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| Only the Top is paint and thats a paint I sure wouldn't mind having on the papers.
Cierra Chapman has had great success with her horses outta that Texas Hero line. Might fb msg her for info another her paint Another Hero.
There is no junk in that pedigree. They were just idiots. Possibly were just looking for a reason to say no to you and thats all they could come up with.
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| as i mentioned before, paints just are not selling. Sierrs gets het nice psints from her aunt. Right now her aunt has some very nice horsrs for ssle snd just are not selling |
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Location: British Columbia | Wether I'm buying for keeps or resale, I actively avoid paints. They don't sell.
I live your horses papers, but would not personally buy. It's terrible, but it's a common mentality.
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| streakysox - 2017-02-11 6:38 PM
as i mentioned before, paints just are not selling. Sierrs gets het nice psints from her aunt. Right now her aunt has some very nice horsrs for ssle snd just are not selling
Gets them from her aunt? I thought they owned the broodmares? I know her aunt has paints but they bred them and I don't ever remember her thanking her aunt for the ones she's down good on.
I don't know them well though and I'm not from that area but the ones I was referring to were the ones her dad had trained on the track and they are now broodmares
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| I honestly don't know why there's such a stigma against paints for resale value and it drives me up the wall! I am selling an extremely well bred paint filly right now (solid sorrel) and as soon as people hear shes APHA they shy away?? She has excellent bloodlines and conformation and I have her priced cheap simply because people aren't buying! And they don't even show AQHA... |
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| I honestly don't know why there's such a stigma against paints for resale value and it drives me up the wall! I am selling an extremely well bred paint filly right now (solid sorrel) and as soon as people hear shes APHA they shy away?? She has excellent bloodlines and conformation and I have her priced cheap simply because people aren't buying! And they don't even show AQHA... |
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| Like I mentioned in your other post, I have nothing against paints except that the resale value is not good. And when you are on the business side of things you have to go with what is most marketable. From what I understand, awhile back the paint industry focused more on color than conformation and ability. Maybe that is when the stigma about them developed. I do think that has changed but the stigma still remains. Your mare is nice, I'm really impressed with how well she rides, and her papers are great, too.
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Location: Oklahoma | My parents owned both the mare and stud. I cannot remember if they sold the mare before this colt was born or not. I believe they are probably listed as the breeders (Churchwell). Texas Six was on his way to becoming the next big Paint sire before his untimely death and the mare is a super nice mare. The Chuchwells have been named Champion breeders and have bred many World Champion horses. I know this filly and she is nice, I would not hesitate a minute before buying her. |
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Location: Glendive Mt. | She is bred very nice, no junk at all. Is, she colored?? |
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If someone doesn't want her just because she is a paint, remind them that there are a number of paint horses through the years that have qualified for the NFR:
Twila Haller, Suzzanne Faucett, Kim West, Joyce Jackson - I'm sure there are more that I am forgetting. |
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Location: Texas | I tried to look at your ad but the video is marked private. Maybe you changed your ad.
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Location: MT | Not one that I would shy away from at all just because she's APHA. You will find the right buyer, just give it time. And she may wind up kicking the butts of those who passed her up because of her being a paint.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have 3 solid paints in my pasture. They're QHs with paint papers to me. AQHA bloodlines, and you can't tell the difference until you see the APHA on their papers. I don't know why anyone would care, the clock sure doesn't. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-02-12 9:23 AM
I have 3 solid paints in my pasture. They're QHs with paint papers to me. AQHA bloodlines, and you can't tell the difference until you see the APHA on their papers. I don't know why anyone would care, the clock sure doesn't.
Ditto, I have one too, with my daughter he pulled 1D checks at 500+ super shows.
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Location: CTX | I really have no idea, but when I first started racing (came from the "dark" side of English ) I heard some people say "paints are idiots!"
Honestly, I don't look at color anyway... my mom was highly surprised when we bought a gray mare..... since she didn't think I liked them... but if the horse has nice bloodlines, and I like the way it moves and acts when I try it out I would buy it, if and when I was looking.
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| Everyone has their likes or dislikes or they have been brought up with beliefs about certain things or have had an incident in their life that causes them to think in this manner. Like the other post said it may have been their only 'reason' to not purchase. I'm not sure where you are located but every paint horse we've shown and won on has been priced accordingly and they all sold. I don't want to ride anything that isn't a paint and if it isn't colored I don't want it....that's just my preference. As far as papers they become irrelevant if the horse does everything it's supposed to. If the horse is by the greatest mare and stallion and you can't get it to go in the arena and place those papers won't make him go in and perform. I understand resale but most people go on their performance especially if it's a mare, otherwise why breed a mare that isn't any good? Lately I've seen a lot of people buying paints - The right buyer always comes along!
