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Location: Alberta, Canada | I give my iad mare who is also a minor bleeder 60cc/day. Working great for her. I have been able to manage it well during the summer while she is on grass but winter while on hay is always a challenge. this winter she has been on equipulmin and looks and feel great.
It can take a little bit of playing to get the correct dosage. I tried her on 30cc/day and saw a little bit of improvement but bumped her up to see if it made a difference and it did. Huge. |
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Location: North Dakota | My COPD mare is doing fantastic on 60cc daily along with her Cur-OST herbs and a clean diet. She is on 1 scoop of Plus from Cur-OST and 1/2 scoop of Revive. On Cur-OST she stays pretty darn good but the addition of Equipulmin was the winning ticket for her. No mucus thanks to equipulmin and no inflammation thanks to Cur-OST = breathing clear and easy.
What is going on with your horse exactly?
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Location: Alberta, Canada | MidWest1452 - 2017-03-01 10:31 AM
My COPD mare is doing fantastic on 60cc daily along with her Cur-OST herbs and a clean diet. She is on 1 scoop of Plus from Cur-OST and 1/2 scoop of Revive. On Cur-OST she stays pretty darn good but the addition of Equipulmin was the winning ticket for her. No mucus thanks to equipulmin and no inflammation thanks to Cur-OST = breathing clear and easy.
What is going on with your horse exactly?
This --^ I should have added that I also feed curost. And experienced the same... the equipulmin was just the icing on the cur ost cake for her :) I feed 1 scoop total and 1 scoop revive. |
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| Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently |
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Location: North Dakota | Wild1 - 2017-03-01 1:16 PM
Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently
I'm no help in that area. My mare doesn't run on lasix nor has she never shown any signs of bleeding. I have read a lot of testimonials on facebook about people being able to take their bleeders off lasix but have no personal experience. |
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Location: NE Texas | I'm a Cur-Ost fan. Nearly lost my horse 2 years ago to full blown respiratory distress that escalated quickly from what I always considered to be very mild allergies. I haven't used Equipulmin, other than I did try the human form on myself for my respiratory issues, but didn't notice any difference. I love my Cur-Ost though and have given it and taken it for over 2 years. It is one thing I will never be without and neither will my horses, if possible!
ETA, prior to finding the Cur-Ost (was a last resort for me), we used everything. In the top pics below he was on 10cc of Ventipulmin a day with Dex. Lasix we used before he got so bad he couldn't compete, per the recommendation of several veterinarians. We spent thousands, at 3 different very competent vets, with no improvment.
I quit all medications on him cold turkey when I started the Cur-Ost. Haven't used any Ventipulmin, Dex, or Lasix or anything else in over 2 years. He's been to the vet to get blood pulled for coggins and that is literally it.
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| I do 60cc before I work him, my gelding has breathing issues every spring since moving from Arizona to the south. He's been getting equipulmin for about 2 weeks now and loves it |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Wild1 - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM
Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently
It specifically says not to give lasix with the use of equipulmin... if the equipulmin alone isnt enough, stop using if continuing lasix.
My mare did not run well on lasix and has not bled since using equipulmin. |
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| jschipper - 2017-03-01 3:24 PM
Wild1 - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM
Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently
It specifically says not to give lasix with the use of equipulmin... if the equipulmin alone isnt enough, stop using if continuing lasix.
My mare did not run well on lasix and has not bled since using equipulmin.
I never saw where it said not to use Lasix when using equipulmin. Where did you read that. Maybe that's why it didn't work for me :( |
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Location: North Dakota | express52 - 2017-03-01 5:52 PM
jschipper - 2017-03-01 3:24 PM
Wild1 - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM
Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently
It specifically says not to give lasix with the use of equipulmin... if the equipulmin alone isnt enough, stop using if continuing lasix.
My mare did not run well on lasix and has not bled since using equipulmin.
