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Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
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Poop? hahaha jk
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | kwanatha - 2017-03-06 8:41 PM Poop? hahaha jk
Poop was the first thing that popped into my head too, lol, Almost looks like a cow patty got caught up in the pellet making machine. Sorry, lol.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I saw that your not a fan of Stanlee, but I just started buying this brand and love it so far, I love how fresh it is.  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-06 9:08 PM
I saw that your not a fan of Stanlee, but I just started buying this brand and love it so far, I love how fresh it is.
Maybe I'll give it a go, I've heard some interesting things about them but it'd be nice to just be able to buy it at Tractor Supply down the road and go. |
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Location: California | I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 9:17 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-06 9:08 PM
I saw that your not a fan of Stanlee, but I just started buying this brand and love it so far, I love how fresh it is.
Maybe I'll give it a go, I've heard some interesting things about them but it'd be nice to just be able to buy it at Tractor Supply down the road and go.
I like that they dont use any binding agents to hold the alfalfa pellets together, its all 100% alfalfa, that is what caught my eye on this feed. And that right there is great knowing theres no binding products. |
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| Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 9:40 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there.
Where do you get the info for Bryant alfalfa pellets, I googled but cant find anything on them. I wanted to see if theres any binding they use for them. |
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| WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 8:36 PM
Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas??
Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
As you know, to make any type of pellet the product has to
be wet down, mixed, chopped up and then run thru a
pressurized baking procedure as the pellet is formed.
This appears to be burnt pellets caused by faulty equipment,
break for lunch, over night, and the head was not cleansed
of the burnt pellets before bagging started.
Or a change over from cow pellets to horse pellets with different
ingredients and different heat requirements...
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| WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 8:36 PM
Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas??
Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
As you know, to make any type of pellet the product has to
be wet down, mixed, chopped up and then run thru a
pressurized baking procedure as the pellet is formed.
This appears to be burnt pellets caused by faulty equipment,
break for lunch, over night, and the head was not cleansed
of the burnt pellets before bagging started.
Or a change over from cow pellets to horse pellets with different
ingredients and different heat requirements...
Why don't you call the company and let us know what they say?? |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-03-06 10:12 PM
WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 8:36 PM
Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas??
Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
As you know, to make any type of pellet the product has to
be wet down, mixed, chopped up and then run thru a
pressurized baking procedure as the pellet is formed.
This appears to be burnt pellets caused by faulty equipment,
break for lunch, over night, and the head was not cleansed
of the burnt pellets before bagging started.
Or a change over from cow pellets to horse pellets with different
ingredients and different heat requirements...
Why don't you call the company and let us know what they say??
I messaged them on Facebook and they saw it but no response yet. At least they're an ionophore free company.
I honestly worry more about choking hazard. There's quite a few of them in the bag and even though I soak them, whatever these are don't dissolve and are insanely hard. |
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Location: Arizona | I used Lakin brand pellets when I lived in AZ - lived there for 14 years & never had any issues with the brand. I use Standlee now that I live in MT, and do like them very much as well. Standlee has been super consistent from bag to bag. |
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| WiscoRacer - 2017-03-07 6:36 PM
Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas??
Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
ametza are crap..... sacate is out of az but I don't know where you are so I don't know if they ship to your neck of the woods
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Location: Where I am happiest | There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. |
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Location: Northwest | ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 2:28 AM
There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold.
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| ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM
There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold.
Well, crap, I switched back to Standlee cubes because I have a horse that sweats A LOT in the summer on alfalfa and thought he might do better on the timothy/alfalfa. Well, I guess I'll be going back to Mustang Sally cubes.
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Location: Got Lobsta? | ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 5:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold.
Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sandok - 2017-03-07 8:28 AM I use the Bluebonnet alfalfa pellets. They are smaller, softer and I have had no issues with them and the horses really like them.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
The only mill I know of owned by standlee is just south of Twin Falls Idaho. I've been by it several times and I never noticed "bad" hay. Do they have another mill out by you guys ThreeCorners??
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2017-03-07 8:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
I've been looking on their website and saw that they have their mill in Eden Idaho where they make their products, but thats the only mill that came up that I can see, found their Facebook and it looks really nice and very informative.. I like what I'm seeing so far, but like what Three Corners was saying about their hay spooks me, so trying to cover all my thoughts here. So I wanted make sure where this mill is at that ThreeCorners spoke of befor I said anything befor I called are email Standlee.. I want to check to see how many mills are out there, lol.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Whiteboy - 2017-03-07 8:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:49 AM
Sandok - 2017-03-07 8:28 AM I use the Bluebonnet alfalfa pellets. They are smaller, softer and I have had no issues with them and the horses really like them.
