all down here. I am not a treat giver but he gets some occasionally. I blame that on him always in my bubble. But like you said, this horse can eat and eat and eat. Then when I let him out of his stall in the morning, he goes around to every other feeder to see if he can scavange something. Then stares at me like he is cheated out of a snack. He has hay in front of him at all times. At the shows I feed at least twice as much as everyone I know. I would think he has worms but he is on a great deworming schedule and very healthy. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 12:50 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 11:44 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 11:50 AM want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 10:30 AM I'm not going to remove the colt from the trainer unless he tells me he can't do anything with him... he's not one to waste his time or my money... he's brutally honest and I appreciate that about him. In the meantime, I think it will do wonders for my daughter to go over and watch him and learn from him... he won't let her on him till he knows for certain he's done throwing tantrums. He's got several nice finished good horses she can ride and work on her horsemanship skills, instead of worrying if the horse is going to pitch... all of these replies make sense, I didn't think he'd be difficult BECAUSE he was so gentle and loving, but it totally makes sense that THAT is the reason he's being a giant turd! What are his tantrums? Does he buck every time he is saddled? Or every time he is ridden? At the beginning of the lesson or rides nice and then throws a fit later in a ride? Most spoiled ones through their fits early on, and once they figure out it does them no good they are wonderful the rest of the lesson. IMO outlaws are the ones that cheat you later on. Once you have settled in for the ride, they look for an opportunity to pile it to you. Those are hard to get out of it, and these days I won't waste my time on one. From what he told me, he worked him on the ground first in the round pen, saddled him, ground drove him some, my daughter did that a lot with him, so he was going great, he went to step on him and he just exploded... he stayed with him and rode it out and he mellowed out a little but when it was time to move forward and stay on the rail instead of just wandering wherever he chose, he exploded again... he stayed with him and rode thru it... it seems like whenever he puts a little pressure on him to do things a certain way he gets to throwing bucking fits... good thing is he didn't buck him off so he's basically learning he can't get his rider off by bucking... he's never had a rider try to mount from the ground, my daughter would push him over to the fence and just plop on his back... so who knows if that what set him off first...
Oh yes, he will be ridden daily definitely. Lots and lots of riding, exposure to all kinds of stuff, he's trains everything from drafts to show jumpers, to roping and barrel horses, even seen some gaited horses out there. He always says the scariest part of his pen is where he keeps his roping steers penned up lol. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 1:18 PM
stayceem - 2017-02-09 11:58 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-09 12:46 PM Exactly lol, even my spoiled old guy is safe, but he likes to pin his ears for no reason. Scares everyone else, but I just tell him to knock it off and he quits. He's one of those with a BIG personality though. I love him and his nasty ears with all my heart.
I mean spoiled as in nippy, run you over if they want out a gate you are opening, kick at you. No respect for your personal space because in their mind they are the boss and you are their minion. Scared and wild horses are usually easier to bring around than one that has been mauled by humans and allowed to do the same back. Totally understand now. I have never allowed "bratty" behavior so when I got some of these with that behavior, I just assumed they weren't handled when in actuality they were handled but in the wrong way. Just never thought about it beyond "crap this thing is an a...hole." My coming 3 year old can get nosey, not nippy but nosey and she gets put in her place. Anyone else have just a starving 2/3 year old? LOL I cannot feed that thing enough!!!!! She scarfes her food down to go and try and eat the others food, rarely leaves the roundbale. I feel like I am raising a teenage boy (sorry I went a little OT HAHA ) Just to add, she is not missing any meals but I do think she is growing.
Glad I am not the only one then!!!
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| CanCan - 2017-02-09 1:21 PM
Go get your horse. Today.
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| rodeomom3 - 2017-02-09 1:14 PM
I agree with the above. I bought a 5 year old last April that was very patterned but did not know how to lope a circle, flex, etc. No foundation work was done at all. He has a huge personality, in your pocket, sweet, sweet, sweet so I bought him despite his lack of training. I immediately sent him to my trainer for a few months to get the necessary work done on him and boy did he get ****y! He loves running barrels so he is a happy camper there but ask him to flex or do a drill that makes him collect and use himself and he would pin his ears and go backwards, he had never been asked to really work at anything and he did not like it one bit. He came home with a different attitude and all the foundation work done but still my fun loving goof ball. I would not give up on the colt, with the trainers guidance what a great opportunity to learn.
My three girls all high school rodeoed, bought the 13 year old a horse that although when trying him they seemed to click but it went downhill quick. He was gougeous and flawless at home but high strung when you entered. We had the conversation that if she wanted to compete she's going to have to sell him and we would keep looking. My 14-year-old who had never been on him, said she wanted to try him and she would trade horses if she liked him. She was sitting at the top in her division and I told her she could do that but that meant she wouldn't be able to compete hard because the horse wasn't mentally ready for the arena, she said she didn't care she wanted to get on him. She made a flawless run at home, turned that third barrel and she had a smile from ear to ear and I knew it was a done deal. I emphasized again that she was giving up winning and she said she didn't care she was willing to wait on him. They switched horses, the 13 year old started winning again while the 14 year old took it slow and easy. She learned so much from working with that horse and I was proud of her that for her it wasn't just about winning. Sounds like your daughter might feel the same way.
Wow and there was no jealousy between your daughters? My goodness that's impressive! I've got a 16 yr old step daughter who doesn't technically have a horse right now, she doesn't live with us full time... but if I even suggested to my daughter to let her "sister" ride him instead because she's got way more experience and time in the saddle, I'd be in the middle of a $hit storm! I'm short a horse though.. |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-02-09 2:04 PM rodeomom3 - 2017-02-09 1:14 PM I agree with the above. I bought a 5 year old last April that was very patterned but did not know how to lope a circle, flex, etc. No foundation work was done at all. He has a huge personality, in your pocket, sweet, sweet, sweet so I bought him despite his lack of training. I immediately sent him to my trainer for a few months to get the necessary work done on him and boy did he get ****y! He loves running barrels so he is a happy camper there but ask him to flex or do a drill that makes him collect and use himself and he would pin his ears and go backwards, he had never been asked to really work at anything and he did not like it one bit. He came home with a different attitude and all the foundation work done but still my fun loving goof ball. I would not give up on the colt, with the trainers guidance what a great opportunity to learn.