I never saw where it said not to use Lasix when using equipulmin. Where did you read that. Maybe that's why it didn't work for me : (
From the website:
When EquiPulmin® is used in conjunction with these drugs it should be administered either one hour before or after the following: Ventipulmin, Sputalysine, Cemedidene, GastroGuard, Tagement, and any antibiotics. The use of these drugs may reduce the effectiveness of the herbal product.
Dosen't mention lasix specifically but I wouldn't dose it at the same time. All the testimonials I have read people have used it with lasix and have been able to--over time.. eliminate or reduce the amount of lasix used. |
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| Yes,I did read about the other meds and never gave it with any of those. But did give Lasix 4 hours before a run and then the Equipulmin about 1 hour before a run. I just didn't have any luck with my horse. I guess every horse is different. Thanks
Just wanted to add,he loves the taste!!
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Location: North Dakota | express52 - 2017-03-01 6:20 PM
Yes,I did read about the other meds and never gave it with any of those. But did give Lasix 4 hours before a run and then the Equipulmin about 1 hour before a run. I just didn't have any luck with my horse. I guess every horse is different. Thanks
Just wanted to add,he loves the taste!!
Yes! Taste is not an issue with my horse either lol! She digs in my pockets and bites at the syringe before I even get a chance to give it to her. She will lick it out of a bowl too. |
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| I don't understand how this is any different then other liquid breathing supplement... Like wind aid, air power... ect. It's just herbs and extracts. To me it's just like a herbal cough drop when I'm sick. I can see how it can clear mucus after giving it like a cough drop for possiblely an hour or so but to stop a horse from bleeding or allergies.... I'd like to see the science. I'm so burnt out on supplements... |
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| Mine is not a bleeder so I can't say anything there, but as far as herbal remedies assisting in allergies... that has been done since the beginning of time lol! |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-01 8:28 PM
I don't understand how this is any different then other liquid breathing supplement... Like wind aid, air power... ect. It's just herbs and extracts. To me it's just like a herbal cough drop when I'm sick. I can see how it can clear mucus after giving it like a cough drop for possiblely an hour or so but to stop a horse from bleeding or allergies.... I'd like to see the science. I'm so burnt out on supplements...
My understanding is that many bleeders bleed because of underlying issues. Those are the horses that will experience success with this. My mare is not a traditional bleeder - she bleeds due to her allergies, as per BAL results. It's working for her, hasn't bled since starting. But, I would agree - a traditional bleeder would likely not experience any success with Equipulmin alone. Thats my take anyway. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | express52 - 2017-03-01 3:52 PM
jschipper - 2017-03-01 3:24 PM
Wild1 - 2017-03-01 11:16 AM
Are you guys not having to lasix once using equipulmin for a light bleeder or horse with allergies? I have a mare like this so I'm really wanting to know, but I agree all horses react differently
It specifically says not to give lasix with the use of equipulmin... if the equipulmin alone isnt enough, stop using if continuing lasix.
My mare did not run well on lasix and has not bled since using equipulmin.
I never saw where it said not to use Lasix when using equipulmin. Where did you read that. Maybe that's why it didn't work for me : (
I've read it elsewhere as well... I think maybe on a facebook thread... I can't remember. But I know I've read or heard somewhere that giving lasix with equipulmin is not recommended. I'll have to do some digging. |
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Location: Millen Ga | How long does 1 gallon last at 60 ccs a day?
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Location: Millen Ga | Also- which Cur-Ost are y'all using? |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Tanya - 2017-03-02 6:59 AM
How long does 1 gallon last at 60 ccs a day?
2 months
I'm using cur ost total and cur ost revive on my mare. |
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| jschipper - 2017-03-02 8:49 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-01 8:28 PM
I don't understand how this is any different then other liquid breathing supplement... Like wind aid, air power... ect. It's just herbs and extracts. To me it's just like a herbal cough drop when I'm sick. I can see how it can clear mucus after giving it like a cough drop for possiblely an hour or so but to stop a horse from bleeding or allergies.... I'd like to see the science. I'm so burnt out on supplements...