BTW - I have a Dash Ta Fame/ Frenchmans Guy/ Dash for Cash - Bay and white and the color makes her worth way more to me - she is QH bred with all the looks!
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2017-02-11 6:54 PM
streakysox - 2017-02-11 6:38 PM
as i mentioned before, paints just are not selling. Sierrs gets het nice psints from her aunt. Right now her aunt has some very nice horsrs for ssle snd just are not selling
Gets them from her aunt? I thought they owned the broodmares? I know her aunt has paints but they bred them and I don't ever remember her thanking her aunt for the ones she's down good on.
I don't know them well though and I'm not from that area but the ones I was referring to were the ones her dad had trained on the track and they are now broodmares
I think they do have some broodmares but tight knit family and change horses back and forth. Think you missed my point, paints don't sell regardless of quality. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I am starting to see sidepots a lot for the paints. And I heard they pay good at their finals. If I ever get mine going I am definitely checking it out! He is a sold paint. Maybe this will help with the sells of them? |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | I love both paints and appys but they both have the same stigma against them...people think they are dumb, unathletic and just not nice horses. I think it will change but it's a slow process to get some of the breeding back to where it should be. I think breeding for color really hurt both breeds and the organizations I have heard are not very supportive of non-colored animals. I don't have any experience with that though. |
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| I don't understand the Paint stigma either. AQHA is a joke up in my country when it comes to speed events, most don't even have them. I prefer papered horses but I don't care if its AQHA or APHA.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | stayceem - 2017-02-13 9:14 AM I don't understand the Paint stigma either. AQHA is a joke up in my country when it comes to speed events, most don't even have them. I prefer papered horses but I don't care if its AQHA or APHA. Send her over to me and I will be happy to have her :)
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as i mentioned before, paints just are not selling. Sierrs gets het nice psints from her aunt. Right now her aunt has some very nice horsrs for ssle snd just are not selling
Gets them from her aunt? I thought they owned the broodmares? I know her aunt has paints but they bred them and I don't ever remember her thanking her aunt for the ones she's down good on.
I don't know them well though and I'm not from that area but the ones I was referring to were the ones her dad had trained on the track and they are now broodmares
I think they do have some broodmares but tight knit family and change horses back and forth. Think you missed my point, paints don't sell regardless of quality.
I'm not sure where you are selling your paints or not selling them but where I'm from they sell, especially the high quality ones. They also sell for good money! |
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| I like her papers. I don't have anything against paints, but I do feel there is a stigma against them. I feel like some breeders focused more on color than conformation. It is a fault in APHA and AQHA. I was going to breed to Texas Six before he died. Spots or no spots - he was nice! can you post a picture or video of your mare? I DO NOT NEED ANOTHER HORSE!! But I like to look!! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I had a jam up jackpot horse back in 2009 that was for sale for 3 years... Reining awards, multiple jackpot awards, pole horse, head horse, goat horse, anything you ask him to do he would do it. Sliding stops, spins, roping, smokin barrel runs and pole runs. He was great! He and I just didn't mesh well.
He started at $6500. No maint products needed. No ulcers. No lameness. Passed every vet exam with flying colors every single time. Always worked great when people would try him. People raved and praised his conformation and his ability. Big hip, kind eyes, cute face, all things I would hear people say about him when they were looking him over. And then they would back out when I pulled out Paint papers... He was a red dun with a strip, snip, and one white sock on his hind leg. Dam was a TB Paint corss and Dad was TB QTR Cross.
I had him listed as "Papered Red Dun Been-There-Done-That Gelding". I thought 6500 for a 10 year old experienced and well awarded gelding was fair...
Finally sold him in a sale for $600....Only one guy bid on him. Opening bid was $750... They had to go down to $600 just to get someone to buy him... The guy that got him said he was going to use him on his ranch to rope cattle on.... I thought that was the biggest waste of his talent.... But no one wanted him because of his papers. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WinningPaints - 2017-02-13 11:36 AM I prefer paints. They have so many more incentives than aqha. I had someone tell me "paints can't run". I just laughed and ignore them.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | When a horse is running in the 1-D it doesn't matter what color or what registry he/she is, you will get the money he/she is worth. |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | You should try selling something with ApHC papers.... Solid color, put together perfect/pretty, all familiar bloodlines as he's 7/8 or so QH, quick, working good, proven siblings, cheap..."but he's got app papers". I'm tempted to advertise him without papers (maybe even for more money)--I bet he'd sell in a heartbeat. It's irritating >:(
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Location: Idaho | moeman17 - 2017-02-12 3:46 PM
People, please help me better understand what that means. I have one for sale and had someone come out and try her, loved everything about her till it came to her paper's.Am i behind on understanding bloodlines? So i need your help to find the junk in her pedigree.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/six+by+six
Horrible bloodlines... you should just send her to me so you don't have to deal with all that!! 