My three girls all high school rodeoed, bought the 13 year old a horse that although when trying him they seemed to click but it went downhill quick. He was gougeous and flawless at home but high strung when you entered. We had the conversation that if she wanted to compete she's going to have to sell him and we would keep looking. My 14-year-old who had never been on him, said she wanted to try him and she would trade horses if she liked him. She was sitting at the top in her division and I told her she could do that but that meant she wouldn't be able to compete hard because the horse wasn't mentally ready for the arena, she said she didn't care she wanted to get on him. She made a flawless run at home, turned that third barrel and she had a smile from ear to ear and I knew it was a done deal. I emphasized again that she was giving up winning and she said she didn't care she was willing to wait on him. They switched horses, the 13 year old started winning again while the 14 year old took it slow and easy. She learned so much from working with that horse and I was proud of her that for her it wasn't just about winning. Sounds like your daughter might feel the same way. Wow and there was no jealousy between your daughters? My goodness that's impressive! I've got a 16 yr old step daughter who doesn't technically have a horse right now, she doesn't live with us full time... but if I even suggested to my daughter to let her "sister" ride him instead because she's got way more experience and time in the saddle, I'd be in the middle of a $hit storm! I'm short a horse though..
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| There's also a huge part of me that feels bad because we've never been able to buy this kid a really nice finished competitive horse... I mean, I'd have never ever bought her this colt, #1 because he's a colt, #2 we probably wouldnt have ever been able to afford him otherwise! I'm really hoping he comes around and is a superstar for her... she has huge plans for him. The horse she's been riding is a rescue horse we saved several years ago, tied to tree starving to death... we brought him back up to health, she worked with him and patterned him and went to a few races... he's just not a barrel horse lol! He has no interest in it whatsoever and he's getting up in age. There's some saddle and buckle series shows coming up soon out here and majority of her friends from school are pretty competitive and she wants to be part of it so bad. She understands it's not going to happen this year. |
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| I didn't read through everyone's responses but my dad had a mare he raised from a baby that was really nice. He started her and then He sent her off to a friend of his to put some riding on and start tracking some steers. A few days later he called and said that he saddled her and she flipped in the barn alley. My dad went and picked her up and brought her home and re-started her. He has owned her for about 17 years now and she has never made a wrong move. She runs barrels and poles, heads, heels, and my daughter breakaway ropes on her. Sometimes something sets them off and they have a bad episode. Even in reputable hands. I certainly wouldn't bring her home and let your daughter work with him but you may want to bring him home, give him a break and then start over or send him to someone else to see what they can do with him.
But the younger the rider, the older the horse, so you may want to go with a finished horse for her whether you keep him or not.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | A good friend of mine got a little horse for her daughter and as long as he was not saddled and either had no bridle or just a halter on he was awesome for her. She could crawl up the fence and he would come over. She'd hop on him bareback no halter and he'd meander around the large pen with her. She was 5 I think when they got him...however, put a saddle on him and give him the opportunity, ie, not being ponied or led on foot and the little turd would either balk and refuse to move or look for an open gate to run towards. Perfect gentleman with her as long as what they were doing was his idea.
I second maybe giving this trainer a few more weeks, checking in physically and seeing if maybe its a issue with just not being a good fit and then making a decision on whether a different trainer could help. CC was a bit like what you are talking about with your daughter's horse. She was good to start right up to the time I actually kind of started to really ask her for a few things and typically this happened at about the 30 minute mark. Her ADHD would set in, she was done "listening and doing" what I wanted and she'd try to bolt, if she couldn't bolt then she would break in two. First horse I've ever had to send out but she definitely needed something I didn't have...NFR bronc riding skills and patience I guess.
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| LMS - 2017-02-09 11:02 AM hmm here's the old school chiming in......I broke and trained my first 3 yr old when I was 12-took him to college with me AND he was an orphan I hand raised-turned out to be a bada$$ too......AND I still don't mind riding colts-taught me a lot-mostly that I really don't trust what too many other people do with their horses. Maybe now is the time for your "kid" to become a horsewoman! With some gentle guidance and probably some trips with trusted friends (of yours ) that will help her learn.
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| She was the only one to ride him at this point. He also worked livestock for a living during this time. Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped. He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
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| kmcsunshine - 2017-02-09 7:25 PM
She was the only one to ride him at this point. He also worked livestock for a living during this time. Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped. He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl4nP9nL3mA
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Location: Arkansas | kmcsunshine - 2017-02-09 7:25 PM
She was the only one to ride him at this point. He also worked livestock for a living during this time. Sadly due to a suspensory issue he did not compete at the level we had hoped. He lost an eye last year and was still reserve champion in our local novice class...and they went to the minimum amount of races.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl4nP9nL3mA
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| He may be adapting to the loss of his eye, was 2nd in the 2D last night with legitimate 1D horses.
http://www.instagram.com/p/BQVOUOYFULr/
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
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| run n rate - 2017-02-10 9:56 AM
Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
Ain't that the truth!!!
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-10 10:04 AM
run n rate - 2017-02-10 9:56 AM
Kaye - 2017-02-10 7:28 PM
From what you say; your trainer sounds competent, and your daughters sounds like she is in love. I wouldn't even think negatively about it until the horse has had a good chance. Everyone loves a good story and sometimes we need a little faith to have a happy ending.
Ain't that the truth!!!
Agreed 100%! Going to stop by and check in on him today
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| We did drop by. He said he was getting "better"..he hasn't stepped back on him yet... has been mostly ground driving him trying to make sure he can get ahold of his face and turn him easily when he decides he's had enough and tries to bolt and buck because he's not getting his way. Doesn't want this horse to learn that he can buck off his rider. He said he'll get it soon he's made improvements. But seems like any little nit picking and he wants to blow up. He also voiced his opinion that he thinks this colt is very very smart and with his breeding he's going to need some serious jobs, will never make a laid back pasture/trail horse.. meaning you couldn't leave him sit for a few weeks or months and jump on and expect him to be calm and easy. He also said he's kind of aggressive which completely blows my mind... but I guess I only witnessed him here at home when he wasn't being trained on.
He's going to stay there for 60 days, as of now that's our plan and what we can afford, reevaluate... and then let him come home for a few months and let my daughter work with him, she will be learning from our trainer what to do etc etc. . Then we are thinking on sending him down the road to another trainer we know, he's a big cutting trainer... this colt is all cutting bred. This is all up in the air right now... all depending on how the next few months go with him. |
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| Haven't read any replies but have her take lessons with the horse and her be the rider! Awesome they have such a great bond |
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| A few from when he was first brought up from the pasture with the others. Just a few days in being handled he took right to it with her.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | how is he bred? Sounds like a Duel Pep...