My understanding is that many bleeders bleed because of underlying issues. Those are the horses that will experience success with this. My mare is not a traditional bleeder - she bleeds due to her allergies, as per BAL results. It's working for her, hasn't bled since starting. But, I would agree - a traditional bleeder would likely not experience any success with Equipulmin alone. Thats my take anyway.
I guess my point is seasonal like pollen yes but hay dust mold allergies it's only a cover up for a few hours after it's dosed. If it helps relieve symptoms great but it doesn't stop the damage that occurs from allergies. The only way to stop allergies from causing havoc is to take the horse away form the source.... Like taking them off of hay. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-02 10:24 AM
jschipper - 2017-03-02 8:49 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-01 8:28 PM
I don't understand how this is any different then other liquid breathing supplement... Like wind aid, air power... ect. It's just herbs and extracts. To me it's just like a herbal cough drop when I'm sick. I can see how it can clear mucus after giving it like a cough drop for possiblely an hour or so but to stop a horse from bleeding or allergies.... I'd like to see the science. I'm so burnt out on supplements...
My understanding is that many bleeders bleed because of underlying issues. Those are the horses that will experience success with this. My mare is not a traditional bleeder - she bleeds due to her allergies, as per BAL results. It's working for her, hasn't bled since starting. But, I would agree - a traditional bleeder would likely not experience any success with Equipulmin alone. Thats my take anyway. I guess my point is seasonal like pollen yes but hay dust mold allergies it's only a cover up for a few hours after it's dosed. If it helps relieve symptoms great but it doesn't stop the damage that occurs from allergies. The only way to stop allergies from causing havoc is to take the horse away form the source.... Like taking them off of hay.
I completely agree with you :) |
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Location: North Dakota | Tanya - 2017-03-02 9:00 AM
Also- which Cur-Ost are y'all using?
1 scoop Plus and 1 scoop Revive for my mare. I did Total with Revive for a bit but decided to try Plus and she is doing even better. |
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Location: North Dakota | Tanya - 2017-03-03 7:45 AM
how long does 1 bag last usually?
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Location: Iowa | I am bringing this thread back up because I have some more questions if anyone has some more knowledge or experience! My horse has allergies which is why I am interested in this product. I hate over supplementing and I would like to one just use one thing. I currently use In The Zone by Animal Element for a run to help calm the mind and coat the stomach. According to some descriptions on Equipulmin it also helps calm and coat…does anyone have a testimonial that it may help with nervousness and ulcers? I found this online but would like some truth first before I buy :) Thanks!
The benefits of using EQUIPULMIN:
(1) STOPS LUNG BLEEDING,
(2) HEALS STOMACH ULCERS,
(3) CONTROLS AND RELEIVES ALLERGIES,
(4) STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM,
(5) OXYGENATES THE BLOOD,
(6) RELAXES.
(7) REMOVES MUCUS & STOPS COUGHING
SAVINGS ON DRUG COSTS:
When EquiPulmin is used these drugs are not necessary & should NOT BE USED.
VENTILPULMIN --- SPUTALYSINE --- CEMEDIDENE --- GASTREGUARD ---- TAGAMET --- ANTIBIOTICS
The use of these any of these drugs with EquiPulmin only reduces its effectiveness.
DOSAGES:
MUCUS & BREATHING DISORDER:
60 cc - 3 times a day for 10 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
This can be decreased when the horse's shows signs of real improvement.
BAD BLEEDERS:
60 to 120 cc - 3 times a day for 14 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
Pre-race 120 cc 30 to 60 minutes before race.
PRE-RACE:
120 cc - 30 to 60 minutes before race time.
