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| So I made the mistake of buying a DTF own daughter out of a mare sired by Mr. Jess Perry in LA. She looked beautiful from her pictures. So I bought her and sent her off to training...Well I get her home to NC and she looks like she just came off a trailer for a kill pen. I had my vet look her over and he said she is fine but has been badly abused and not fed. She has ribs showing, ewe neck, etc and is extremely head shy. What can I do to get her fattened up and looking better ASAP? |
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| I feel so bad for her. She is build so beautifully but right now looks like absolute hell. My vet said "hide this one so you don't get charged for cruelty"....She is just so bad looking I cried for her. |
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Location: OH. IO | ktbeasleyze - 2017-02-24 1:09 PM
I feel so bad for her. She is build so beautifully but right now looks like absolute hell. My vet said "hide this one so you don't get charged for cruelty"....She is just so bad looking I cried for her.
She came from a trainer that way???? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I sent you a pm. I would treat for ulcers, deworm and check teeth. Make sure those are all good, and then you will know she is set to be able to utilize what you feed her. The head shy, I would just love on her as much as you can. Let her know you aren't going to smack her around. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2017-02-24 12:16 PM
ktbeasleyze - 2017-02-24 1:09 PM
I feel so bad for her. She is build so beautifully but right now looks like absolute hell. My vet said "hide this one so you don't get charged for cruelty"....She is just so bad looking I cried for her.
She came from a trainer that way????
Thats what I'm reading too, did you confront the trainer about this? |
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| Yes I confronted the trainer and she tried to make out like it wasn't her fault my filly was stupid....I said "yeah cause tying a horse's head down and lounging her is really teaching her anything" ugh....The cops are involved |
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Location: OH. IO | OMGOSH.i can't even calm myself down much less try to comfort you :(((I agree with everything Wyoming barrel racer says.Poor thing....Just remember you can't fix her ASAP.it will be a slow process .I would feed MULTIPLE VERY SMALL MEALS PER DAY TO START AND GREAT HAY.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I hope that you took pictures of this filly when you got her back from this sorry a** person.. Lots and lots of head rubs and loving for this filly.. |
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Location: OH. IO | Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-24 1:35 PM
I hope that you took pictures of this filly when you got her back from this sorry a** person.. Lots and lots of head rubs and loving for this filly..
Right!!!I'm at my cardiologist appt.he will probably send me to ER cause of how bad my heart is pounding after reading this!!!Lol.IGNORANT PEOPLE.HOPE THE TRAINER GETS FRIED! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2017-02-24 12:37 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-02-24 1:35 PM I hope that you took pictures of this filly when you got her back from this sorry a** person.. Lots and lots of head rubs and loving for this filly.. Right!!!I'm at my cardiologist appt.he will probably send me to ER cause of how bad my heart is pounding after reading this!!!Lol.IGNORANT PEOPLE.HOPE THE TRAINER GETS FRIED!
That so called/wantabe trainer needs her butt kicked.. jake stop reading these threads we want you better not worst,  |
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Location: Deep South | ktbeasleyze - 2017-02-24 12:09 PM I feel so bad for her. She is build so beautifully but right now looks like absolute hell. My vet said "hide this one so you don't get charged for cruelty"....She is just so bad looking I cried for her.
