janjan1 - 2017-02-11 4:11 PM

JMHO........Today the news and alot of bloggers have posted about ICE arresting alot of illegals. Alot of families are very upset about the family members being arrested and soon to be deported. A lot of protests are getting media attention too. I am on the outside looking in, and may be uneducated about the legal aspects of this, but it seems to be that the laws about immigration has not been followed for some time now, allowing illegals to tap into welfare and my tax $$$ which I think is unfair. i see so many americans needing aide, or alot more getting it that should not be. And I have seen alot of hispanic families at our local wally world with carts full paying with EBT cards, which I thunk is wrong. MAny years ago I was a younger woman with 2 babies who tried to apply for food stamps...they said I made too much. IT was a struggle but I made it. Am I wrong in thinking that finally the laws on the books are finally being followed? Am I wrong also that I think immigrants should come into the county the right way, legally, and learn english. I hate it when I call some place and have to push a button to hear the info in english.
JMHO! But I for one voted for Trump and I am glad to see something positive actually happening within days of his taking office. Again, JMHO.

vjls - 2017-02-12 8:46 AM i totally agree and i truly hope these so called sanctuary state cities 1 leaders gett arrested and fund cut off.



also start with calid democrate de leon  state senate leader in ca and arrest him and most of family he states they have bought fake and 1/2 here illgealy



but where and how do all the protestors do it and get so dam organized 

Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-12 10:19 AM In my area the fundings have been getting cut, and boy the Castros {Julian & Joaquin} brothers are fighting mad. We need these sanctuary cities stoped and finally we got a President that wants to make it right for the Americans but all these jackwagons keep mouthing off, but me I wonder if they themselves have illegal family living off the system.

casualdust07 - 2017-02-12 1:57 PM But guys, be careful, your white privilege is showing. *TOTALLY SARCASTIC*. if I get that told to me one more time, I'm really not sure what I'm going to be able to hold back. Just a side story on the ridiculous ideology behind the people who support all this... I was eating lunch with a bunch of other 4th year vet students. One of them is a friend of mine, he's from west TX, and married an Asian lady who is super sweet. They have 3 kids with a fourth on the way. He is really good at impersonations of lots of things, but hes especially good at impersonating an Asian accent. So he was telling a story about one of his trips going to visit another university and how he stopped in for lunch at a Chinese restaurant. The girl answering the phones and taking orders had a strong Asian accent (which he impersonated really well for the story) then said as soon as she was off the phone she spoke in completely normal English without any accent at all. Two of the girls in the room told him to stop speaking in an Asian accent as it was offensive to Asian people. I looked at them and I said, he's married to one and has three children that are half Asian! I think he's pretty involved in Asian culture. They said no, he's just a white dude. He then said the same thing- half of my family's Asian... no, they still said he was offensive. So I said, wait, if I speak in a British accent is that also offensive? And they said YES! Because speaking in accents is making fun of people. I was totally bewildered.

Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-12 2:15 PM


Well guess we better not watch any more movies and TV shows as lots of the actors do alot of impersonations, shame on these actors... LOL.. Some people are so closed minded that they stink.. 

casualdust07 - 2017-02-12 2:41 PM That was exactly my thought... my gosh at some point some movie star was a child practicing speaking in accents because they wanted to be a freaking actor! not offend anyone!

NJJ - 2017-02-12 2:51 PM


I guess you would have to not watch many movies at all.....a LOT of the well known actors and actresses are British and perform with an "American accent" .....it's kind of funny to see them on a talk show and they talk "British" (their normal language) ..... LOL 

euchee - 2017-02-12 1:55 PM

 Is all they have to do is come in the legal way then there wouldn't be a problem.
I'm tiried of all these people saying that the crops are rotting and such because the illegals have been arrested and no one else will work the hours that they do.  Sounds to me like they were treated more like slaves then employee's.  Maybe the unions need to get ahold of these type of employee's and set them straight.  Pay decent wages and take care of their employee's then they will have americans working for them.  Yes I know the prices would have to raise but that would be of set by Americans having more money from more jobs.
But what the heck do I know, I'm just some dumb deplorable hick from the sticks.