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I am bringing this thread back up because I have some more questions if anyone has some more knowledge or experience! My horse has allergies which is why I am interested in this product. I hate over supplementing and I would like to one just use one thing. I currently use In The Zone by Animal Element for a run to help calm the mind and coat the stomach. According to some descriptions on Equipulmin it also helps calm and coat…does anyone have a testimonial that it may help with nervousness and ulcers? I found this online but would like some truth first before I buy :) Thanks!
The benefits of using EQUIPULMIN:
(1) STOPS LUNG BLEEDING,
(2) HEALS STOMACH ULCERS,
(3) CONTROLS AND RELEIVES ALLERGIES,
(4) STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM,
(5) OXYGENATES THE BLOOD,
(6) RELAXES.
(7) REMOVES MUCUS & STOPS COUGHING
SAVINGS ON DRUG COSTS:
When EquiPulmin is used these drugs are not necessary & should NOT BE USED.
VENTILPULMIN --- SPUTALYSINE --- CEMEDIDENE --- GASTREGUARD ---- TAGAMET --- ANTIBIOTICS
The use of these any of these drugs with EquiPulmin only reduces its effectiveness.
DOSAGES:
MUCUS & BREATHING DISORDER:
60 cc - 3 times a day for 10 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
This can be decreased when the horse's shows signs of real improvement.
BAD BLEEDERS:
60 to 120 cc - 3 times a day for 14 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
Pre-race 120 cc 30 to 60 minutes before race.
PRE-RACE:
120 cc - 30 to 60 minutes before race time.
No help to your questions......but isn't it a big no-no to advertise that it heals ulcers??? |
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Location: NE Texas | Rausch_Jessica - 2017-06-06 3:19 PM I am bringing this thread back up because I have some more questions if anyone has some more knowledge or experience! My horse has allergies which is why I am interested in this product. I hate over supplementing and I would like to one just use one thing. I currently use In The Zone by Animal Element for a run to help calm the mind and coat the stomach. According to some descriptions on Equipulmin it also helps calm and coat…does anyone have a testimonial that it may help with nervousness and ulcers? I found this online but would like some truth first before I buy :) Thanks!
The benefits of using EQUIPULMIN:
(1) STOPS LUNG BLEEDING,
(2) HEALS STOMACH ULCERS,
(3) CONTROLS AND RELEIVES ALLERGIES,
(4) STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM,
(5) OXYGENATES THE BLOOD,
(6) RELAXES.
(7) REMOVES MUCUS & STOPS COUGHING
SAVINGS ON DRUG COSTS:
When EquiPulmin is used these drugs are not necessary & should NOT BE USED.
VENTILPULMIN --- SPUTALYSINE --- CEMEDIDENE --- GASTREGUARD ---- TAGAMET --- ANTIBIOTICS
The use of these any of these drugs with EquiPulmin only reduces its effectiveness.
DOSAGES:
MUCUS & BREATHING DISORDER:
60 cc - 3 times a day for 10 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
This can be decreased when the horse's shows signs of real improvement.
BAD BLEEDERS:
60 to 120 cc - 3 times a day for 14 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
Pre-race 120 cc 30 to 60 minutes before race.
PRE-RACE:
120 cc - 30 to 60 minutes before race time.
I don't use Equipulmin, but have discussed with several friends who do and why they see the changes that they see. First, in order to answer your question about ulcers, yes, it should provide some relief with ulcer type symptoms. Why? Due to the herbs used in the blend, specfically marshmallow. It is a cooling/soothing/moisturizing herb.
There other herbs in the blend that are heating and drying, as well, which is where the improvement comes in as far as respiratory support. The question is, how much of each is in the blend? There may be a place where that is listed, but I haven't seen it.
I think in order to make good decisions on what product is best for you and your program, it will be beneficial to learn what these different herbs do and at what levels they are most effective. That is one thing I did on the journey that eventually led me to the Cur-OST products was to educate myself on different herbs and ingredients, what they are, why they are used, and how they are intended to assist. For example, my friends and I have discussed the potassiom sorbate, which is the preservative used in the mix and whether or not that could be harmful long term or if given daily. Probably not, but when you begin reading about the effects of it, it's worth talking about.