I would take pics from every angle and post them on my FB, blasting the "trainers" names while I was at it. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Time is your friend in this situation..takes a long time for one to come back...m |
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| I am so sorry this happened to you. I sent my gelding off for 45 days to get ridden. He was FAT when he left and when I went to pick him up he was a bag of bones. Same thing - trainer tried to tell me he had a round bale in front of him 24/7, got grain, etc. I called her BS and while I never got a dime back of my money - I don't believe my horse EVER got ridden in those 45 days either, (or fed for that matter - he tips the scale at over 1350 in shape and when I picked him up he had last AT LEAST 200 lbs.) word of mouth is a powerful instrument. She is a POS as far as I am concrerned and took clear advantage. For the record - I did my homework and checked around and got good feedback on this "trainer." NEVER again. I hope your horse is okay. So sorry you are dealing with this. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I feel for you and my heart breaks for your filly. But I will tell you that this will be a very long and slow process. And I hope that you are righted by the "trainer" for making a nice horse to be this sort of mess. But I will also add that I have a GD of MJP and she was about fried on the pattern and just plain pleasure riding when I got her. She was thin and her teeth were a hot mess. I took care of the health issues and let me tell you that what I've found is that this line is very smart, forgiving and has a lot of willingness to try and please. I can't speak for the DTF line as I've never owned one of those. But the MJP should come around with time and patience. They do develop a bond with a person with a gentle hand. Mine is becoming a one person horse. Good luck in rehabbing your filly. |
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| I am going to send you my formula that I have been using. A friend saved a 27 yr old mare in Sept who had just foaled and was probably 200-300 lbs under weight. Her baby was only 35 lbs but they both survived and look great the vet recently checked on them and wanted to know about what we had been feeding. Of course good hay is first and foremost. |
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| It is sad that your horse went through this.
I am writing this in hopes to educate horse owners.
When picking out a trainer make sure you go to the place, look at the other horses, even ask how long they have been there, that way you will have a good idea of how they treat the horses.
Have open communication with the trainer, do call every day, once a week is a good starting point. Direct the conversation, ask how she is settling in to the program, how is her body condition doing.
Be prepared for the horse to loose some weight, the stress of training can cause horses to loose weight, and if the trainer is spending time on them, they will loose some.
Figure out if the trainer will feed food you bring, done expect a discount on the bill.
The trainer I use her fees include good quality hay, anything else I need to pay for. I take over feed, and the trainer texts me if she is running low.
I also send a wormer to be given a week or two into training, I find after the transition from not being displined to the training regime they are more susceptible. |
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Location: Arkansas | I am so sorry for your girl and for you. Some people make me want to slap the snot out of them; they don't deserve to be around these magnificent animals, much less actually put their hands on them. Sending y'all nothing but good thoughts and best wishes for getting lined back out. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | How many times has this same story been covered on this forum?? Ultimately the horses condition is the responsibility of the owner. I do not understand this mentality of dumping a horse at the trainers and not physically checking on their welll being. A horse does not decline to a "bag of bones" over night. |
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Location: OH. IO | Hope the filly is doing OK tonight and knows she's in a safe place now. |
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Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!! Owners, pay attention, check on your horses every week while at the trainer's place!
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| Runaway - 2017-02-25 8:16 PM
Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!!
Please don't say we need more governing.
Right now in Alberta the veterinary association is trying to make it illegal to hire chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists unless you have direct veterinary supervision |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | cheryl makofka - 2017-02-25 7:19 PM Runaway - 2017-02-25 8:16 PM
Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!!
Please don't say we need more governing. Right now in Alberta the veterinary association is trying to make it illegal to hire chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists unless you have direct veterinary supervision
I agree. Pretty soon they will tell you what animals you are allowed to have, what you have to do for a job etc. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-26 10:58 AM cheryl makofka - 2017-02-25 7:19 PM Runaway - 2017-02-25 8:16 PM
Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!!
Please don't say we need more governing. Right now in Alberta the veterinary association is trying to make it illegal to hire chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists unless you have direct veterinary supervision
I guess that I read her statement as saying....we need stiffer "abuse" laws..... and stiff consequences for those trainers who treat horses like this ..... JMO! |
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| I am going to give everyone a heads up too. Choose some who others recommend. If a barrel horse trainer, watch what they are running notice the condition of the horses that the person is running. I take good care of my horses but my trainer takes even better care than I do. Out of about 200 barrel horses at a large quarter horses show, the horses that my trainer had there were the best fitted, the best groomed , and the best fed. She has had my horse for 2 years and whenever I go over ther the horse is perfectly groomed and happy. I might add that her stalls are cleaned anytime a horse poops. There is never manure in a stall or urine either
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Location: Kansas | Best to "not" let them know you're coming if you're checking. Kind of like when people are coming to your house you do a lot of extra cleaning but if they just drop in "whoops."
