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| First let me say that I'm pro hunting and understand the need for population control. I took many wildlife classes in college and actually have a minor in environmental biology. But this taxidermy place on fb has been posting videos of it's traps and it is just turning my stomach.
I do believing in protecting my barn cats and chickens. I have shot a coon for this reason but I just can't imagine taking joy and boasting about trapping a wild cat like this.
What's your opinion? Hubby says I'm a whack job but it honestly hurts my heart to see ppl posting this stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/rosetaxidermy/videos/pcb.741347202693059/74... |
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| I don't care for it very much myself. Kinda cruel IMO. Rather see them shot and put down immediately instead of bring trapped for lord knows how long.. even as much as I hate coyotes I'd not like to see one suffer. |
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| Predator control is a touchy subject. The main issue is that the hunter has to be smarter than the game and they have major advantages of sight, smell, and hearing that make harvesting them difficult.
You can call predators but that is difficult due to their keen sight and smell. You can live trap them, but many are too smart to enter the trap. You can snare them, but can also catch other animals going through the same hole in the fence. Conabear traps kill the game by suffocation usually.
Foot hold traps are meant to hold the game. Most, if you catch the wrong thing, you can release them with some damage to a foot. Not usually life threatening.
Do they need to post it on FB?? Probably not, simply due to all the crazy PETA people out there looking to treat everything like it's your pet. But there IS a major call for predator control, so you have to take some negatives with the positives.
Coyotes, wolves, bobcats, mountain lions, and other predators kill much of the small wildlife in a ecosystem. Rabbits, squirrels, mice, quail, pheasants, and other small game up to racoons, opposums, and then you get rogue groups that kill livestock as well when they are majorly overpopulated. It's all a delicate balance, but when PETA says save them all, then they start killing Fluffy and Fido, everyone goes bonkers.
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  Ms. Marine
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Location: Texas | I believe that predator control is necessary, even though it isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. The taxidermist has to make a living too. If someone doesn't like what they see, they don't have to keep looking. |
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| I do not agree with trapping either. I understand population control, but do it humanely. Put them down instantly. They shouldn't have to suffer. |
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| barrelrider - 2017-02-13 2:09 PM I do not agree with trapping either. I understand population control, but do it humanely. Put them down instantly. They shouldn't have to suffer.
This ^^ They can make a living without the suffering |
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| BarrelRacing4Christ - 2017-02-13 2:04 PM
I believe that predator control is necessary, even though it isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. The taxidermist has to make a living too. If someone doesn't like what they see, they don't have to keep looking.
Predator control can be done with a gun and this guy does this as a hobby. It is the hobby part of this that bothers me. This bobcat is not his property either nor harming any livestock that he was so I just can't see the use in it.
If I kill something I want to use it so that it's life and death meant something. |
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Miss Laundry Misshap
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2017-02-13 2:40 PM BarrelRacing4Christ - 2017-02-13 2:04 PM I believe that predator control is necessary, even though it isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. The taxidermist has to make a living too. If someone doesn't like what they see, they don't have to keep looking. Predator control can be done with a gun and this guy does this as a hobby. It is the hobby part of this that bothers me. This bobcat is not his property either nor harming any livestock that he was so I just can't see the use in it. If I kill something I want to use it so that it's life and death meant something.
Anyone who traps does it to sell hides. They do it for predator control, but it's also for monetary benfit. They sell the hides, which usually get shipped to Canada and Russia.
I don't know any trapper that traps an animal to kill it and throw it in a ditch.
They certainly don't trap them to eat them. YUK! If you've ever skinned a coon, you'd understand! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Are bobcats endangered? Do they often impact livestock to any significant extent? This isn't my cup of tea, but I'd still like to know if this kind of predator control is necessary. I just don't know. I have a lot of friends who have a lot of mounted fish and game in their homes and I always enjoy looking at them, but I've never been crazy about the idea in my own home.....just my personal taste, I guess. I did catch a record steelhead once and had it mounted. Didn't do much for me, and I eventually took it down. I don't even know what happened to it. I don't think I would get much satisfaction from killing this bobcat, but that's just me. I don't like killing things unless I can eat them or give them to someone who will......and I don't have any friends who eat cats. |
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Miss Laundry Misshap
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| It's all about the fur trade. Bobcats at auction were averaging 34.75 a pelt. That's for one hide. $25 - $55 depending on size.