The first thing I would encourage you to do for your horse is to remove all processed feed and grain from his diet. Get him on the best forage you can find, and use a whole grain like a whole oat or barley at less than 2 pounds per feeding, and less if you can get by with it. The oats used as a mixer, rather than a meal, for whatever product you choose to feed, if you choose to use anything. I truly believe that by simplifying the diet and removing the processed feed, that is a huge step in the right direction. Then top that with the product you find has the ingredients to best support the issues present beyond that.
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Location: Iowa | Herbie - 2017-06-06 4:05 PM
Rausch_Jessica - 2017-06-06 3:19 PM I am bringing this thread back up because I have some more questions if anyone has some more knowledge or experience! My horse has allergies which is why I am interested in this product. I hate over supplementing and I would like to one just use one thing. I currently use In The Zone by Animal Element for a run to help calm the mind and coat the stomach. According to some descriptions on Equipulmin it also helps calm and coat…does anyone have a testimonial that it may help with nervousness and ulcers? I found this online but would like some truth first before I buy :) Thanks!
The benefits of using EQUIPULMIN:
(1) STOPS LUNG BLEEDING,
(2) HEALS STOMACH ULCERS,
(3) CONTROLS AND RELEIVES ALLERGIES,
(4) STRENGTHENS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM,
(5) OXYGENATES THE BLOOD,
(6) RELAXES.
(7) REMOVES MUCUS & STOPS COUGHING
SAVINGS ON DRUG COSTS:
When EquiPulmin is used these drugs are not necessary & should NOT BE USED.
VENTILPULMIN --- SPUTALYSINE --- CEMEDIDENE --- GASTREGUARD ---- TAGAMET --- ANTIBIOTICS
The use of these any of these drugs with EquiPulmin only reduces its effectiveness.
DOSAGES:
MUCUS & BREATHING DISORDER:
60 cc - 3 times a day for 10 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
This can be decreased when the horse's shows signs of real improvement.
BAD BLEEDERS:
60 to 120 cc - 3 times a day for 14 days / then 60 cc - twice a day.
Pre-race 120 cc 30 to 60 minutes before race.
PRE-RACE:
120 cc - 30 to 60 minutes before race time.
I don't use Equipulmin, but have discussed with several friends who do and why they see the changes that they see. First, in order to answer your question about ulcers, yes, it should provide some relief with ulcer type symptoms. Why? Due to the herbs used in the blend, specfically marshmallow. It is a cooling/soothing/moisturizing herb.
There other herbs in the blend that are heating and drying, as well, which is where the improvement comes in as far as respiratory support. The question is, how much of each is in the blend? There may be a place where that is listed, but I haven't seen it.
I think in order to make good decisions on what product is best for you and your program, it will be beneficial to learn what these different herbs do and at what levels they are most effective. That is one thing I did on the journey that eventually led me to the Cur-OST products was to educate myself on different herbs and ingredients, what they are, why they are used, and how they are intended to assist. For example, my friends and I have discussed the potassiom sorbate, which is the preservative used in the mix and whether or not that could be harmful long term or if given daily. Probably not, but when you begin reading about the effects of it, it's worth talking about.
The first thing I would encourage you to do for your horse is to remove all processed feed and grain from his diet. Get him on the best forage you can find, and use a whole grain like a whole oat or barley at less than 2 pounds per feeding, and less if you can get by with it. The oats used as a mixer, rather than a meal, for whatever product you choose to feed, if you choose to use anything. I truly believe that by simplifying the diet and removing the processed feed, that is a huge step in the right direction. Then top that with the product you find has the ingredients to best support the issues present beyond that.
Perfect thank you! I should have clarified he does not have ulcers currently I just want to prevent them. In the zone paste has done great for me but I don't want to give numerous pre-race supplements. And I really want something to help his seasonal allergies and occasional cough. |
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