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| What does everyone use for a horse with allergies? Not bad but horse sneezes more than normal warming up and gets a dry cough every year around this time. I'm scared it might cause him to bleed. Thanks in advance!!
Edited to add: he is on Cur ost total support. (Only has been on it a month and a half)
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| Curost total support works really well in these cases. |
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Location: North Dakota | Have you noticed improvement with the Cur-OST? Any other signs going on? Labored breathing? Troubles recovering after exercise? I would possibly consider adding Immune into your Cur-OST program to give extra support during "allergy" season.
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| My mare is a pretty heavy breather just because she gets down and dirty when she runs. The total has helped tremendously. |
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| I haven't yet but I've only ran him once since him being on it and he hasn't been on it all that long. He Ran good but I notice how much he sneezes compared to other horses and now hes starting to get that dry cough (not every ride). The Longer I ride the less he sneezes. |
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| equi resp - saline or silver care
vetipulmin (flame away he is much better on it)
i fed tri-hurst through the week bc its cheap
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Location: North Dakota | fgf - 2017-03-03 6:56 AM
I haven't yet but I've only ran him once since him being on it and he hasn't been on it all that long. He Ran good but I notice how much he sneezes compared to other horses and now hes starting to get that dry cough (not every ride). The Longer I ride the less he sneezes.
Did you email Dr. Schell before you ordered the Total? I would defiantly email him now with any concerns as knows his products best and their might be a better option and or an addition that will help even more.
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Location: Northwest | fgf - 2017-03-02 5:53 PM
What does everyone use for a horse with allergies? Not bad but horse sneezes more than normal warming up and gets a dry cough every year around this time. I'm scared it might cause him to bleed. Thanks in advance!!
Edited to add: he is on Cur ost total support. (Only has been on it a month and a half)
Has your horse's cough gone away on the Cur-ost? I have a mare with seasonal allergies and the Cur-ost Total and Immune combo worked amazingly well. |
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| I did email him though it was before this cough came about so I probably did not mention that. I think I will give immune a try and see how that goes or equipulmin it seems a lot of people like both of those products! |
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| I have one horse on curtsy total & immune for now. It stopped the cough but now she sneezes all the time! I'm going to give it a little longer bc her bigger issue was itching in the summer. I really want to see if it will help with that be if it doesn't I'm going back to animal element immune it helped with cough w/o sneezing, she ate it better and its cheaper. I'm feeding 2 lbs of oats to get most of it down. She's getting fat she is super easy keeper.
My other horse coughs but wouldn't eat curost at all. So she is on animal element immune & I give her a cup of omega horse shine & it has helped her w her itching- she's not as bad itching as the other horse.
They only itch in the summer. I think it's going to be worse this year bc it is so green already! |
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Location: North Dakota | fgf - 2017-03-03 8:56 AM
I did email him though it was before this cough came about so I probably did not mention that. I think I will give immune a try and see how that goes or equipulmin it seems a lot of people like both of those products!
Yes Equipulmin is fantastic as well! Immune is needed in many allergy cases for 60-90 days just to get everything functioning properly. Keep us updated! |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I went the allergy shot route before discovering Cur-OST on my mare. I started her on Total and Immune combined with a clean/whole foods diet and the results are fantastic. I did keep her on Immune a bit long because the weather was doing crazy things, and on super humid days I would be nervous to have her off Immune.
Now she is on Revive with 1 scoop of Total and seems to be doing great with that combo, I'm still getting her in shape and haven't made a run yet but I'm really impressed so far :) |
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Location: North Dakota | donk - 2017-03-03 9:12 AM
I have one horse on curtsy total & immune for now. It stopped the cough but now she sneezes all the time! I'm going to give it a little longer bc her bigger issue was itching in the summer. I really want to see if it will help with that be if it doesn't I'm going back to animal element immune it helped with cough w/o sneezing, she ate it better and its cheaper. I'm feeding 2 lbs of oats to get most of it down. She's getting fat she is super easy keeper.
My other horse coughs but wouldn't eat curost at all. So she is on animal element immune & I give her a cup of omega horse shine & it has helped her w her itching- she's not as bad itching as the other horse.
