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Location: Tejas | Probably the silliest question ever but are there any barrel racers out there that just don't use a back cinch? What's the reason? What's the reason FOR using one if you do? |
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Location: London Ontario | I do. Always have and always will. I dont have my "roper tight" but it is definitely snug. I also use a breastcollar. I have seen way to many people use one but its loose enough to stick a back leg thru. Or ones without the strap connecting the back cinch to the front. |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| I use one, it's snug. One of my absolute pet peeves is a hanging back cinch. Has to be annoying sliding around back there and a danger should a fall happen and a back foot get caught.
I figure if any equipment fails, either cinch or breastcollar, I want the other two there and ready to help prevent further catastrophe or at least help me get to the ground slower.
My other equipment pet peeve is tie downs that aren't in a keeper. I've see that one go south during a fall when a front leg went through the tie down, it's not pretty.
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 Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | I start my horses with one and may remove it later but I want them used to it because I tend to use my horses for work around the property and it may be needed. |
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Location: Kansas | yes i use one |
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Location: Canada | I don't use one. I would only use it if I found my saddle popped up at all in a run but luckily it doesn't. I'm that person that the back cinch would break or the keeper would let loose and suddenly I'd have a bronc strap.  |
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Location: SE KS | yes |
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 Not Afraid to Work
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| I pretty much always use one. I think it keeps even pressure and feel more secure. I also use a breastcollar when running but not normally for flat work or trail riding. |
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Location: WI | I have one on my Double J saddle and use it then. My Caldwell does not have one. Honestly, can't really tell much difference. |
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Location: MN | I wish I had had one years ago when I was in a very bad horse accident. I believe if I did have one, the outcome would have been much different.
I use one today and always will as on a different occasion, it kept my saddle from rolling under my horse when my leather off billet snapped in half riding in a brand new saddle. It's kept pretty snug but not roper tight like stated above.
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Location: Washington | Yes, always have always will! and have them touching but night tight.
Ever seen a saddle slapping a horses back as it runs or coming in or out of a turn?!
If one goes to bucking, I dont need the saddle adding any encouragement to coming off. |
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| My older saddle does not have one, while my new saddle does. I feel that when riding my new saddle, when using spurs, the back cinch gets in the way. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Every saddle i have has one even the bob marshall..and they are kept snug..m |
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Location: Phoenix | Yes and it's snug!!! It takes the pressure off the withers.
You know why calf ropers have their back cinch so tight? So the jerk isn't being absorbed so much on the shoulders and withers of the horse. I'll never ride without one. |
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Location: Alabama | Yes. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Yes...Always have..Always will.
Go and watch a video of people running without a back cinch and watch the back of the saddle flopping up and down on the horse's back.
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| yes |
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Location: Texas | Yes. I feel it is a safety issue, as well as a comfor issue for my horse. I feel much more secure with a rear cinch, and the saddle moves less. When this big girl goes around a corner, let's just say I am pulling some G's. I need to know that the saddle is not gonna move. It is snug, but not tight. (also, yes, to the breast collar. Same reason.) |
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  Ms. Marine
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Location: Texas | Yes, always. I keep it nice and snug too. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Always. Correclty placed and correctly tightened. My horse pops me up pretty hard behind the back side of the barrel. I like the saddle to stay in place when he does this. I use a breast collar for saddle placement as well. |
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| Yes! It helps my saddle fit correctly. |
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Location: North Dakota | I never used to use a back cinch (mainly, because the saddle I had did not come with one) but I always do now. I feel it's just another "aid" to help keep the back of the saddle down when making a run. I have it snug before we run; not as snug when we are just conditioning at home. |
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Location: Northern California | I think the reason some don't use one is they think it is inhibiting the effectivness of their feet when making a run. Folks that don't think their saddle pops up really need to check out their pics or slo mo a video around a turn. Hind cinches take the pressure off the shoulders and allow weight to stay evenly distributed and more balanced.
To each their own, but all my saddles have hind cinches. |
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| All my saddles have back cinches even the kids and they are done up. Not roper tight but snug.
I was recently talking about this and somebody who does not use them or uses them lose explained that when the horse gets low, bends basically working really well a d hard that the barrel expands bends and moves, when you have your back cinch "roper tight" it inhibits the horses ability to move.
It did make a lot of sense but I think its a fine line of helping the saddle stay balanced (and if you need to crank strap it town in the back it probably does not fit) and letting your horse move effectively.
I ponder this often lately at work when its slow on what is the best setting lol. But I will never not use a back cinch and always all leather. |
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Location: Illinois | Always! |
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| I used to use one on every horse and every saddle but then I got my wonder pony and she bucked me off the first day I had her. By pony I mean she is all of 14.1 hands on the last day before her feet are trimmed. She is small and compact. My back cinch was tied forward but when I ran her occasionally she'd buck. Riding at home - never once bucked. I couldn't figure out what her deal was. I had the back cinch tied forward but noticed that because she was so short bodied it would still "flank" her when she would collect in a run. After the second time of getting bucked off I took it off and haven't had any other problems from her. To each their own. I still ride them on some of the horses but never on that little one! |
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Location: Running barrels or watching nascar | Keepkick'n - 2017-03-04 11:12 AM
I think the reason some don't use one is they think it is inhibiting the effectivness of their feet when making a run. Folks that don't think their saddle pops up really need to check out their pics or slo mo a video around a turn. Hind cinches take the pressure off the shoulders and allow weight to stay evenly distributed and more balanced.
To each their own, but all my saddles have hind cinches.