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| Haven't heard much last few days. We have gotten slammed with rain so I'm sure it'll be a few more days before he can get back out there to mess with him. The last thing he said was that if this horse doesn't want to do something, he won't! |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 8:24 PM
Haven't heard much last few days. We have gotten slammed with rain so I'm sure it'll be a few more days before he can get back out there to mess with him. The last thing he said was that if this horse doesn't want to do something, he won't!
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| jake16 - 2017-02-14 7:32 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 8:24 PM
Haven't heard much last few days. We have gotten slammed with rain so I'm sure it'll be a few more days before he can get back out there to mess with him. The last thing he said was that if this horse doesn't want to do something, he won't!
Ugh!!!!!Hopefully he can get the horse to change his mind lol
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 7:42 PM
jake16 - 2017-02-14 7:32 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-14 8:24 PM
Haven't heard much last few days. We have gotten slammed with rain so I'm sure it'll be a few more days before he can get back out there to mess with him. The last thing he said was that if this horse doesn't want to do something, he won't!
Ugh!!!!!Hopefully he can get the horse to change his mind lol
I've seen him work miracles before lol!
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-14 9:03 PM
I think you need to send the other horse to him too..
Lol! If I could afford it, I would. Also, he's old and I'm not sure I'd want to spend the money on that. Trust me, we are all hoping and praying that colt comes around and will be her main mount. The old man won't ever be sold. We rescued him from an awful situation.. 1 good thing I can say about him is he's an amazing trail horse, literally bomb proof on trails, goes thru anything. He just acts like a turd at the barn or trailer when he has to leave the others. Afraid I'm stuck with him till the end... if anything he's a good traveling buddy for the others, if needed. |
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| Went to drop off some feed to him today and check in. Wonderful update! He finally had a breakthrough with the colt! He said he's really coming around and he's confident he's going to make a horse. My daughter will be going over in another month to start working with him along side the trainer.. he's really starting to like him and was full of compliments. He's gotten a few people that wanted to know if he was for sale so at least we know if he doesn't work out for my kid he's marketable lol!
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| I didn't read all the replies, so sorry if this has been said or discussed already. But why not give the colt back to your daughter to train? Her and the colt have a bond. I seriously doubt the man that gave him to your daughter expected you to dump the colt if a trainer couldn't get by him.
I gave my daughter a colt when she was 12. She did a darn good job breaking and training him. Sure it took longer than if a professional would have done it. But she DID get the job done and taught herself a lot.
The colt was given to her and she wants to keep it. I say bring it home and let her figure it out. I'm not sure that's it's really your place to dump it if this trainer tells you to given how you acquired him and the fact your daughter has never had a problem. JMHO
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-02-18 3:57 PM Went to drop off some feed to him today and check in. Wonderful update! He finally had a breakthrough with the colt! He said he's really coming around and he's confident he's going to make a horse. My daughter will be going over in another month to start working with him along side the trainer.. he's really starting to like him and was full of compliments. He's gotten a few people that wanted to know if he was for sale so at least we know if he doesn't work out for my kid he's marketable lol!
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| SKM - 2017-02-18 3:08 PM
I didn't read all the replies, so sorry if this has been said or discussed already. But why not give the colt back to your daughter to train? Her and the colt have a bond. I seriously doubt the man that gave him to your daughter expected you to dump the colt if a trainer couldn't get by him.
I gave my daughter a colt when she was 12. She did a darn good job breaking and training him. Sure it took longer than if a professional would have done it. But she DID get the job done and taught herself a lot.
The colt was given to her and she wants to keep it. I say bring it home and let her figure it out. I'm not sure that's it's really your place to dump it if this trainer tells you to given how you acquired him and the fact your daughter has never had a problem. JMHO
My daughter doesn't have the confidence or want to, to train him. I also don't have the facilities to train him. We only have pastures no round pen, no arena. She will be working with the trainer soon so she can continue to work on him when he comes home. I know for a fact, this colt is in the right hands right now. He's learning respect and he's learning he's not the boss! I'm excited for their future together |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2017-02-18 2:57 PM Went to drop off some feed to him today and check in. Wonderful update! He finally had a breakthrough with the colt! He said he's really coming around and he's confident he's going to make a horse. My daughter will be going over in another month to start working with him along side the trainer.. he's really starting to like him and was full of compliments. He's gotten a few people that wanted to know if he was for sale so at least we know if he doesn't work out for my kid he's marketable lol!
Hes sure is a pretty little fella, glad the guy sees a difference in him. Is this picture taken at the trainers place? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-18 3:24 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-02-18 2:57 PM Went to drop off some feed to him today and check in. Wonderful update! He finally had a breakthrough with the colt! He said he's really coming around and he's confident he's going to make a horse. My daughter will be going over in another month to start working with him along side the trainer.. he's really starting to like him and was full of compliments. He's gotten a few people that wanted to know if he was for sale so at least we know if he doesn't work out for my kid he's marketable lol!
Hes sure is a pretty little fella, glad the guy sees a difference in him. Is this picture taken at the trainers place?
Thanks! No, this is my place before we took him to the trainers . |
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| jake16 - 2017-02-18 9:37 PM
What are his bloodlines?He's a pretty boy:)
I had to go pull his papers out. He's a peptospoonful. His registered name is Major spoonful (I've got to send his papers in still and do the transfer) my trainer said he's very athletic and extremely fast! I knew he was fast, watching him run in the pasture. |
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| FANTASTIC UPDATE! I took my daughter over today so she could start riding with our trainer. He rode her colt, he's doing AMAZING! He said he's going really well and I was able to watch him ride him... I cannot believe it's the same horse... he said he hadn't tried anymore funny stuff since that day. He told me he's going to be super nice. We decided another 30 days and she's continuing going over there to ride with him and learn the fancy buttons he's putting on her colt... so yay! I'm so glad he's coming around.. very exciting! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | want2chase3 - 2017-03-15 2:53 PM FANTASTIC UPDATE! I took my daughter over today so she could start riding with our trainer. He rode her colt, he's doing AMAZING! He said he's going really well and I was able to watch him ride him... I cannot believe it's the same horse... he said he hadn't tried anymore funny stuff since that day. He told me he's going to be super nice. We decided another 30 days and she's continuing going over there to ride with him and learn the fancy buttons he's putting on her colt... so yay! I'm so glad he's coming around.. very exciting!