 

casualdust07 - 2017-02-12 1:57 PM But guys, be careful, your white privilege is showing. *TOTALLY SARCASTIC*. if I get that told to me one more time, I'm really not sure what I'm going to be able to hold back. Just a side story on the ridiculous ideology behind the people who support all this... I was eating lunch with a bunch of other 4th year vet students. One of them is a friend of mine, he's from west TX, and married an Asian lady who is super sweet. They have 3 kids with a fourth on the way. He is really good at impersonations of lots of things, but hes especially good at impersonating an Asian accent. So he was telling a story about one of his trips going to visit another university and how he stopped in for lunch at a Chinese restaurant. The girl answering the phones and taking orders had a strong Asian accent (which he impersonated really well for the story) then said as soon as she was off the phone she spoke in completely normal English without any accent at all. Two of the girls in the room told him to stop speaking in an Asian accent as it was offensive to Asian people. I looked at them and I said, he's married to one and has three children that are half Asian! I think he's pretty involved in Asian culture. They said no, he's just a white dude. He then said the same thing- half of my family's Asian... no, they still said he was offensive. So I said, wait, if I speak in a British accent is that also offensive? And they said YES! Because speaking in accents is making fun of people. I was totally bewildered.

cranky B4 10am - 2017-02-12 9:42 AM

I've said it before, and will say it again. About time these illegals are being dealt with!!!

Yes, I am an immigrant, I came to this country 12 years ago for work, I was supposed to go back after 5 years, but love it here so much I wanted to stay. Oh and found the man that is now my husband. 
And we did it the correct way! So 10 years after I came here, and 5 years after we got married I finally became a citizen!
Does it take a long time? YES!
Does it take a lot of effort? YES!
Is it cheap? NO! 
Am I glad I did it? HECK YES!!

And does it chafe my butt to see the entitled whiney illegals, which are breaking the law, protest about being deported? OMG YES!! 

One other thing, I came here and adjusted to the American way of life. Now grant it, coming from a western European country it wasn't that different then it would be from somewhere out of the Middle East, but still... you want to come live here, because you are trying to escape the dangerous and volatile world you came frome, yet you want to change this country to that same standard???? Nope nope nope.... then you best stay put and deal with it, because your life would not change one bit!!!! Just the landscape.....

Anyway, getting of my soapbox now, but I for one am glad Trump won, and I am pround to say this was the first election I got to vote in, and yes, I did vote for him and am not afraid to say it!!! 

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2017-02-13 9:03 AM I realize this is an alt-right love fest, but I do have to object to your characterization of "all Hispanic illegals", because to be clear that is who you are talking about, just wanting to mooch off the American taxpayers. You have obviously never actually looked at who is doing the work at horse farms, roofing and construction companies in the south, and picking the fruits and vegetables you eat and pay a fair price in the grocery store for. If you want to work in the US, it is a stringent, very limited expensive process aggravated by a disfunctional process based more on appeasing the people like you rather than meeting the needs of, for example agricultural producers and construction companies. There is no legal "line" for most people from that area of the world and a simple google search for immigration rules would explain that. Hard! The Eastern European immigrant had a totally different set of rules. So rather than spread "fake news" that you support lazy Mexicans, remember that red states and Corporations are the biggest drag on the American taxpayers' teat there is and the guys on that roof in the 110 degree Oklahoma and Texas heat look nothing like you. So unless white people want to pick up the slack and actually work at jobs they think are beneath them, they better figure out the immigration system and quit playing the victim.

HarlanLivesOn - 2017-02-13 10:08 AM I wasn't aware that you're from another country... Cool! Where from?

HarlanLivesOn - 2017-02-13 10:08 AM


I wasn't aware that you're from another country... Cool! Where from?

janjan1 - 2017-02-13 8:39 AM I will go abit further than my OP....as much as we as Americans want the illegal folks to get off our financial overload, and go back to their original homes to apply the RIGHT way to come back into america, we need to think about the number of legal americans who are freeloading the system. I am sure everyone knows someone or whole families who have generations upon generations milking the system. I know I do. When everyone is saying oh the illegals take jobs away from tax paying americans. Well, they actually take the jobs that Americans wont work. I hear it all the time, I cant find a job...well the jobs are out there, but they just would rather collect a check rather than break a sweat. I have had people work part of a shift and leave because they can make more $$$ sitting on their butts. We have a whole country of lazy ass people that WE support. If you are truly disabled, fine. But something has to give folks. We must get these people back actually working. If YOU want my assistance, you can and WILL do something to earn it, AND there will be a time limit. Dont ever say you wont do something, because you can & will under the right circumstance. TO earn money to eat, yes you will. LEarn from the illegals who do work any job, several jobs in fact, to earn $$$. BUT I also know there are just as many who freeload too. BUT the point is, we have a work force here in the USA, we just have to get them motivated to get off their duff. If not, then they too can get out.