They only itch in the summer. I think it's going to be worse this year bc it is so green already!
It took both my horses 2-3 weeks in the beginning to really take to their Cur-OST. My mare eats her super quick now that I started feeding it with 1lb of rice bran rather than oats.
Could the sneezing be because things are too dry? I've heard in some cases the airways can get too dried out but I am honestly not sure if those would be related to sneezing.
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| Scope her after you run? Could be a bleeder?? Just a thought..... |
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| My gelding did not want to eat it, but when I wet it down he gobbles it up.
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| I wish curost was not so expensive..upwards of $300 a month to treat my horse per their recomendations. And it might not work.. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | RunfastNTurn - 2017-03-06 5:23 PM
I wish curost was not so expensive..upwards of $300 a month to treat my horse per their recomendations. And it might not work..
This is what keeps me from trying it. Just not affordable when you have 2 others with their own issues.
I've been feeding THE performance w/bleeder, breather, cough and it seems to help. I do breathing treatments when needed, as well. Good old wind aid before a run. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | Animal element detox and immune helped mine that has allergies. I'm no longer a dealer but could pm you if you'd like. The way it was broken down and explained to me was super simple, and its soooo much better than a bunch of drugs in their system! |
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| In my opinion... Stop spending hundreds on supplments and spend that money on seeing a good internal medicine/ respiratory vet. Get a scope and BAL done to see what it is exactly you are dealing with if you havent already. Then figure out a treatment/ management plan. Dont mess around with respiratory issues as they can be very devastating in the long run. I wish I would have pulled my IAD allergy horse off of hay a few years ago. The results Ive seen in the last few weeks since I have has been a miracle. Over the last few years Ive steamed his hay, treated with dex, turned him out in a run in shed at all times and fed every supplement out there. The only thing that has helped was taking him off of hay. Obviously there is other triggers for allergies but to figure out what it is it is all trial and error. Most times it is hay not just seasonal pollen.... good luck with your horse.  |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-06 11:37 PM
In my opinion... Stop spending hundreds on supplments and spend that money on seeing a good internal medicine/ respiratory vet. Get a scope and BAL done to see what it is exactly you are dealing with if you havent already. Then figure out a treatment/ management plan. Dont mess around with respiratory issues as they can be very devastating in the long run. I wish I would have pulled my IAD allergy horse off of hay a few years ago. The results Ive seen in the last few weeks since I have has been a miracle. Over the last few years Ive steamed his hay, treated with dex, turned him out in a run in shed at all times and fed every supplement out there. The only thing that has helped was taking him off of hay. Obviously there is other triggers for allergies but to figure out what it is it is all trial and error. Most times it is hay not just seasonal pollen.... good luck with your horse.
this is very interesting..can I ask what do you feed if no hay? Cubes? I don't have much pasture either. |
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| Wild1 - 2017-03-07 9:58 AM WetSaddleBlankets - 2017-03-06 11:37 PM In my opinion... Stop spending hundreds on supplments and spend that money on seeing a good internal medicine/ respiratory vet. Get a scope and BAL done to see what it is exactly you are dealing with if you havent already. Then figure out a treatment/ management plan. Dont mess around with respiratory issues as they can be very devastating in the long run. I wish I would have pulled my IAD allergy horse off of hay a few years ago. The results Ive seen in the last few weeks since I have has been a miracle. Over the last few years Ive steamed his hay, treated with dex, turned him out in a run in shed at all times and fed every supplement out there. The only thing that has helped was taking him off of hay. Obviously there is other triggers for allergies but to figure out what it is it is all trial and error. Most times it is hay not just seasonal pollen.... good luck with your horse. this is very interesting..can I ask what do you feed if no hay? Cubes? I don't have much pasture either.
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| Im wondering too if dusty hay can cause this? I get some dust in ours, not terrible but it does make me wonder if trying chaffhay would help this while hauling? |
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| Wild1 - 2017-03-08 10:27 AM
Im wondering too if dusty hay can cause this? I get some dust in ours, not terrible but it does make me wonder if trying chaffhay would help this while hauling?