Are talking about the Performance Plus & Complete?
It's gotta be, I think thats the only one they make. I don't need all the ground corn, rice hulls, and ground oats. I just want either alfalfa or Bermuda, straight pellets with no fillers. Looking at the ametza ones they have tons of fillers, maybe they didn't mix it well enough and that's what the black pellets are.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-07 10:10 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:49 AM Sandok - 2017-03-07 8:28 AM I use the Bluebonnet alfalfa pellets. They are smaller, softer and I have had no issues with them and the horses really like them. Are talking about the Performance Plus & Complete? It's gotta be, I think thats the only one they make. I don't need all the ground corn, rice hulls, and ground oats. I just want either alfalfa or Bermuda, straight pellets with no fillers. Looking at the ametza ones they have tons of fillers, maybe they didn't mix it well enough and that's what the black pellets are. And I don't have a blue bonnet dealer anywhere near me at the moment. : (
Thats the only Alfalfa pelleted feed they have I love Bluebonnets feed and its all I feed is Bluebonnet, but this alfalfa feed is a complete feed with all the vitamins and minerals added to it and its a larger pellet {5/16} and it dont have any binding either, I have been using it too but have been wanting a all alfalfa pellets and this feed is not, so been looking and decided to give Standlee a try and loved the fact its all alfalfa NO binders and its a smaller pellet. Performance Plus and Complete is a great product but I just wanted a all Alfalfa feed . |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold.
I quit feeding Standlee cubes last fall after getting a 2nd batch of moldy stinky gross bags. 2 different stores in different towns, bags were not damaged. |
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Location: West Texas | I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use horse quality hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2017-03-07 10:57 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. I quit feeding Standlee cubes last fall after getting a 2nd batch of moldy stinky gross bags. 2 different stores in different towns, bags were not damaged.
I had problems with their baled Alfalfa and quit feeding it. The dust in them is beyond ridiculous. They told me it was from the process of compressing them. I had fed other compressed Alfalfa bales in the past and never had that problem. |
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| Tdove - 2017-03-07 11:20 AM
I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use unspoiled hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
Will it be a straight alfalfa pellet, or more like an Omni pellet?
Danco doesn't use GMO alfalfa do they? I know that there is not alot of proof out there concerning GMO vs. non-GMO, but I like to stay away from as much GMO as I can, just my personal preference. |
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Location: MN | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 8:36 PM Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas?? Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
I had this problem when I fed Standlee pellets too... |
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Location: Arizona | Whiteboy - 2017-03-08 7:59 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
This was my understanding as well, I used to live just north of some of their hay fields in Idaho and never saw anything amiss. But maybe they have fields and/or mills elsewhere now? |
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| Tdove - 2017-03-07 11:20 AM
I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use horse quality hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
This sounds intriguing! I'm also interested if it's going to be a straight alfalfa pellet.
On another note, I took the bag back to tractor supply and one of the employees walks in and goes "ANOTHER moldy bag of feed?"
Which I'm sure it wasn't mold, they smelled okay still, but the fact that that's the first thing she says. Need to find a better place to get quality feed. |
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Location: In the back forty | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 7:36 PM Just picked up a bag of Ametza Bermuda/Alfalfa pellets and found these super hard black pellets in it. Thought it could be molasses but I literally had to take a branch cutters to cut them in half. And don't judge me but I did taste one and they're not sweet at all and won't dissolve. Any ideas?? Or any suggestions for a pellet I can get in AZ that's good quality? Not a fan of standlee.
It kind of looks like cottonseed cake/pellets to me |
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Location: West Texas | GLP - 2017-03-07 11:45 AM
Tdove - 2017-03-07 11:20 AM
I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use unspoiled hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
Will it be a straight alfalfa pellet, or more like an Omni pellet?
Danco doesn't use GMO alfalfa do they? I know that there is not alot of proof out there concerning GMO vs. non-GMO, but I like to stay away from as much GMO as I can, just my personal preference.
Yes, the alfalfa used is not grown from genetically modified seeds and an all alfalfa pellet. The name for them will be AlfaLux
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GLP - 2017-03-07 11:45 AM
Tdove - 2017-03-07 11:20 AM
I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use unspoiled hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
Will it be a straight alfalfa pellet, or more like an Omni pellet?
Danco doesn't use GMO alfalfa do they? I know that there is not alot of proof out there concerning GMO vs. non-GMO, but I like to stay away from as much GMO as I can, just my personal preference.