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | NJJ - 2017-02-26 11:42 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-26 10:58 AM cheryl makofka - 2017-02-25 7:19 PM Runaway - 2017-02-25 8:16 PM
Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!!
Please don't say we need more governing. Right now in Alberta the veterinary association is trying to make it illegal to hire chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists unless you have direct veterinary supervision
That makes more sense. I say HANG EM!!! |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-27 9:31 AM
NJJ - 2017-02-26 11:42 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-26 10:58 AM cheryl makofka - 2017-02-25 7:19 PM Runaway - 2017-02-25 8:16 PM
Stuff like this makes me absolutely hate a lot of horse people. This industry needs closer and stricter governing!!!!
Please don't say we need more governing. Right now in Alberta the veterinary association is trying to make it illegal to hire chiropractors, massage therapists, acupuncturists unless you have direct veterinary supervision
If you get the word out who the trainer was so that no one use the person, their clientele will probably be limited. You certainly need before and after pictures. |
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| This is just plain awful! so very sorry :-(
Call me crazy but every time I have sent one of my horses to any trainer, I would go and check on them often, regardless if they were either one hour away or 5! but that's just me.
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| SC Wrangler - 2017-02-25 2:22 PM How many times has this same story been covered on this forum?? Ultimately the horses condition is the responsibility of the owner. I do not understand this mentality of dumping a horse at the trainers and not physically checking on their welll being. A horse does not decline to a "bag of bones" over night.
You are right, but when said trainer is a trusted "friend" you have no reason to doubt them. Pictures can also be deceiving on condition - because I asked and got pictures and he didn't look bad. Only when I picked him up was I shocked at my horse's condition. |
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| SC Wrangler - 2017-02-25 4:22 PM
How many times has this same story been covered on this forum?? Ultimately the horses condition is the responsibility of the owner. I do not understand this mentality of dumping a horse at the trainers and not physically checking on their welll being. A horse does not decline to a "bag of bones" over night.
I totally agree! You're sending them to a trainer, but the horse is still your responsibility! Last horse we sent to a trainer, after multiple referrals and seeing other horses he'd ridden, started out ok with contact often. Said he would send videos. Then the horse got hurt and needed $$ for shoes, hmm ok, next week no contact and couldn't get a hold of him so I said I'll just bring him home. I didn't have a good feeling anymore. Took TWO WEEKS after that to finally get the horse and he left him and another horse lose in stalls at a roping. He kept the halters and I had no idea who this other horse belonged to. Both were thin, but the other horse was a lot worse off than mine. I don't think my horse was even rode and no shoes on him. I think the guy had some personal issues going on..  |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Being a young horse she'll make a come back don't worm just yet let her gut adjust to having feed. put on a good pre/probiotic. I'm impressed with Forco and plenty of hay no grain yet. love on her daily , animals are smarter than we think. Good luck with her.
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Location: Texas | We can all be too trusting. A friend of my son sent a horse to a trainer to rope on. Owner ropes and trainer after a couple of months didn't think he was a good roping prospect. Ok so the horse is bred to run barrels. Owner sends him to former NFR qualifier who kept him for several months. Trainer was several states away but could never get any video to see his progress so he finally just went to get him. This is a really sweet horse. Calm and really no bad habits, but skinny, skinny, skinny. Owner sent him to my son for his girls to ride to get their thoughts. He works a decent pattern and is easy to get along with but he needs groceries. There is no reason for this horse to be in the shape he is in. He has a lot of money invested in this horse between the cost of the horse and the 2 trainers. Sadly, the owner trusted this trainer by reputation and did not ask enough questions. |
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Location: OH. IO | Hoping your girl is doing OK.any updates?I'm guilty of being to trusting,hugs to you. |
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Location: OH. IO | Hoping you will give an update on your filly:) |
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New Filly....Abused and neglected