I told you those babied babies are sour pusses at first, but usually really come around. Love this update |
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| She went and spent the day with the trainer again today... when I went to pick her up, he pulled me aside, he said her riding is "ok" but he's really worried about her hands and how she handles the horses mouth... he's huge on being soft! He gets the horses super light in the mouth, rides more off leg pressure than anything... I'm concerned too... she comes home and gets on the old guy and I just see her old habits kick in... like she's not taken anything he's taught her in the last few days... I talked to her and she just said she was really disappointed in herself today because of her hands... how can I help her? I use to have heavy hands as well... and I rode with this same trainer and he got me out of it... I'm very aware of my hands now.. I told her if she didn't understand what he's trying to teach her to ASK! He's great with the kids ... it just doesn't seem to be registering with her. Right now she's riding his "lesson horse" who's very forgiving ... |
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| GLP - 2017-03-16 6:46 PM
Be with her when she rides and just calmly and quietly tell her hands or something like that to remind her to lighten up. Sometimes it takes a while especially with kids. It can be really intimidating to know you are not as skilled as your trainer but want to do good really bad.
I have tried countless times to ride with her at home. .. she gets mad at me when I try and tell her something! She thinks I'm picking on her and gets frustrated... I know she watches me, I've caught her mimicking my drills.... without her knowing I'm watching lol! She's too prideful to ask me for help. |
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| Lunge line time! Have him put her on the lesson horse and work with no reins for a while.
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| jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PM
I've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse.
I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic . |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-03-16 8:09 PM
jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PM
I've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse.
I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic .
I'll probably get a slam (not from you) but she's 12 correct? You are the mom,this is a young colt that is going to need CONSISTANT CARE AND RIDING.If she doesn't want to commit to that,you will have to come to terms with a different possibility.You are paying the trainer and paying to care for the horses needs.She needs responsibility and that's that;) you've got the upper hand so take it and hammer down! :) |
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| jake16 - 2017-03-16 7:37 PM
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jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PM
I've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse.
I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic .
I'll probably get a slam (not from you ) but she's 12 correct? You are the mom,this is a young colt that is going to need CONSISTANT CARE AND RIDING.If she doesn't want to commit to that,you will have to come to terms with a different possibility.You are paying the trainer and paying to care for the horses needs.She needs responsibility and that's that; ) you've got the upper hand so take it and hammer down! : )
No slam from me on this! I agree! I got on her butt today when she was riding the old guy and yanking away when he wasn't doing exactly what she wanted ... made her pout and walk away and hand the reins over to her older step sister. I followed her inside and she did chores ... putting clothes away and I made her vacuum the living room. That's when she opened up to me and said she was disappointed in herself as her riding lesson today. |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-03-16 8:16 PM
jake16 - 2017-03-16 7:37 PM
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jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PM
I've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse.
I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic .
I'll probably get a slam (not from you ) but she's 12 correct? You are the mom,this is a young colt that is going to need CONSISTANT CARE AND RIDING.If she doesn't want to commit to that,you will have to come to terms with a different possibility.You are paying the trainer and paying to care for the horses needs.She needs responsibility and that's that; ) you've got the upper hand so take it and hammer down! : )
No slam from me on this! I agree! I got on her butt today when she was riding the old guy and yanking away when he wasn't doing exactly what she wanted ... made her pout and walk away and hand the reins over to her older step sister. I followed her inside and she did chores ... putting clothes away and I made her vacuum the living room. That's when she opened up to me and said she was disappointed in herself as her riding lesson today.
I think it's at least a good sign that she talked to you and realizes she can do better. Maybe after a little more time thinking about it she'll make a bigger commitment to try harder? |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-03-16 9:18 PM
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jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PM
I've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse.
I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic .
I'll probably get a slam (not from you ) but she's 12 correct? You are the mom,this is a young colt that is going to need CONSISTANT CARE AND RIDING.If she doesn't want to commit to that,you will have to come to terms with a different possibility.You are paying the trainer and paying to care for the horses needs.She needs responsibility and that's that; ) you've got the upper hand so take it and hammer down! : )
No slam from me on this! I agree! I got on her butt today when she was riding the old guy and yanking away when he wasn't doing exactly what she wanted ... made her pout and walk away and hand the reins over to her older step sister. I followed her inside and she did chores ... putting clothes away and I made her vacuum the living room. That's when she opened up to me and said she was disappointed in herself as her riding lesson today.
I think it's at least a good sign that she talked to you and realizes she can do better. Maybe after a little more time thinking about it she'll make a bigger commitment to try harder?
I've been thinking about this all night... I didn't want to sound like I have a total lack of faith in her ability with the horse, but I do lack faith in her commitment and drive. It's pretty obvious this horse is going to be a high caliber "performance horse" and not going to be one you can just hop on a few times a week and fart around on in the pasture. She does that with her other horse, the old guy, she will get a wild hair and go out and work him on the pattern for a day, then she will lose interest or get frustrated and won't ride for several days. Honestly, if she can't show me more commitment, I'd like to sell the colt and get something older, been there, already going type horse. It's not fair to the colt or her at this rate. |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-03-17 7:25 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-03-16 9:18 PM want2chase3 - 2017-03-16 8:16 PM jake16 - 2017-03-16 7:37 PM want2chase3 - 2017-03-16 8:09 PM jake16 - 2017-03-16 6:56 PMI've been the mom...It doesn't work.pay the trainer to specifically give her lessons.That way He is in charge and being paid to get his point across to her.one on one when he is not riding another horse. I totally agree with you on that... the thought crossed my mind today that her colt might be too much for her to make the commitment to. Her riding and her time out at the barn can be sporadic . I'll probably get a slam (not from you ) but she's 12 correct? You are the mom,this is a young colt that is going to need CONSISTANT CARE AND RIDING.If she doesn't want to commit to that,you will have to come to terms with a different possibility.You are paying the trainer and paying to care for the horses needs.She needs responsibility and that's that; ) you've got the upper hand so take it and hammer down! : ) No slam from me on this! I agree! I got on her butt today when she was riding the old guy and yanking away when he wasn't doing exactly what she wanted ... made her pout and walk away and hand the reins over to her older step sister. I followed her inside and she did chores ... putting clothes away and I made her vacuum the living room. That's when she opened up to me and said she was disappointed in herself as her riding lesson today. I think it's at least a good sign that she talked to you and realizes she can do better. Maybe after a little more time thinking about it she'll make a bigger commitment to try harder? I've been thinking about this all night... I didn't want to sound like I have a total lack of faith in her ability with the horse, but I do lack faith in her commitment and drive. It's pretty obvious this horse is going to be a high caliber "performance horse" and not going to be one you can just hop on a few times a week and fart around on in the pasture. She does that with her other horse, the old guy, she will get a wild hair and go out and work him on the pattern for a day, then she will lose interest or get frustrated and won't ride for several days. Honestly, if she can't show me more commitment, I'd like to sell the colt and get something older, been there, already going type horse. It's not fair to the colt or her at this rate.