Yes, the alfalfa used are not grown from genetically modified seeds and an all alfalfa pellet. The name for them will be AlfaLux
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sandok - 2017-03-07 11:14 AM I will have to look at my bag of alfalfa pellets tonight as I didn't think it was the Performance. The ones I have been getting from Bluebonnet is a smaller pellet so will have to look at the bag.
That would be great, if they are selling pure alfalfa pellets I would like to know, I would rather buy my alfalfa from a bluebonnet dealer if thats possible, |
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Location: California | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 8:40 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there.
My mother has an arabian gelding that will not eat the standlee and my paint gelding will choke every time they are fed even if they a moistened down. |
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Location: California | Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-06 9:01 PM
WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 9:40 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there.
Where do you get the info for Bryant alfalfa pellets, I googled but cant find anything on them. I wanted to see if theres any binding they use for them.
I'll see if we still have a bag so I can take a pic of the label. I buy them from a local feed store that also sells Bluebonnet. |
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| Serenity06 - 2017-03-07 3:55 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-06 9:01 PM
WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 9:40 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there.
Where do you get the info for Bryant alfalfa pellets, I googled but cant find anything on them. I wanted to see if theres any binding they use for them.
I'll see if we still have a bag so I can take a pic of the label. I buy them from a local feed store that also sells Bluebonnet.
If it's this company you're talking about, there's all kinds of other stuff in them besides alfalfa.
http://bryantgrainco.com/index.php/14-horse-pellet/
I did pick up a bag of standlee in the mean time. Had to wait a good 40 minutes for them to soak before I could feed them. I need to get to all the feed stores around here and document what they have for pellets. They're a bit more expensive too, $12.99 for a 40lb bag versus $9.99 for a 50lb. You'd think they'd be cheaper if there isn't all the added junk. Oh well. |
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Location: West Texas | Any concentrate that is under $10 a bag means it's got nothing but cheap junk food in it. Better off just to feed hay than that. Also, think of this: most pellets are cheaper than cubes, even within the same brand sometimes but it cost MORE to make pellets. Do you wonder how they get the cost down? Crap cheap hay is how it's done. Often times pellets are cheaper than the bale of hay you could buy, that means the hay in the pellet, you would take back to the feed store or never buy it in the first place. That is my issue with pellets, especially low cost ones. With forage, you generally get what you pay for.
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| Well I checked the bag last night and there is nothing on the bag and I know for sure it is not the Performance Complete. Pellets are smaller and I don't soak them as they seem to be a softer pellet. You could probably call Bluebonnet and find out. I also looked on their website but couldn't find them listed anywhere. I have tried the Standlee pellets before and just found them too hard. The Bluebonnet alfalfa pellets I get are more like their regular feed pellets. |
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Location: West Texas | These are probably what you are talking about.
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Location: California | WiscoRacer - 2017-03-07 9:49 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-07 3:55 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-06 9:01 PM
WiscoRacer - 2017-03-06 9:40 PM
Serenity06 - 2017-03-06 9:28 PM
I buy Bryant Alfalfa pellets because they are softer. I found the standlee pellets way too hard. Soaking isn't always possible so I choose to go with a softer pellet. I was using the Bluebonnet pellets but the Bryant ones are cheaper and are still great quality.
Good info, thank you! I'll have to see if they carry it around here. I'd like to not be able to soak.
I had a run in with the Standlee pellets once, fed them without soaking as I'd done many times before but this particular horse ended up choking at 10 o clock on a Sunday night. Definitely learned my lesson there.
Where do you get the info for Bryant alfalfa pellets, I googled but cant find anything on them. I wanted to see if theres any binding they use for them.
I'll see if we still have a bag so I can take a pic of the label. I buy them from a local feed store that also sells Bluebonnet.
If it's this company you're talking about, there's all kinds of other stuff in them besides alfalfa.
http://bryantgrainco.com/index.php/14-horse-pellet/
I did pick up a bag of standlee in the mean time. Had to wait a good 40 minutes for them to soak before I could feed them. I need to get to all the feed stores around here and document what they have for pellets. They're a bit more expensive too, $12.99 for a 40lb bag versus $9.99 for a 50lb. You'd think they'd be cheaper if there isn't all the added junk. Oh well.
No that's not what I'm feeding. Bryant has an a flat a pellet. It's not a concentrated feed it's alfalfa pellets.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Tdove - 2017-03-08 7:17 AM Any concentrate that is under $10 a bag means it's got nothing but cheap junk food in it. Better off just to feed hay than that. Also, think of this: most pellets are cheaper than cubes, even within the same brand sometimes but it cost MORE to make pellets. Do you wonder how they get the cost down? Crap cheap hay is how it's done. Often times pellets are cheaper than the bale of hay you could buy, that means the hay in the pellet, you would take back to the feed store or never buy it in the first place. That is my issue with pellets, especially low cost ones. With forage, you generally get what you pay for.
