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Location: Wyoming | We bought some nice broodmares well sent in DNA and one came back not as should. Her sire is incorrect. Called the lady she insists that not another stallion Around for at least 49 miles and no possible way since she was hand bred. So now I have a unregistered mare and 2 of her foals. I've never come across this issue before what's my recourse? |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would say not much. I am hearing more and more of this, especially those that AI with shipped semen. YIKES. I was apparently the last to know that Streakin Wink was not by ASOF and out of WINK. That hit hard. I finally found a ASOF that was to die for gorgeous. |
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| I would ask for a retest. Send in new samples. If it comes back the same way it did the first time then trust that it was correct. This would not be the first time someone did some funny business with papers and breeding reports. It could also be an error at the lab.
Was this a recent purchase? If the breeding in not correct I would think this would be a cut and dry civil case.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | what Slo said. Especially if she has foals. I thought they had to be DNA's to register any offspring? Track horses have to be parentage verified. |
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Location: SE KS | I don't know the details of your situation, however, if you have any ideas of a possible sire, submit those names to AQHA as possible sires. They (last time I knew) would check to see if any of your possibles were a match.
I had a mare who apparently by an act of god was bred, I submitted DNA on both mare & foal, looked up every possible horse I could find owned by the people where the mare came from and sent the info in. Sadly in my case i wasn't able to find the sire, but everyone I dealt with at AQHA was great!!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Have her retested, I would so you can be sure.. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Runninformoney - 2017-02-24 10:56 AM
We bought some nice broodmares well sent in DNA and one came back not as should. Her sire is incorrect. Called the lady she insists that not another stallion Around for at least 49 miles and no possible way since she was hand bred. So now I have a unregistered mare and 2 of her foals. I've never come across this issue before what's my recourse?
Just trying to get the full picture. Is the mare AQHA registered? Was she the result of a live cover or on farm A-I conception? |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-24 2:01 PM I would say not much. I am hearing more and more of this, especially those that AI with shipped semen. YIKES. I was apparently the last to know that Streakin Wink was not by ASOF and out of WINK. That hit hard. I finally found a ASOF that was to die for gorgeous.
Go look at his full brother that JB has. Belongs to Wade.
Looks as good and is what he's supposed to be |
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| Did the previous owner buy the mares or raise them? How long have you had the mares? Did the previous owner have foals from the mares?
I would say that thr recourse you have is to get you money back because you did not get what you paid for. I you have had the mares a year or more, i would say that you don't have much of a case. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | 1DSoon - 2017-02-24 1:43 PM
wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-24 2:01 PM I would say not much. I am hearing more and more of this, especially those that AI with shipped semen. YIKES. I was apparently the last to know that Streakin Wink was not by ASOF and out of WINK. That hit hard. I finally found a ASOF that was to die for gorgeous.
Go look at his full brother that JB has. Belongs to Wade.
Looks as good and is what he's supposed to be
I've heard he was nice. Haven't seen either in person, but I preferred the one that was actually by the Flashlight stud. Of course that is just comparing pictures. |
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Location: Wyoming | The previous owner raised this mare as well as the others we purchased 5 of them. I should of got DNA probably before breeding the mare but I didn't and have never had an issue till now(lesson learned) I have a 2016 foal and she's currently in foal. I had the 2016 foal sold but told them I wanted to wait till all paperwork was back.
This mare was raised in big pastures with little handling so I was a little delayed getting the hair sample because we had to round her up first.
AQHA is sure the test is correct since her dam tested as such. They said on 7 different genetic tests the sire proved incorrect.
I had the foal sold for a good amount now the colt in my opinion isn't worth crap and neither is the one she carrying. Then this woman says I wanted to get a colt my family wants a colt ( she sold these mares pretty cheap according to her) I told her you can have this one since I can't register it she told me that wasn't fair! I said it wasn't fair I was sold a unregistered mare. AQHA has been more than helpful I must add. We shall see the next chapter |
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| Runninformoney - 2017-02-24 3:25 PM
The previous owner raised this mare as well as the others we purchased 5 of them. I should of got DNA probably before breeding the mare but I didn't and have never had an issue till now(lesson learned) I have a 2016 foal and she's currently in foal. I had the 2016 foal sold but told them I wanted to wait till all paperwork was back.
This mare was raised in big pastures with little handling so I was a little delayed getting the hair sample because we had to round her up first.
AQHA is sure the test is correct since her dam tested as such. They said on 7 different genetic tests the sire proved incorrect.
I had the foal sold for a good amount now the colt in my opinion isn't worth crap and neither is the one she carrying. Then this woman says I wanted to get a colt my family wants a colt ( she sold these mares pretty cheap according to her) I told her you can have this one since I can't register it she told me that wasn't fair! I said it wasn't fair I was sold a unregistered mare. AQHA has been more than helpful I must add. We shall see the next chapter
I'd ask her how many uncut yearly colts where running with the mares moma since she raised her. It wouldn't be the first time this has happened. Just because she hand bread the stallion does not mean he was the one that got her in foal. |
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Location: Wyoming | Yep asked her that " no way didn't have any other studs or colts. I watched him breed her". Well according to the genetic test it's not the right daddy. I do hope they get it sorted thru it's too dang stressful |
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| Wait! You obviously aren't the last one to know. I'm a lot confused now. Streakin Wink isn't by ASOF, even though he's advertised as such? I missed something somewhere. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | barrelracer66023 - 2017-02-24 3:07 PM
Wait! You obviously aren't the last one to know. I'm a lot confused now. Streakin Wink isn't by ASOF, even though he's advertised as such? I missed something somewhere.