Because you know.. who wouldn't want a Texas Hero, Streakin Six and Dash for Cash on their papers??I love those lines, one day I will have a Streakin Six in my barn!! Just hasn't been in the cards lately. Just keep moving forward, those people passed up on what sounds like to be a nice horse. Everything happens for a reason, You probably didn't want them buying her anyway. |
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| Nevertooold - 2017-02-13 11:41 AM
When a horse is running in the 1-D it doesn't matter what color or what registry he/she is, you will get the money he/she is worth.
Voice of reason!!
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Location: Oklahoma | I have this guy for sale been for sale for a while bred pretty while I think but I cant get no hits on him.. He is pretty working a great pattern husbnad has started riding him t hrough the pastures checking heifers on him.. But I get teh same excuses he is a paint and has to much white...
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | OMG! I LOVE her lines!  I think she just needs to come to my house.
I am hoping next year to breed for my Streakin Six.
There are so many horses out there that are paints and people just don't know it. If you like the horse and it does what you want...Papers are paper.
I know for resale it can get tricky.
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Location: NE Texas | moeman17 - 2017-02-11 5:46 PM
People, please help me better understand what that means. I have one for sale and had someone come out and try her, loved everything about her till it came to her paper's.Am i behind on understanding bloodlines? So i need your help to find the junk in her pedigree.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/six+by+six
Sometimes people are not so smart. I'm starting to prefer paints just b/c their price point is better!! lol
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | sam.kappen - 2017-02-13 1:19 PM I have this guy for sale been for sale for a while bred pretty while I think but I cant get no hits on him.. He is pretty working a great pattern husbnad has started riding him t hrough the pastures checking heifers on him.. But I get teh same excuses he is a paint and has to much white...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/jungle+paint
I hear the same thing. The only difference between them is; one shows the dirt more than the other.
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | RockinGR - 2017-02-13 11:41 AM
You should try selling something with ApHC papers....
Appaloosas allow regular registry for foals that are the result of out crossing to Arabians. That is a huge turn off for me. While I do believe there are good and bad horses in every breed, I buy stock horses. An Appaloosa used to be a stock horse but not if the are crossed with Arabs. That's a pleasure horse, not stock.
Appendix papers aren't much better...
This can be true but if you show your appendix horse and get a ROM then you get regular papers. Or if they run in the track and get a SI of 80 or higher.
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| I really like her bloodlines! I have several paints in my barn. Doesn't bother me a bit! Sorry some people are ridiculous!! |
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| If they were responsible shoppers they would have looked at the pedigree (which I happen to find nice) BEFORE wasting your time. |
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| What I don't get is that the market hasn't changed much since the OP either bought or bred for this horse. Therefore KNEW that the resale on Paints is not as good as an AQHA registered horse, so why be surprised/disappointed now?
Just sayin' because last year I took advantage of the same market and bought an App at 1/2 the price of the paint that my friend bought. I know that but I didn't buy him to sell and I for one, don't ride the papers. My budget was limited so I got the best bang for my buck and I won't whine when/IF I ever sell him. That being said, I have been shocked because at every rodeo I have hauled him to (an unfinished horse that apparently had never seen cows in his life, let alone all the hubbub that goes on at a rodeo and acted accordingly) at least one person asked me to price him. He is starting to run a nice pattern now, and shutting the clock off faster and faster. If he makes the rodeo horse I have hoped and prayed for it is going to take a big chunk of change to pry him out of my hands App or no.
As hubby is fond of saying, there is a big difference in being willing to sell something and HAVING to sell something.
To the OP, I feel your pain, it should NOT make a difference but it always has....try selling a really nice Cremellow gelding BEFORE the AQHA admitted them to the registry. I was astounded at how many people lost interest after hearing/seeing what color he was, accomplishments not withstanding.
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| Samantha Lyne ran a paint named Jimmy Choo at the NFR in 2014 and got some go-round money. Here's his pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mor+jazz
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| Honestly not putting you down at all because I really like the mare but she is a tad over priced IMO.
I think that was the elephant in the room and i'm just going to say it.
I really like her though and I'd offer you $7500 and not a penny more if I had it!
BUT horses are what people are willing to pay and you might have the right buyer come along and snatch her up....just my opinion. |
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Location: OH. IO | giddyuplpn - 2017-02-13 10:02 PM
So where is she advertised ?