Raccoons sadly this year were bringing $3 average.
Otters - $30-$50 depending on size
Fox $14-25
Coyote $12-30
A full bobcat fur coat can bring up to $150,000 in the right area and market. I know that it's looked down upon by most, because the methods aren't considered very humane. But if those furs are part of your income, you try to find the best hides you can to get top dollar. Foot hold traps don't damage any fur. A gun blows a hole, sometimes two right through the best part.
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| Nateracer - 2017-02-13 3:09 PM It's all about the fur trade. Bobcats at auction were averaging 34.75 a pelt. That's for one hide. $25 - $55 depending on size.
Raccoons sadly this year were bringing $3 average.
Otters - $30-$50 depending on size
Fox $14-25
Coyote $12-30
A full bobcat fur coat can bring up to $150,000 in the right area and market. I know that it's looked down upon by most, because the methods aren't considered very humane. But if those furs are part of your income, you try to find the best hides you can to get top dollar. Foot hold traps don't damage any fur. A gun blows a hole, sometimes two right through the best part.
2 years ago a bobcat pelt was going for $500 a piece. |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-02-13 3:12 PM Nateracer - 2017-02-13 3:09 PM It's all about the fur trade. Bobcats at auction were averaging 34.75 a pelt. That's for one hide. $25 - $55 depending on size.
Raccoons sadly this year were bringing $3 average.
Otters - $30-$50 depending on size
Fox $14-25
Coyote $12-30
A full bobcat fur coat can bring up to $150,000 in the right area and market. I know that it's looked down upon by most, because the methods aren't considered very humane. But if those furs are part of your income, you try to find the best hides you can to get top dollar. Foot hold traps don't damage any fur. A gun blows a hole, sometimes two right through the best part.
2 years ago a bobcat pelt was going for $500 a piece.
Yes, the market has been lousy here lately. |
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| Nateracer - 2017-02-13 3:09 PM It's all about the fur trade. Bobcats at auction were averaging 34.75 a pelt. That's for one hide. $25 - $55 depending on size.
Raccoons sadly this year were bringing $3 average.
Otters - $30-$50 depending on size
Fox $14-25
Coyote $12-30
A full bobcat fur coat can bring up to $150,000 in the right area and market. I know that it's looked down upon by most, because the methods aren't considered very humane. But if those furs are part of your income, you try to find the best hides you can to get top dollar. Foot hold traps don't damage any fur. A gun blows a hole, sometimes two right through the best part.
So how do they kill them once in the traps? Whatever the reasoning is to not trap in a more humane way, to not destroy the fur or pelt, it is cruel, no way around that. Use a live box trap.
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Is it really worth 35 bucks to trap and kill a bobcat? How many bobcat hides can a person reasonably expect to collect in a given year? I have a feeling it's a novelty sorta thing. Maybe it makes some people feel like a badass? I can't imagine bobcats are a huge threat to any livestock, except maybe chickens. |
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| Married to an AVID hunter. And he has at least one friend who traps on a fairly large scale. BUT I will never appreciate that a hunter/trapper, whatever, stopped and took the time to take multiple pictures of an animal clearly in distress. Even if they aren't physically hurting (they must be) they are terrified to be in that close proximity to humans I'd imagine. Dispatch them humanely immidiately. Don't pose for FB!! |
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That's White "Man" to You
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| In Utah each hunter could obtain 4 permits. They dont always know what the price is going to be, so many will tan the hide and hold it until the prices are back up around $500. We also have state sponsored bounty on coyotes...$50 each. |
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Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere | We put traps out....not really knowing what we would catch. We lost two 300-400 lb. calves within 2 months of each other and these were healthy calves. We tried using the dead carcasses to catch whatever did the killing, we didn't know if it was coyotes or mountain lions as we were told they were in the area. We watch, waited and finally we put the traps out. We caught 8 coyotes (and a skunk) within a couple of months. But we also didn't take any pictures of the coyotes caught. |
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Location: Northwest | My father in law traps. Mostly just bobcat in the winter time. He uses live traps (cages). It is humane as far as traps go. He is retired and yes it is sporting. He sells the hides. A month ago, multiple bobcats got into the neighbor's chicken coop and killed 36 chickens over the course of two nights.