Nope, he's by CS Flashlight and out of Streakin Rewards. Apparently the return has already been made and someone else owns him and will stand him. They found out when they did his 5 panel. 2 colt's looking the same got switched along the way. The real Slim Shady has been gelded (YIKES)! That stud was GORGEOUS regardless of who he is sired/dam by, but wowsa what a mess. My first order of business would be a name change lol. I was so close to breeding to ASOF son. Sounds like everyone handled it really professionally. I bet with Brian's health failing etc, they just slipped through the cracks. They have now implemented microchips to make sure babies are who they are supposed to be. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Runninformoney - 2017-02-24 1:52 PM
Yep asked her that " no way didn't have any other studs or colts. I watched him breed her". Well according to the genetic test it's not the right daddy. I do hope they get it sorted thru it's too dang stressful
What a mess. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I guess my retort back to her statement would be, genetics don't lie. She can either be helpful or she can take them all back and refund your money. I know that won't help a great deal but it's about all you can do if she is in denial. |
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| Oh goodness, that's a shame that the real guy has been gelded. But! Better they find out now then five years from now. I just read the Facebook post relating to the incident, and it does sound very professional. Kudos to all involved! You deal with that many animals and eventually a paperwork slip up is going to happen, we're all humans! |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-24 12:01 PM
I would say not much. I am hearing more and more of this, especially those that AI with shipped semen. YIKES. I was apparently the last to know that Streakin Wink was not by ASOF and out of WINK. That hit hard. I finally found a ASOF that was to die for gorgeous.
The deal with Streakin Wink had nothing to do with a semen mess up. It was a case of papers accidentally being swapped. There is a real Streakin Wink out there. It just wasn't the one they thought it was. So the correct papers are with the right horse now. This was a mix up that was easily solved. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-02-24 4:36 PM
Runninformoney - 2017-02-24 1:52 PM
Yep asked her that " no way didn't have any other studs or colts. I watched him breed her". Well according to the genetic test it's not the right daddy. I do hope they get it sorted thru it's too dang stressful
What a mess. I'm so sorry you're going through this. I guess my retort back to her statement would be, genetics don't lie. She can either be helpful or she can take them all back and refund your money. I know that won't help a great deal but it's about all you can do if she is in denial.
I would think depending on how long you've had the mare, and maybe regardless as I'm not a lawyer, you'd have a case to get your money back on the mare and possibly stud fees/lost income from selling the foals. I'd consider a letter from a lawyer to see if she becomes more helpful. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SKM - 2017-02-25 4:40 AM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-02-24 12:01 PM I would say not much. I am hearing more and more of this, especially those that AI with shipped semen. YIKES. I was apparently the last to know that Streakin Wink was not by ASOF and out of WINK. That hit hard. I finally found a ASOF that was to die for gorgeous. The deal with Streakin Wink had nothing to do with a semen mess up. It was a case of papers accidentally being swapped. There is a real Streakin Wink out there. It just wasn't the one they thought it was. So the correct papers are with the right horse now. This was a mix up that was easily solved.
Yes I know. But I was stating a case of mistaken Identity. But on here there was that other story about the shipped semen bred to the pro calf mare. That was a mess. Vets putting in the wrong semen or into the wrong mare seems to be happening more and more, |
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | I friend of mine has a similar situation. Bought colts from a local breeder. The one she planed to be a stud prospect now has a couple years of training and was going to stand this year when low and behold his sire isn't who he is supposed to be. They are having a hard time reaching an agreement on how to make things right. |
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| Not saying this is the case...it's much more likely that there was a mix-up somewhere along the way. But if you trust the seller and she's 100% confident that this is the right pedigree on this horse, chimerism could explain it. It's extremely rare, but not completely unheard of. The chimeric horse doesn't have to have an odd coat pattern or even show any outward signs -- sometimes if two embryos of the same color fuse, there's no hint of anything unusual. And sometimes it's just a small part of the body (i.e. the reproductive organs) that carry separate DNA. Anyway, a shot in the dark, but it has happened.
https://aqha.com/daily/breeding/2016/breeding-archive/one-in-a-milli...
https://aqha.com/daily/breeding/2016/breeding-archive/one-in-a-milli...
http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask200 |
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If i read correctly it's the mare that was DNA tested and the sure to the mare is incorrect. Even a chimera would reflect the correct parents, it's the foals of a chimera that would have the issue. So in this case the sire would have to be the chimera if that's the issue. |
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| Could her stud not be who she thinks he is? |
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| MeepMeep - 2017-02-25 1:58 PM
Could her stud not be who she thinks he is?
That would be my next question, is the mare's supposed sire still alive for testing/has he been verified already? Is another offspring available for testing? |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | MeepMeep - 2017-02-25 1:58 PM Could her stud not be who she thinks he is?
Exactly what I was thinking right away, could it be that the stud of the mare is not the stud that the DNA says he should be? |
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| I bought a horse from a breeder who had to DNA the horse twice. They had 2 mares foal at the same time and the mares switched babies.... They were suprised when the original DNA came back wrong on the two babies....sure enough, they figured what happened and got everything straightened out. Mix ups happen.....it is figuring how it happened (where along the way) and correcting it. |
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Wrong sire/DNA