If I were you guys I'd be reading up on allergies and respiratory conditions in horses and also speaking to your vet. Hay is the number one cause for allergy problems in respiratory conditions like... Heaves (copd, rao) or where there is at least reversible damage in Inflammatory airway disease. People don't like to admit it and try everything out there other then what should be done.... taking their horse off of the cause... Hay. Also keeping the horse turned out side and away from dusty environments. Hay, even good hay, holds dust which is mold and fungi... Some horses can't even have good hay because they still have problems. But before you do anything of such see your vet. Get a diagnosis and treat it according. |
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| I also wanted to add that some horses can get away with having their hay soaked for a half an hour to make the dust stick to the hay so when the horse grabs a bite they dont get a puff of dust. Others need hay sterilized by using a steamer to kill the mold and fungi. My horse unfortunately needs to completely be off of hay altogether and some that's the case. I've watered and steamed for the last two years and didn't get the response he needed. He still seemed never 100%. I pulled him off of hay and he's like I've never seen him before. I wish I wouldn't have drug my feet. But like I said some horses watering or steaming is enough. Steaming is obviously 10 times better then watering. I made a home made steamer for 150 dollars. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-06 6:45 PM
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I wish curost was not so expensive..upwards of $300 a month to treat my horse per their recomendations. And it might not work..
This is what keeps me from trying it. Just not affordable when you have 2 others with their own issues.
I've been feeding THE performance w/bleeder, breather, cough and it seems to help. I do breathing treatments when needed, as well. Good old wind aid before a run.
Giving my own horse THE Lung Support (formally PulmonEZ). He has a dry hack every morning when I let him out of his stall. Tis the season. Wind is blowing hard every day now and he is on a grass round bale. 7 days in and I haven't heard a single cough. $95 for 30 scoops is affordable. With seasonal allergies, I am able to feed just the one bag. |
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Location: Texas | OP- what part of the country do you live in?
And I agree.. spend the money on solid diagnostics before you start trying to treat symptoms with supplements. You want to #1- find out the reason why they cough. If you are just treating a cough and don't know what causes it, some supplements may be worthless.
Horses also typically don't really respond to antihistamines like people do, so tri hist granules may be 50/50 on if they do anything or not.
I would first and foremost do an upper airway scope to see what part of the airway is inflamed, then consister a BAL or transtracheal wash to evaluate what cells are present, if there are signs of infection, etc..
Horses along the gulf coast are predisposed to nasopharyngeal cicatrix, horses up north are predisposed to RAO from being in barns with dusty moldy hay, horses in the South are predisposed to SPARAO which is RAO except outside and grass trigger it, not inside barns.. Some horses may have IAD, which is nonseasonal i believe...
others may be coughing because they have surgical problems such as displacement of their soft palate, have a paralyzed flapper, or entrapped epiglottis.. those things will not get better with supplements. |
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Location: NE Texas | TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-06 7:45 PM RunfastNTurn - 2017-03-06 5:23 PM I wish curost was not so expensive..upwards of $300 a month to treat my horse per their recomendations. And it might not work.. This is what keeps me from trying it. Just not affordable when you have 2 others with their own issues. I've been feeding THE performance w/bleeder, breather, cough and it seems to help. I do breathing treatments when needed, as well. Good old wind aid before a run.
The $300 doesn't last forever, but yes, at first it is expensive to get started. That being said, my entire feed program now costs me less than it before even WITH the Cur-OST included (maintenance level). I dosed the Total Support and Immune & Repair together for 90 days, as directed, and was able to drop the Immune & Repair and maintain on only the Total Support 90% of the time. In the hot/humid months of August/September, I do add the Immune back in at a half dose just to offer a little extra support. My horse will never be 100% due to the lung damage and scar tissue we have from not being able to get these issues (allergies for years, the acute COPD once we started hauling), but i'll take the 95% he is now, considering 3 vets wanted me to put him down.
So yes, the product alone is expensive, but the program is not long term and will actually end up saving you money more than likely on vet bills, feed bills, other supplements, gadgets, medications, etc.
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