Edited to add: a bobcat also killed some of my mom's piglets.
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| Nateracer - 2017-02-13 2:48 PM
runfastturnsmooth - 2017-02-13 2:40 PM BarrelRacing4Christ - 2017-02-13 2:04 PM I believe that predator control is necessary, even though it isn't the most pleasant thing in the world. The taxidermist has to make a living too. If someone doesn't like what they see, they don't have to keep looking. Predator control can be done with a gun and this guy does this as a hobby. It is the hobby part of this that bothers me. This bobcat is not his property either nor harming any livestock that he was so I just can't see the use in it. If I kill something I want to use it so that it's life and death meant something.
I don't know any trapper that traps an animal to kill it and throw it in a ditch.
They certainly don't trap them to eat them. YUK! If you've ever skinned a coon, you'd understand!
I have skinned a coon actually! The one we shot that ate my barn kitties 
Gave the tail to a rough neck friend that ropes and wears them as a shoofly. The coon however attacked not once but twice and the barn booger just was too smart for a live trap for relocation, thus he met his end for eating my cats.
We have bobcats that live up the holler. I see them as majestic and they have yet to bother anything and they have been there maybe 10-12yrs we've been seeing them. You can sometimes here them when things are silent. They stay back up in the cove mostly and don't venture down and run when you come upon them.
This guy doesn't sale hides. He killed it to mount. I guess he sales after mounting I don't know. I still find this so stomach turning. |
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| star1218 - 2017-02-13 3:25 PM
Married to an AVID hunter. And he has at least one friend who traps on a fairly large scale. BUT I will never appreciate that a hunter/trapper, whatever, stopped and took the time to take multiple pictures of an animal clearly in distress. Even if they aren't physically hurting (they must be) they are terrified to be in that close proximity to humans I'd imagine. Dispatch them humanely immidiately. Don't pose for FB!!
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| Bear - 2017-02-13 3:23 PM
Is it really worth 35 bucks to trap and kill a bobcat? How many bobcat hides can a person reasonably expect to collect in a given year? I have a feeling it's a novelty sorta thing. Maybe it makes some people feel like a badass? I can't imagine bobcats are a huge threat to any livestock, except maybe chickens.
My thinking too! We have chickens but the cats up in the cove have never bothered them. We put them up at night and have motion lighting along with outside dogs. I've seen a couple cats in the day on trails in the distance and they run like a scalded dog once they glimpse you. I can't imagine a bobcat killing a calf and never once have they bothered our cattle.
Coyotes we've had a problem with and we hunted them but never put a picture on fb and it was a quick end. We never hunt the coyotes unless they bother us either. Call it gyspy or folklore but we hang skins on the fence....they don't eat our cattle anymore. I believe they are smart enough to know to stay their distance because we can hear them howl when the train comes through and they pass through our yard BUT it has been maybe 8 yrs since one has harmed any livestock.
I dunno. I just don't bother killing wild animals until they pose a threat to your way of life and making a living. I've never thought about it as a way of living? I just can't see the market being good enough for that to be a way of making a living. I know ppl who hunt/trap around here but it is only as a hobby that they do this or as supplemental income. Also, those ppl know better than to ask about trapping on my land LOL |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Some trap/hunt predators to help increase the population of prey animals like turkey poults and deer fawns. If the predators get too numerous in an area...that's a bad thing. Some here do it to protect their livestock. A farmer near us shot two bobcats that were on his farm killing his chickens. He gave me the carcasses and I skinned/tanned the hides so they didn't entirely go to waste. I didn't blame him for protecting his stock.