Vickie - 2017-02-13 11:48 AM I have never figured out what part of illegal is so hard to understand.  No, they are not "undocumented workers", they are breaking the law by being here, therefore eligible to be deported as a criminal.  We will never get wages up as long as bosses can hire illegals for nothing because they have no rights. 

janjan1 - 2017-02-13 9:39 AM I will go abit further than my OP....as much as we as Americans want the illegal folks to get off our financial overload, and go back to their original homes to apply the RIGHT way to come back into america, we need to think about the number of legal americans who are freeloading the system. I am sure everyone knows someone or whole families who have generations upon generations milking the system. I know I do. When everyone is saying oh the illegals take jobs away from tax paying americans. Well, they actually take the jobs that Americans wont work. I hear it all the time, I cant find a job...well the jobs are out there, but they just would rather collect a check rather than break a sweat. I have had people work part of a shift and leave because they can make more $$$ sitting on their butts. We have a whole country of lazy ass people that WE support. If you are truly disabled, fine. But something has to give folks. We must get these people back actually working. If YOU want my assistance, you can and WILL do something to earn it, AND there will be a time limit. Dont ever say you wont do something, because you can & will under the right circumstance. TO earn money to eat, yes you will. LEarn from the illegals who do work any job, several jobs in fact, to earn $$$. BUT I also know there are just as many who freeload too. BUT the point is, we have a work force here in the USA, we just have to get them motivated to get off their duff. If not, then they too can get out.

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2017-02-13 9:03 AM

I realize this is an alt-right love fest, but I do have to object to your characterization of "all Hispanic illegals", because to be clear that is who you are talking about, just wanting to mooch off the American taxpayers. You have obviously never actually looked at who is doing the work at horse farms, roofing and construction companies in the south, and picking the fruits and vegetables you eat and pay a fair price in the grocery store for.
If you want to work in the US, it is a stringent, very limited expensive process aggravated by a disfunctional process based more on appeasing the people like you rather than meeting the needs of, for example agricultural producers and construction companies. There is no legal "line" for most people from that area of the world and a simple google search for immigration rules would explain that. Hard! The Eastern European immigrant had a totally different set of rules. So rather than spread "fake news" that you support lazy Mexicans, remember that red states and Corporations are the biggest drag on the American taxpayers' teat there is and the guys on that roof in the 110 degree Oklahoma and Texas heat look nothing like you. So unless white people want to pick up the slack and actually work at jobs they think are beneath them, they better figure out the immigration system and quit playing the victim.

Vickie - 2017-02-13 11:48 AM

I have never figured out what part of illegal is so hard to understand.  No, they are not "undocumented workers", they are breaking the law by being here, therefore eligible to be deported as a criminal.  We will never get wages up as long as bosses can hire illegals for nothing because they have no rights. 

NJJ - 2017-02-13 12:30 PM That is the bigger problem.....start levying BIG fines against the "employers" who knowingly employ illegals and they will stop hiring them!  

FinneyQuarterHorses - 2017-02-13 9:03 AM

I realize this is an alt-right love fest, but I do have to object to your characterization of "all Hispanic illegals", because to be clear that is who you are talking about, just wanting to mooch off the American taxpayers. You have obviously never actually looked at who is doing the work at horse farms, roofing and construction companies in the south, and picking the fruits and vegetables you eat and pay a fair price in the grocery store for.
If you want to work in the US, it is a stringent, very limited expensive process aggravated by a disfunctional process based more on appeasing the people like you rather than meeting the needs of, for example agricultural producers and construction companies. There is no legal "line" for most people from that area of the world and a simple google search for immigration rules would explain that. Hard! The Eastern European immigrant had a totally different set of rules. So rather than spread "fake news" that you support lazy Mexicans, remember that red states and Corporations are the biggest drag on the American taxpayers' teat there is and the guys on that roof in the 110 degree Oklahoma and Texas heat look nothing like you. So unless white people want to pick up the slack and actually work at jobs they think are beneath them, they better figure out the immigration system and quit playing the victim.