I do tend to kick the back cinch area. I do not use a back cinch on one of my horses, but I do on the other. |
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 No Tune in a Bucket
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Location: Texas | My non barrel racing granddaughter (she is a roper and ties goats) decided she would run her sister's barrel horse. She has some kind of issue on every run. First, she buttoned her vest and got it caught on the saddle horn and could not sit on the first barrel. Nobody thought to mention that that could be a problem. Next, she got her spur stuck in the buckle in the back girt. Not only could she not kick but she had to have someone physically remove her spur from the buckle before she could dismount. Always an experience with that girl. lol |
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Location: Jersey Girl | Yes! |
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| Bringing this one back out- I was at Jud Little's American Qualifier the other night and couldn't get over the number of people running without a back cinch! What would the benefit be of not using one? I bet at least 50% of the 80 runners didn't use one, including some big names. I also was watching the race post-getting bucked off my talented but touchy mare....wondering if the back cinch flanked her when we jumped over a ditch while gathering cows. So I will either be making adjustments or taking it off now! |
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| Lopin' Leopard - 2017-03-03 9:46 AM
Yes, always have always will! and have them touching but night tight.
Ever seen a saddle slapping a horses back as it runs or coming in or out of a turn?!
If one goes to bucking, I dont need the saddle adding any encouragement to coming off.
I watched a Martha Josey video years ago in slow motion showing the saddle popping up without a back cinch. I almost always use one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, folks say if the saddle fits you don't need one, but I prefer to use them. |
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 Miss Laundry Misshap
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| I use one always and made it a point to tell my colt starter to make sure that my filly got one and it was snug.
I had a saddle flip up in the rear and flip me off into a fence. (We have it on video.) Ever since then, it's been back cinch all the way, snug but not super tight. |
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Location: South Georgia | I have started using one for about the last year. I keep it snug, but not tight. Once I get on, it loosens a bit with my weigh in the saddle. I like the look, and I like the notion of keeping the saddle flat on the back especially in turns and stops. |
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Married to a Louie Lover
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| lopnaround - 2017-10-03 3:31 PM
Bringing this one back out- I was at Jud Little's American Qualifier the other night and couldn't get over the number of people running without a back cinch! What would the benefit be of not using one? I bet at least 50% of the 80 runners didn't use one, including some big names. I also was watching the race post-getting bucked off my talented but touchy mare....wondering if the back cinch flanked her when we jumped over a ditch while gathering cows. So I will either be making adjustments or taking it off now!
If the cinch was correctly adjusted and securely connected to the front cinch it could not have flanked her. If it was hanging loose like so many I see then it could have bounced around and startled her I suppose.
Always on, always snug. |
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| I quit using one over a year ago after using one my whole riding life. I prefer without now |
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Location: MN | Yes! I wish I had used one beginning back in 2008 and I believe a very bad accident I was in could have been avoided. I never NOT use one now. |
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Location: Louisiana | Yes, and it's tight enough to keep my saddle on the right side of the horse should my front cinch fail me.
I've seen a lot of stuff happen where a tight back cinch would've helped not hindered.
I do keep my keeper short, so it's close to the front cinch and not back on their belly, also less likely to ride back should the keeper break. |
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Location: Windoming | nope |
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Location: Missouri | I hadn't ever used one before this summer when I borrowed a saddle because mine had broke and it had one. I did catch my spur rubbing it a few times and that made me really nervous to get hung up, but when I ran, I never did, just when I was relaxed walking around. I'm short so I thought maybe I was touching it because of that. I didn't notice much of a difference when running. I have my saddle back and I'm running without again. I don't have an opinion either way, this is just my story. |
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| OhMax - 2017-10-04 8:54 AM lopnaround - 2017-10-03 3:31 PM Bringing this one back out- I was at Jud Little's American Qualifier the other night and couldn't get over the number of people running without a back cinch! What would the benefit be of not using one? I bet at least 50% of the 80 runners didn't use one, including some big names. I also was watching the race post-getting bucked off my talented but touchy mare....wondering if the back cinch flanked her when we jumped over a ditch while gathering cows. So I will either be making adjustments or taking it off now! If the cinch was correctly adjusted and securely connected to the front cinch it could not have flanked her. If it was hanging loose like so many I see then it could have bounced around and startled her I suppose. Always on, always snug.
I think I had it too loose:/ I agree tho that for me, if I adjust it tighter and closer to front cinch the benefits are there. |
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| Meep.Meep - 2017-10-04 8:55 AM I quit using one over a year ago after using one my whole riding life. I prefer without now
Why do you prefer without? Just curious?
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| lopnaround - 2017-10-04 3:39 PM
Meep.Meep - 2017-10-04 8:55 AM I quit using one over a year ago after using one my whole riding life. I prefer without now
Why do you prefer without? Just curious?
Honestly, I can't tell a difference riding and running with one or without. I prefer without because it's one less thing to have on the saddle, less weight, more convenient to switch front cinches out for my different sized horses, and I don't have to worry about a horse swinging a hind leg forward at a fly and getting caught up before I get the back cinch grabbed and done up.  |
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Location: in the ozone | ALWAYS ride with one! I don't want the back of the saddle bouncing on my horses' backs, possibly causing soreness |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | Generally, yes. But I just bought a K-cinch (aka Y cinch) instead. Haven't tried it yet but I look forward to doing so. |
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Peecans
| I still use a back cinch, I never will not, its just who I am as a person even on my treeless.
But I will say if you are using a back cinch to stop your saddle from excessive movement and slapping your horses back, that saddle fit needs revaluated IMO. Things are still going to be moving, but instead of the saddle back popping up, its going to be the ribs being pulled up as the saddle tries to move around.
Their barrel will expand a lot when they are low and working hard, and a back cinch can effect that. It just feels a bit different to me and I really do prefer a back cinch, epically on my treeless actually. And of course my ranch saddle ... you never know when I might actually catch something  |
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Back Cinch...Do you use one?