But pictures of live animals in traps does not sit well with me. I can shoot a predator. Quick humane end...but I'm not going to trap as they do suffer pain and distress for a time until they are found/killed. |
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| runfastturnsmooth - 2017-02-13 7:32 PM
Bear - 2017-02-13 3:23 PM
Is it really worth 35 bucks to trap and kill a bobcat? How many bobcat hides can a person reasonably expect to collect in a given year? I have a feeling it's a novelty sorta thing. Maybe it makes some people feel like a badass? I can't imagine bobcats are a huge threat to any livestock, except maybe chickens.
My thinking too! We have chickens but the cats up in the cove have never bothered them. We put them up at night and have motion lighting along with outside dogs. I've seen a couple cats in the day on trails in the distance and they run like a scalded dog once they glimpse you. I can't imagine a bobcat killing a calf and never once have they bothered our cattle.
Coyotes we've had a problem with and we hunted them but never put a picture on fb and it was a quick end. We never hunt the coyotes unless they bother us either. Call it gyspy or folklore but we hang skins on the fence....they don't eat our cattle anymore. I believe they are smart enough to know to stay their distance because we can hear them howl when the train comes through and they pass through our yard BUT it has been maybe 8 yrs since one has harmed any livestock.
I dunno. I just don't bother killing wild animals until they pose a threat to your way of life and making a living. I've never thought about it as a way of living? I just can't see the market being good enough for that to be a way of making a living. I know ppl who hunt/trap around here but it is only as a hobby that they do this or as supplemental income. Also, those ppl know better than to ask about trapping on my land LOL
It might be gypsy folklore or what ever but I can vouch that they know. When we moved on to our property 7 years ago we had a terrible coyote problem. They would come on to our property and try to call our dogs out, they ate all the barn cats and the first set of chickens. They came at all times of day and night with no pattern to speak of. That first 8 months we killed 5 of them on the property less than 100 yards from our house. We have had one lone young male make a round or two since. My husband and I both have missed him on separate occasions about 3 weeks apart from each other but he hasn't been back in 6 months.
We can hear them in the evenings howling in the brush line along our fence but they don't step foot on the property. Or at least they don't come on when we are home. |
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Location: Florida.. | Nateracer - 2017-02-13 4:09 PM It's all about the fur trade. Bobcats at auction were averaging 34.75 a pelt. That's for one hide. $25 - $55 depending on size.
Raccoons sadly this year were bringing $3 average.
Otters - $30-$50 depending on size
Fox $14-25
Coyote $12-30
A full bobcat fur coat can bring up to $150,000 in the right area and market. I know that it's looked down upon by most, because the methods aren't considered very humane. But if those furs are part of your income, you try to find the best hides you can to get top dollar. Foot hold traps don't damage any fur. A gun blows a hole, sometimes two right through the best part.
Its cruel.. They have no compassion for animals.. Im not a PETA lover.. but thats just a horrible way to make a animal suffer.. id like to have him step on the trap.. all for the bucks.. do it humane if you have to .i see no reason to kill a bobcat in his territory.. nor use foot traps.. disgusting.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Its wrong, killing for pleasure is wrong wrong wrong and then to brag about it so you can feel good about yourself ITS WRONG.. |
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Location: Wild Wild West | Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-14 7:10 PM Its wrong, killing for pleasure is wrong wrong wrong and then to brag about it so you can feel good about yourself ITS WRONG..
And it does NOT need to be posted on FB. Or anywhere. |
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A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hot Rod - 2017-02-14 9:40 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-14 7:10 PM Its wrong, killing for pleasure is wrong wrong wrong and then to brag about it so you can feel good about yourself ITS WRONG.. And it does NOT need to be posted on FB. Or anywhere.
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