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| Yes, I'm planning on sitting her down and having a talk... she's going again today and tomorrow to ride with him. He's doing these lessons out of the kindness of his heart and she helps out around the barn, feeding, watering, mucking stalls etc etc.. the horse is staying with him for another month and I'm hoping she can go over on the weekends and continue to work with him. I need to get the commitment from her though if we are going to continue |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-03-17 8:08 AM
Yes, I'm planning on sitting her down and having a talk... she's going again today and tomorrow to ride with him. He's doing these lessons out of the kindness of his heart and she helps out around the barn, feeding, watering, mucking stalls etc etc.. the horse is staying with him for another month and I'm hoping she can go over on the weekends and continue to work with him. I need to get the commitment from her though if we are going to continue
Good idea:)you are on top of it :) I would love to see a video of the colt if you get one:))) |
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| jake16 - 2017-03-17 7:15 AM
want2chase3 - 2017-03-17 8:08 AM
Yes, I'm planning on sitting her down and having a talk... she's going again today and tomorrow to ride with him. He's doing these lessons out of the kindness of his heart and she helps out around the barn, feeding, watering, mucking stalls etc etc.. the horse is staying with him for another month and I'm hoping she can go over on the weekends and continue to work with him. I need to get the commitment from her though if we are going to continue
Good idea: )you are on top of it : ) I would love to see a video of the colt if you get one: ) ) )
Thank you. I'm hoping I can get over there today and get a video! I want to video her too so she can see herself. That may help with the hand business. |
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| The horse is still at the trainers.. we decided another 30 rides on him. He should be coming home within the next week or so. He's doing awesome! Our trainer fell in love with him. We've has multiple offers on him lol! We are going to bring him home and she will start to pattern him lightly and I will be hauling him and her to the trainers for lessons weekly to keep him sharp. |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-05-01 10:24 AM
The horse is still at the trainers.. we decided another 30 rides on him. He should be coming home within the next week or so. He's doing awesome! Our trainer fell in love with him. We've has multiple offers on him lol! We are going to bring him home and she will start to pattern him lightly and I will be hauling him and her to the trainers for lessons weekly to keep him sharp.
That's AWESOME news!!!! Thanks for the update!!!!! |
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| jake16 - 2017-05-06 11:21 AM
WOW HE LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!!SO GLAD YOU WENT THROUGH WITH HIM!!!
Thanks! She's going to ride him today for the first time since he left. Still planning on taking her over once a week for lessons on him. |
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Location: W. Pa. | Don't give up on his colt. If he were 10 and acting this way it would be one thing but he is a colt. Be sure you are using the correct trainer.
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-06 8:54 AM
He looks amazing too!
Wow!!! I am so glad for you and her and him. He looks great! Best of luck |
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| Two Boots - 2017-05-06 9:32 PM
Don't give up on his colt. If he were 10 and acting this way it would be one thing but he is a colt. Be sure you are using the correct trainer.
He spent 3 months with our trainer, the best in this area. Judging on how she rode him yesterday, they clicked right away and she was happily loping circles in the pasture! I don't think she quit smiling the whole time. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-06 9:49 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-05-06 8:54 AM
He looks amazing too!
Wow!!! I am so glad for you and her and him. He looks great! Best of luck
Thank you! We are super excited! Our trainer asked to have first right to purchase if we decided to ever sell. I was going to switch him to a different feed when I brought him home, but seeing how good he looks on his current feed I'm sticking with it, in fact, I'm putting the rest of my crew on the same! He maintained beautifully on it and he was ridden/worked 6 days a week. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | The absolute best thing you can do is video tape her on her horse. She is only 12. When it comes to her hands, what she thinks she is doing and what she see's she is doing in the video's will help her alot. Don't say a word when you watch the video's. Let her discribe it first and then explain what you think she is doing. When my daughter's started out on poles and barrels I would video them and let them watch themselves. I could tell them what they were doing til i was blue in the face and they would not believe me until they seen it them selves. Then I would say just try this and we will video it and compare to the other runs. Remeber your daughter is just 12 and she is learning also. Please don't sell the horse or your daughter short. Give them time. They are both learning a lot right now. The better they both do the more she will fall in love with it. My oldest daughter would cry coming home from a show because she was not as good as the older girls and she thought she would never be as good as them and their horses. I told her that every rider in that arena no matter how old they were started in the same spot she was in. The only difference is they did not give up. |
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| BS Hauler - 2017-05-07 12:56 PM
The absolute best thing you can do is video tape her on her horse. She is only 12. When it comes to her hands, what she thinks she is doing and what she see's she is doing in the video's will help her alot. Don't say a word when you watch the video's. Let her discribe it first and then explain what you think she is doing. When my daughter's started out on poles and barrels I would video them and let them watch themselves. I could tell them what they were doing til i was blue in the face and they would not believe me until they seen it them selves. Then I would say just try this and we will video it and compare to the other runs. Remeber your daughter is just 12 and she is learning also. Please don't sell the horse or your daughter short. Give them time. They are both learning a lot right now. The better they both do the more she will fall in love with it. My oldest daughter would cry coming home from a show because she was not as good as the older girls and she thought she would never be as good as them and their horses. I told her that every rider in that arena no matter how old they were started in the same spot she was in. The only difference is they did not give up.
