Posted 2017-02-22 8:33 AM Subject: Hip high genetic?
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Just curious if we know if this is a genetic trait? Why some horses end up downhill permanently while others even out in the end? Certain lines over others?
Posted 2017-02-22 9:26 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
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I'd say the best guess is it's a genetic malfunction. Is there a specific gene, probably not. But the combinations of some horses just work out that way, but I've never heard of a specific stud or mare family that specifically throws downhill foals.
Posted 2017-02-22 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
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Nateracer - 2017-02-22 9:26 AM
I'd say the best guess is it's a genetic malfunction. Is there a specific gene, probably not. But the combinations of some horses just work out that way, but I've never heard of a specific stud or mare family that specifically throws downhill foals.
So if I bred a hip high horse any guesses on what the results would be for the foal?
Posted 2017-02-22 11:58 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
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Posts: 3815 Location: The best kept secret in TX
My gelding was actually gelded because his withers were higher than his hip...Opposite of your question I realize. Breeder considered him a "cull". His papers are excellent. He would've made a great stud horse on paper alone but I have to agree with the guy who bred him... He's not pretty to look at. He can run tho so that's all that matters to me I guess. He has The Ole Man, Three Bars, Leo, Mr San Peppy and multiple other older lines all over his papers. Conformation just didn't work out in his favor. He sticks just shy of 17 hands.... He's oddly built... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=check&search_bar=horse&h=mr+lee+san+peppy&g=5&inbred=All+Duplicates
Posted 2017-02-22 12:47 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
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ImaSparkyAce - 2017-02-22 8:33 AM
Just curious if we know if this is a genetic trait? Why some horses end up downhill permanently while others even out in the end? Certain lines over others?
It's a confirmation fault and any faults you can just assume will be passed on.
My dad always said breed the best to the best and hope for the best. A lot of times that doesn't even work
Posted 2017-02-23 10:41 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Champ
Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm
I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill.
I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not.
I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip.
IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for.
ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic.
Posted 2017-02-23 10:58 AM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Neat Freak
Posts: 11216 Location: Wonderful Wyoming
OregonBR - 2017-02-23 9:41 AM I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill. I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not. I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip. IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for. ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic.
Thank you! Great explaination. Yes many FG's are built a tad downhill. They obviously perform pretty darn well
Posted 2017-02-23 12:31 PM Subject: RE: Hip high genetic?
Champ
Posts: 19623 Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-23 8:58 AM
OregonBR - 2017-02-23 9:41 AM I don't consider being hip high (I call it downhill) to be a "fault". Though I personally don't want to ride a horse that is downhill. It hurts my back. In some disciplines it's not a problem at all. There are many very good race horses that are downhill and they are some of the fastest in the world. Special Effort was one of the best racehorse stallions of all time and he was definitely downhill. FG sires horses that are downhill. Judge Cash is downhill. I do know that many times these horses will level up when they are mature. Some do not. I also don't consider withers higher than hip to be a fault. I would like to ride that horse more so than the opposite. Many TB's are higher in the withers than the hip. IMO It's not a fault unless if affects the discipline the horse is intended for. ETA: Of course it's genetic. Conformation is genetic.
Thank you! Great explaination. Yes many FG's are built a tad downhill. They obviously perform pretty darn well
Yes they do. And there are so many more positives to the FG horses than the negatives. The babies o/o my FG daughter by HAB are turning out to be little stars.
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