euchee - 2017-02-13 6:28 PM  Exactly!  For every illegal picked up at the jobs slap a big ass fine on the employers.  Once they have to pay so much they might think twice.  Tysons will be out of workers until they decide to pay good wages to citizens

 

SC Wrangler - 2017-02-15 1:55 PM How about a little jail time for those knowingly hiring illegals.    Oh but wait that will not happen because of the "undocumented domestics" working in the homes of government officials and in the homes of the CEO's padding their pockets.  

Three 4 Luck - 2017-02-15 4:01 PM


 All this time I thought there was a big fine for hiring illegals, whether knowingly or not. We quit hiring any Mexicans off the street because we couldn't tell if their paperwork was legit or not, and e-verify didn't work very well. 

Anniemae - 2017-02-15 3:58 PM It is my understanding that ICE is detaining/deporting only illegals with a criminal background.  I would imagine there is a protocol for what a criminal background is.  Are they deporting illegals with A and B Felonies or are they grouping all levels of felonies and misdemeanors as a "criminal" background?  IDK   And yes, I know there is an argument that they are all criminals, but I'm trying to understand what ICE's directive is. 



To think that we can or will round up and deport 15 million (or whatever the number is) of illegals is pie in the sky thinking.  It's not going to happen, impossible to do physically or financially.  It's just not a viable option.  



The truth is that many of illegals are "employed" as a low cost labor force.  Agriculture, construction, manual labor, etc.  If anyone thinks an American is going to go out and tend/pick vegetables all day long in a field, for minimum wage, you're dreaming.  Living in the land of agriculture, there is no way in holy heck this is going to happen.   The state of Washington lost a portion of their apple crop a year so back, due to a shorage in the labor force, they couldn't hire enough willing Americans to work in the orchards.  Minimum wage of course.  (far more than what they pay illegals...)   Then there is the argument, well, if the agriculture industry would pay a "fair" wage, they could get american employees.  Probably, some truth to that.  However, I can't afford $5 an apple, or $10 for a bunch of asperagus, so this is NOT a feasible option either. Remember, the cost just gets passed along to the consumer.  American fruit and produce would be too expensive, and we would then import ALL of our fruit and vegetables...  would destroy our agriculture industry.  



Then there is the garment industry.  Huge in LA, they employee mostly illegals. They generally pay by piece work, long hours, in not so great conditions, unsavory parts of the city. So all those "Made in the USA" garments, were most likey pieced together by illegals, and they still cost more than the dreaded Chinese imports...  Not too many americans are running down to the garment district looking for work in a shabby run down warehouse, that pays by the piece.  



Construction industry.  Not familiar enough to comment, but others already have and it's clear, not too many americans willing to work on a hot roof for 8 hours a day...  just is. 



I'm not against deporting illegals with a criminal history, in fact I support it 100% (they should be shipped out immediately after they've served their jail time).  Though, I am realistic in the absolute requirement and financial dependence on a low cost labor force.  A HUGE portion of the economy runs on this, whether anyone likes it or not, it is fact.



A few solutions?

1.  Must have one American parent to be considered american, if born in the USA.  Otherwise, you are a foreign national.  No Welfare benefits to be given.



2.  Random drug testing for all Welfare recipients (regardless of citzenship). How is this testing paid for?  Those who fail will get kicked off the gravy train, and that in itself, will pay for the drug testing! 



3.  Immediately deport any illegal alien that has been convicted of a class C felony or greater, upon release from jail/prison.



4.  Allow those working illegals (with NO criminal history) a way to acquire a green card in an expediated manner.  Therefore, paying taxes. 



5.  Allow no more than 5 deductions on W-9's, unless proof can be provided via certified birth certificates (or other documentation for deductions).  This will force many to pay something into taxes. 



Just my humble opinion....