I agree 100% I took a video of her riding him yesterday and she's watched it over and over.. she needs to learn his fancy buttons.. he's got an incredible stop on him so when she sat and asked for the stop he almost juked her out of the saddle lol! She's going next Saturday with the horse to the trainer for a lesson on him. Right now he just wants her to lope circles and get the feel of him, he's still young and needs lots of guidance from his jockey! |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Your daughter just learned what the difference is between being a pasture friend and being a rider and a horse partner is. Before the horse just treated her like a friend and now he has learned she is the rider, the boss and the trainer. Now she needs to learn how to communicate with him thru body languages. And keep telling her to not get discouraged. Everyone in that arena no matter how old they are started out just like her. My one daughter would not enter the open barrels because she said that there was not way she could compete with those older ladies. One of the older ladies over heard her and chewed her out and told her too never let that stop her from entering. She told her that any of them could hit a barrel and could lose to her if she just ran a clean run even if she was a couple seconds slower. This is a mental game as much as a fisical one and these younger girls need all the encouragement they can get. I treated my daughters no different than my son on the farm. |
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HOPEFULLY, someone mentioned that the colt was just being cinchie. Not a deal breaker, just takes some time.
We had one several years ago, the first 60 rides were bareback. Would buck as hard as I have ever seen in 50 years, if you saddled him. Started with just a horse blanket, that we left on and slowly, (ever few days) we would tighten the belly strap a little. Moved to a bareback pad, than a light saddle and we left them on a day at a time. Took a good month to get him over being cinchie. Bareback, he was a push over. Only colt hat we ever got to one hand with a halter riding bareback before we could saddle him.
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | The video's will help her alot. She will be more consensus of this as she rides. Tell to try and do as much as she can with as little hand movement as she can. Clean is elegant and smooth is fast. Ask her how she would react to someone pulling hard on her mouth or someone pulling very sulterally if the bit was in her mouth. Keep the encouragement up. I would tell my daughters what I thought that they could improve on in training sessions. But when it came to making their runs at events I always told them to just go have fun. They don't need more pressure from a parent at that point before a run. |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-07 10:52 AM
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want2chase3 - 2017-05-06 8:54 AM
He looks amazing too!
Wow!!! I am so glad for you and her and him. He looks great! Best of luck
Thank you! We are super excited! Our trainer asked to have first right to purchase if we decided to ever sell. I was going to switch him to a different feed when I brought him home, but seeing how good he looks on his current feed I'm sticking with it, in fact, I'm putting the rest of my crew on the same! He maintained beautifully on it and he was ridden/worked 6 days a week.
Didn't that give you "yippy" bumps to know the trainer thinks that much of him?!! I just had a feeling when you started this thread that it was gonna work out for y'all |
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| What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" . |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" .
Thats to bad shes feeling that way, its just so hard having a green young horse and a green young rider, they dont mix most of the time I've been around them.. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:54 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" .
Thats to bad shes feeling that way, its just so hard having a green young horse and a green young rider, they dont mix most of the time I've been around them..
Yes I knew this.. like I said I would have never bought this colt for her , but he was given to her... hes very tolerant but I could tell he was getting frustrated too.. head shaking and just stopping. For a colt that just turned 3, he put up with a lot today. |
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Location: W. Pa. | The best thing you could do is send him back to trainer for another 60 days and let her go take some lessons on him during his time there and after you bring him back home.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 8:20 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:54 PM want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" . Thats to bad shes feeling that way, its just so hard having a green young horse and a green young rider, they dont mix most of the time I've been around them.. Yes I knew this.. like I said I would have never bought this colt for her , but he was given to her... hes very tolerant but I could tell he was getting frustrated too.. head shaking and just stopping. For a colt that just turned 3, he put up with a lot today.
He sounds like hes got a really good mind, I hope that this will all work out for the both of them, I hate hearing that she thinks shes done with him, hope that she will sleep on this and have a different look on this tomorrow, tomorrow is a new day and I bet this is a very forgiving colt and they can start fresh with the trainer's help helping her in person if shes willing. |
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Location: Arkansas | Oh no, I was so excited for them. Please come back and keep us updated on the two of them. Like Roxie said, hopefully after she sleeps on it, she can come back with a new perspective. |
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| Two Boots - 2017-05-10 9:32 PM
The best thing you could do is send him back to trainer for another 60 days and let her go take some lessons on him during his time there and after you bring him back home.
We just got him back from being there for 3 months. I can't really swing another round of that, plus lessons, plus she needs a new saddle PLUS, we are looking to buy my older daughter a different horse because the one we were hoping to work is permanently crippled. It's a rough situation for sure! Hopefully she will have a new outlook today and we can have a "do-over" |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 10:44 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 8:20 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:54 PM want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" . Thats to bad shes feeling that way, its just so hard having a green young horse and a green young rider, they dont mix most of the time I've been around them.. Yes I knew this.. like I said I would have never bought this colt for her , but he was given to her... hes very tolerant but I could tell he was getting frustrated too.. head shaking and just stopping. For a colt that just turned 3, he put up with a lot today.
He has a terrific mind! But that can only last so long IMO... when she gets frustrated, she starts getting "snatchy" hands and starts kicking with both legs.. super confusing for him. I have a bosal somewhere I might put on him the trainer said he was riding him around the last week with just a rope around his neck. I don't want him getting hard mouthed. I came in from the barn and told my husband I still wasn't convinced we shouldn't sell him and get her something "finished" that she can learn on... both her and him trying to learn together isn't ideal or as glamorous as it sounds! It'll end up a frustrated jockey and a sour colt! |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-11 8:56 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 10:44 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 8:20 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:54 PM want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" . Thats to bad shes feeling that way, its just so hard having a green young horse and a green young rider, they dont mix most of the time I've been around them.. Yes I knew this.. like I said I would have never bought this colt for her , but he was given to her... hes very tolerant but I could tell he was getting frustrated too.. head shaking and just stopping. For a colt that just turned 3, he put up with a lot today.
He has a terrific mind! But that can only last so long IMO... when she gets frustrated, she starts getting "snatchy" hands and starts kicking with both legs.. super confusing for him. I have a bosal somewhere I might put on him the trainer said he was riding him around the last week with just a rope around his neck. I don't want him getting hard mouthed. I came in from the barn and told my husband I still wasn't convinced we shouldn't sell him and get her something "finished" that she can learn on... both her and him trying to learn together isn't ideal or as glamorous as it sounds! It'll end up a frustrated jockey and a sour colt!
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| Boy this sure has been a roller coaster of a ride lol! Something "clicked" and she's riding him phenomenally! No more busy hands and starfish kicking... everything is smooth, straight and relaxed. We never got to the lesson, he had to cancel last week. I'm proud of her!