She's on here in the state of Illinois.She is nice,but I too think she is over priced,and not because she is a paint. |
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| Maybe one of the problems on this mare is that she is a solid paint. I looked at the ad. She is attractive, looks athletic and cruises a nice set of barrels. I like her - but my first thought was "oh she's solid". I'm definitely no geneticist - so this is just my thinking - but I always look at mares as potential broodmares. I'd want color to increase my chances of getting color. That could be my ignorance about paint genetics. Conformation is ALWAYS my first concern - but I'd be looking for color too. Is a colored paint easier to sell than a solid one? If I was running barrels on it, I could care less if it was solid pink or just had pink spots!
My second thought was to question the price. she is just cruising a pattern and seems to be reasonably broke - so no record to judge the price by. I'm a broke tightwad that has to try to raise quality because I can't afford to buy it. But she looks nice- and I'd have to feel her and judge her ability to be able to say what I thought she was worth. She might really be a diamond and worth more. Pricing is so hard. Hope you get a price you are happy with - I swear drugs have to be a cheaper habit! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I would suggest a rewrite of the horses description. Not being mean but I had to force myself through the entire paragraph after the first run-on sentence and cringed at the poor grammer.
I would leave the parts of her walking along the road out, as well as the parts about you not be a professional. Instead simply state that she is laid back and a willing student. I would add some information on her training and if she has been to any exhibitions/races/etc. I would add if she has any troubles with shoeing/saddling/standing tied/ or if she has any teeth problems or health problems. I would add that vet checks are welcome and would leave the part out about you knowing she's a paint and that you won't be negotiated on price. Simply put instead, Paint papers. Price slightly negotiable to right home. If you plan to continue her training that needs to be added to the ad description. I would get photos of her unsaddled and standing square to show her conformation. Get a halter that fits her good and compliments her color. Good pictures are a must. You'll have to deal with tire kickers either way you go. Being snarky about the paint/price aspect in the ad will turn potential buyers off immedietly simply because you come across as rude.
I am in no way being mean or picking at you I simply think that if the ad was well written and had more information on training/current times/etc and less about other things she may get a potential buyer who could care less about papers. Be professional and get a clean well written ad up to match that 9500 price and you may be surprised what she sells for.  |
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Location: Spokompton, Wa | Paints are a hard sell. I sold one a few years back who was cruising a nice set (he was 6), FG, Biankus and Easy Jet right on his papers. He was a bay tobiano. Only got $4200 for him. And that was from the one and only person who showed any interest. :-/ Selling horses are tough anyway. Good luck to ya. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | moeman17 - 2017-02-14 1:23 PM THANKS. i will work on my bad attitude.
LOL please don't take it personal! I promise I was only trying to help!!
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He started at $6500. No maint products needed. No ulcers. No lameness. Passed every vet exam with flying colors every single time. Always worked great when people would try him. People raved and praised his conformation and his ability. Big hip, kind eyes, cute face, all things I would hear people say about him when they were looking him over. And then they would back out when I pulled out Paint papers... He was a red dun with a strip, snip, and one white sock on his hind leg. Dam was a TB Paint corss and Dad was TB QTR Cross.
I had him listed as "Papered Red Dun Been-There-Done-That Gelding". I thought 6500 for a 10 year old experienced and well awarded gelding was fair...
Finally sold him in a sale for $600....Only one guy bid on him. Opening bid was $750... They had to go down to $600 just to get someone to buy him... The guy that got him said he was going to use him on his ranch to rope cattle on.... I thought that was the biggest waste of his talent.... But no one wanted him because of his papers.
This needs to be an AMC made for tv movie.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2017-02-14 8:41 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-02-13 12:25 PM I had a jam up jackpot horse back in 2009 that was for sale for 3 years... Reining awards, multiple jackpot awards, pole horse, head horse, goat horse, anything you ask him to do he would do it. Sliding stops, spins, roping, smokin barrel runs and pole runs. He was great! He and I just didn't mesh well.
He started at $6500. No maint products needed. No ulcers. No lameness. Passed every vet exam with flying colors every single time. Always worked great when people would try him. People raved and praised his conformation and his ability. Big hip, kind eyes, cute face, all things I would hear people say about him when they were looking him over. And then they would back out when I pulled out Paint papers... He was a red dun with a strip, snip, and one white sock on his hind leg. Dam was a TB Paint corss and Dad was TB QTR Cross.
I had him listed as "Papered Red Dun Been-There-Done-That Gelding". I thought 6500 for a 10 year old experienced and well awarded gelding was fair...
Finally sold him in a sale for $600....Only one guy bid on him. Opening bid was $750... They had to go down to $600 just to get someone to buy him... The guy that got him said he was going to use him on his ranch to rope cattle on.... I thought that was the biggest waste of his talent.... But no one wanted him because of his papers. This needs to be an AMC made for tv movie.
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Location: Millen Ga | moeman17 - 2017-02-14 7:07 PM Not taking it personal, I'm a very simple buyer. When i see a horse i like i call and ask whatever million questions i have. Simple!!
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