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| want2chase3 - 2017-05-10 7:41 PM
What happened today, was what I was afraid of happening all along... I understand there are "off" days or just straight up bad days... today was definitely BOTH of those.. it's shaken her confidence and she's too frustrated, he wasn't getting what she was asking of him... course her cues were all over the place and I tried to help her and she took it wrong and got beyond aggrivated with him... I wasn't afraid of this colt doing her wrong, I was afraid of her doing him wrong .. I finally asked her to just stop ... and just go trot around the barrels .. not the pattern but just give him something else to do besides lope circles in the pasture ... next thing I know she's back at the barn taking his sasdle off saying "she's done" .
Actually, I commend her for knowing it was time to get off him for the day or even one or two days. I have done that in the past - just got off, cooled me and the horse out and given us both up to a week off. In that week I just tied him up and brushed and loved on him, then fed and put him up. When I got back on, he and I were doing exactly as I had wanted us to do in the first place. I am glad to read that all went well the next day. Again, I think she did a really smart and mature thing by getting off him before it got out of hand. |
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-05-15 5:16 PM
Boy this sure has been a roller coaster of a ride lol! Something "clicked" and she's riding him phenomenally! No more busy hands and starfish kicking... everything is smooth, straight and relaxed. We never got to the lesson, he had to cancel last week. I'm proud of her!
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | You have done good. She is growing up. She did the right thing by resting a bit and thinking about everything she has done so far. Keep videoing taping her and let her watching herself. It is the best training aid that a young person can have. She is learning from herself. We as parents can only guide them. She will learn it takes a lot of wore out horse shoes to get where they will be truly one. Remember to tell her that every NFR qualifier started out just like her. |
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| Back in a rough spot... the riding and "the want to" have significantly slowed down since school has let out. Plus she decided to go away with my mother for almost 2 weeks so the horse just sat. Surprisingly he was really good when she finally got back on him... meaning no funny business.. just rode off fine. I did a test to see if I didn't tell her to ride if she would take it upon herself to do it... 3 days went by and I told her I'm going out to ride before it gets too hot, so she knew that's what I was doing... she didn't ride. Yes, I know it's hot but I ride my horse daily before noon and it's not bad! I started getting onto her about riding him, explaining AGAIN , he needs as much as he can get... so she started up again... I watched her the other day, 2 circles to the left at a trot 2 to the right and 1 circle loping to the left and she started heading back to the barn... I told her that's not enough! So she finally loped him to the right and actually got the right lead FINALLY!
Today she had a friend over, but I text her from the barn and told her she needed to come ride her colt. She came out and rode him a few minutes and started complaining about him doing this and that... appears the horse has gotten a tad barn sour... I got on him... yep, he's barn sour... but you can ride him thru it then he's fine... we started just trotting the barrels just making nice circles no particular order, no pressure... my kid just started walking back to the house and I hollered at her to come watch!!! I knew the horse was green and knows very little but honestly he can be a bit of a handful, he's very testy. .. once he knew I wasn't gonna let him put his head up in the air and try and go back to the barn, he was alright but he will constantly test...
I choose not to ride young horses because I had a horrible AWFUL experience a few years ago that crushed my confidence.. I won't be riding him again. I can see he's picked up a few bad habits already. My daughter is more concerned with friends, snap chat, cheer leading and volley ball these days I feel. I've told her we should still be considering other options.. if she wants to do this barrel stuff we can find an older experienced horse. I've bought her a bunch of books, videos and I encourage her to use trainingbarrelhorses.com on my laptop. She hasn't cracked a book. Sigh.... you know, the sad part is, only after a few circles on those barrels he totally got it. I'm not a horse trainer by any means and I know more about roping than I do barrels but I prefer nice middle aged finished geldings that I can kinda mold my way!
Sorry for the novel I'm just at a loss... I don't want to see this horse waste away in the pasture and develop more bad habits! |
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Location: OH. IO | I would now contact the trainer and see if he wants to futurity on him or buy him.Youve given plenty of opportunities and young colts need stability and need to be consistent. If this was me in this situation I would be done and he would be gone. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm not really sure what your at a loss about.
Green horse and Green rider don't mix, she has shown you now that she really doesn't have the desire to carry with him.
if you don't want to waste him, sell him and move on. You can't make her want to do it. |
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Location: OH. IO | Also...I would NOT buy her another horse.I would load and go with out her and enjoy MY summer! |
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| Ya'll are right... she was given enough chances to do this... had all the materials handed to her but won't do her part without being told. She's going to be very unhappy but she can't continue like this. |
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| jake16 - 2017-06-21 3:46 PM
Also...I would NOT buy her another horse.I would load and go with out her and enjoy MY summer!
I was just thinking this! I could buy myself a nice barrel saddle since all I have is my roping saddle.. but I've been playing with my horse on the barrels for quite some time now and I have FUN! I put my time in lol! I read, I watch videos and I practice every day. So I deserve it! Right? Ugh I am a mom, I want my kids happy, I wish my daughter was into the horses as much as my son is into his baseball! |
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Location: OH. IO | We all want our kids to be happy. But we need to be happy to.buying her another horse right now would be a reason for her to not have to practice.until she WANTS it,do not cave.You have been through a lot emotially lately.DO SOMETGING FOR YOU FOR AWHILE!! |
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| I just have to say Kudos to you. You've done a fantastic job through this. It is tough but if it isn't a priority, it isn't a priority. She may change her tune but go enjoy your horse. |
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| I appreciate all the advice so much! It's been a long road with this! I talked to my hubby and explained to him what happened today with me riding the youngster... he doesn't want to sell him... he asked if I could keep riding him... ugh! Waaaaay out of my comfort zone... but I can say I wasn't ever afraid today... he never offered a buck, he just tried to go back to the barn but didn't want to pick a huge fight with me when I wouldn't let him... the last 3yr old I had would tuck his head between his knees and just get it! Granted I never fell off.. I just don't want that scenario again... it shook me ... that horse had my number... |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-06-21 3:03 PM
Back in a rough spot... the riding and "the want to" have significantly slowed down since school has let out. Plus she decided to go away with my mother for almost 2 weeks so the horse just sat. Surprisingly he was really good when she finally got back on him... meaning no funny business.. just rode off fine. I did a test to see if I didn't tell her to ride if she would take it upon herself to do it... 3 days went by and I told her I'm going out to ride before it gets too hot, so she knew that's what I was doing... she didn't ride. Yes, I know it's hot but I ride my horse daily before noon and it's not bad! I started getting onto her about riding him, explaining AGAIN , he needs as much as he can get... so she started up again... I watched her the other day, 2 circles to the left at a trot 2 to the right and 1 circle loping to the left and she started heading back to the barn... I told her that's not enough! So she finally loped him to the right and actually got the right lead FINALLY!
Today she had a friend over, but I text her from the barn and told her she needed to come ride her colt. She came out and rode him a few minutes and started complaining about him doing this and that... appears the horse has gotten a tad barn sour... I got on him... yep, he's barn sour... but you can ride him thru it then he's fine... we started just trotting the barrels just making nice circles no particular order, no pressure... my kid just started walking back to the house and I hollered at her to come watch!!! I knew the horse was green and knows very little but honestly he can be a bit of a handful, he's very testy. .. once he knew I wasn't gonna let him put his head up in the air and try and go back to the barn, he was alright but he will constantly test...
I choose not to ride young horses because I had a horrible AWFUL experience a few years ago that crushed my confidence.. I won't be riding him again. I can see he's picked up a few bad habits already. My daughter is more concerned with friends, snap chat, cheer leading and volley ball these days I feel. I've told her we should still be considering other options.. if she wants to do this barrel stuff we can find an older experienced horse. I've bought her a bunch of books, videos and I encourage her to use trainingbarrelhorses.com on my laptop. She hasn't cracked a book. Sigh.... you know, the sad part is, only after a few circles on those barrels he totally got it. I'm not a horse trainer by any means and I know more about roping than I do barrels but I prefer nice middle aged finished geldings that I can kinda mold my way!
Sorry for the novel I'm just at a loss... I don't want to see this horse waste away in the pasture and develop more bad habits!
Some people just aren't cut out to ride colts. My sister is a heck of a jockey, but she doesn't like riding colts. Once they are really broke, you can't get her off them but until then, she just doesn't but enjoy riding them. She liked putting a pattern on one and going from there. When I was younger, I loved the young ones. Could be your daughter is like that. Or it could be that right now, it's not that big of a deal to her. My daughter left the horses when she was a senior in high school and then 7 years later the horse bug got hold of her and hasn't let go 5 years later. |
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Location: OH. IO | want2chase3 - 2017-06-21 10:06 PM
I appreciate all the advice so much! It's been a long road with this! I talked to my hubby and explained to him what happened today with me riding the youngster... he doesn't want to sell him... he asked if I could keep riding him... ugh! Waaaaay out of my comfort zone... but I can say I wasn't ever afraid today... he never offered a buck, he just tried to go back to the barn but didn't want to pick a huge fight with me when I wouldn't let him... the last 3yr old I had would tuck his head between his knees and just get it! Granted I never fell off.. I just don't want that scenario again... it shook me ... that horse had my number...
Didn't the trainer mention riding or futurity him?make a plan with him for a season;) |
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| jake16 - 2017-06-21 9:22 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-06-21 10:06 PM
I appreciate all the advice so much! It's been a long road with this! I talked to my hubby and explained to him what happened today with me riding the youngster... he doesn't want to sell him... he asked if I could keep riding him... ugh! Waaaaay out of my comfort zone... but I can say I wasn't ever afraid today... he never offered a buck, he just tried to go back to the barn but didn't want to pick a huge fight with me when I wouldn't let him... the last 3yr old I had would tuck his head between his knees and just get it! Granted I never fell off.. I just don't want that scenario again... it shook me ... that horse had my number...
Didn't the trainer mention riding or futurity him?make a plan with him for a season; )
Our trainer isn't a barrel horse trainer... he just gets the foundation part started.. hes more into roping and wants this guy to be a heel horse . I'm not a barrel horse person but I can say this colt got it so quick! I've been messing with my head horse for over a year to get him to learn the pattern and not shoulder, especially to the left! This little guy picked it up so quick... he started hunting the 1st barrel after a few rounds. Wish I knew someone out here that trained barrel horses... they wouldn't be disappointed. .. he's athletic, smart and I think he's pretty! |
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Location: OH. IO | From the beginning I was hoping you would ride him:)where are you located?maybe a bb can help you? |
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| jake16 - 2017-06-21 9:41 PM
From the beginning I was hoping you would ride him:)where are you located?maybe a bb can help you?
I'm in central texas area. I've got a call into a friend to see if I can hook up with her and get some direction. Told my daughter last night that I'd be taking over riding him for a while.. she gave me a look.. then tears came.. she said she wasn't sure what she wanted to do anymore but she didn't want to do barrels. I had no idea! I told her she can still ride him whenever she wanted and that she didn't need to have a certain discipline to enjoy riding! I feel like I took some pressure off her anyway |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-06-22 10:55 AM
jake16 - 2017-06-21 9:41 PM
From the beginning I was hoping you would ride him:)where are you located?maybe a bb can help you?
I'm in central texas area. I've got a call into a friend to see if I can hook up with her and get some direction. Told my daughter last night that I'd be taking over riding him for a while.. she gave me a look.. then tears came.. she said she wasn't sure what she wanted to do anymore but she didn't want to do barrels. I had no idea! I told her she can still ride him whenever she wanted and that she didn't need to have a certain discipline to enjoy riding! I feel like I took some pressure off her anyway
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Location: OH. IO | GLP - 2017-06-22 6:44 PM
want2chase3 - 2017-06-22 10:55 AM
jake16 - 2017-06-21 9:41 PM
From the beginning I was hoping you would ride him:)where are you located?maybe a bb can help you?
I'm in central texas area. I've got a call into a friend to see if I can hook up with her and get some direction. Told my daughter last night that I'd be taking over riding him for a while.. she gave me a look.. then tears came.. she said she wasn't sure what she wanted to do anymore but she didn't want to do barrels. I had no idea! I told her she can still ride him whenever she wanted and that she didn't need to have a certain discipline to enjoy riding! I feel like I took some pressure off her anyway
Good move, Mom!
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| Lol! I feel like a giant on him! He's so little.. I'm used to my big boy! He's deceiving though, he's very thick and I'm hoping he hits a growth spurt soon! My double j roping saddle fits him perfectly and it's an extra wide. You definitely feel the power when you ride him |
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