Doesn't it also have something to do with the ability to ship and store larger amounts of cubes/pellets for longer than a bale of hay? Economy of scale and all that. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Sandok - 2017-03-08 8:43 AM Well I checked the bag last night and there is nothing on the bag and I know for sure it is not the Performance Complete. Pellets are smaller and I don't soak them as they seem to be a softer pellet. You could probably call Bluebonnet and find out. I also looked on their website but couldn't find them listed anywhere. I have tried the Standlee pellets before and just found them too hard. The Bluebonnet alfalfa pellets I get are more like their regular feed pellets.
I have been looking too on Bluebonnets website, now that T-Dove posted a lable I see what you are talking about, I even googled the Alfa nibblets but hardly any info on them. So strange that Bluebonnet dont have them on their website, sure would be nice if they did have them on their site, I may have to call them and tell them they need to post this Alfa Nibblets for us to read about, lol.. |
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| Next time I am in there getting feed I will ask. I just work about 2 blocks from them in Ardmore, OK so it is easy for me to get feed and etc. So far I have been very happy with the Bluebonnet feed and horses seem to like it. |
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| No idea what's in your pellets. I'm going to be on the search for a new brand. I usually feed Standlee but the last couple bags my horses won't eat! I contacted them and they pretty much told me o well. I just had contacted them to see if there was other complaints or if they changed something. They were less than helpful. Not going to keep wasting my money on their products. |
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Location: Oklahoma | TDOVE I was feeding the omnis cubes when I first started over a year ago they was green. The last 2-3 times I got the cubes they was brown. Not just a little but brown. I am no longer feeding the omnis cubes for a different reason but the color change didn't help either. No I didn't call the company and complain What I am saying is the consistentcy changes no matter what you buy or how much you spend on a bag. |
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| Tdove - 2017-03-08 7:17 AM
Any concentrate that is under $10 a bag means it's got nothing but cheap junk food in it. Better off just to feed hay than that. Also, think of this: most pellets are cheaper than cubes, even within the same brand sometimes but it cost MORE to make pellets. Do you wonder how they get the cost down? Crap cheap hay is how it's done. Often times pellets are cheaper than the bale of hay you could buy, that means the hay in the pellet, you would take back to the feed store or never buy it in the first place. That is my issue with pellets, especially low cost ones. With forage, you generally get what you pay for.
I don't mind spending good money on quality pellets. I just don't think Standlee are any better quality than the Ametza, which is why I don't care to shell out more money for it.
I already feed free choice alfalfa, I just wanted a little extra something for my one horse as he gets worked harder. He's picky and will only eat the leaves and not the stems of the alfalfa. |
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| TDove-I would also like you take on the Omnis cubes being a different color. I picked up a bash Saturday and my dealer said that there was a mal-function in the bagging part and that the strip on the bag was not sewn on therefore would probably have to use scissors to cut the bag. Not a big deal but you do have to watch for and of the bag strings coming off and into the cubes. With this bag that I just opened and had to cut I noticed that the cubes were brown. Horses were not please with them either. |
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Location: Willows, CA | GLP - 2017-03-07 3:04 PM
Tdove - 2017-03-07 2:45 PM
GLP - 2017-03-07 11:45 AM
Tdove - 2017-03-07 11:20 AM
I have no idea what it is. Generally, all cubes, pellets, or any feed for that matter will have pieces of things getting into the feed. It could be a number of things, maybe some plastic that was baled into the hay or something similar to that scenario. There are a lot of choices for pellets out there. Generally, most pelleting mills use hay that isn't fit for sale as hay itself. Cubes are generally higher in quality, although some cubes are grinder hay and a few pelleting mills might use unspoiled hay, although I feel the latter to be very rare. I don't personally know about Standlee, so I am not commenting one way or the other. I have fed their pellets and they usually look to be high quality.
On a side note, Danco Forage is introducing a super premium pellet to the market soon. It is minimal 17% protein with actual protein being more around 19-20%. This will use only premium hay and will also contain more nutrition than other pellets. It is designed as an high energy, nutrient dense, partial forage, or partial concentrate replacement. The reason it is so potent and nutrient dense is that it is a dehy pellet. This means it is not dried in the field, losing energy and nutrients from the air and sun. It is cut and taken to a dehydrator to be quickly dried and then pelleted, with minimal nutrient loss.
Will it be a straight alfalfa pellet, or more like an Omni pellet?
Danco doesn't use GMO alfalfa do they? I know that there is not alot of proof out there concerning GMO vs. non-GMO, but I like to stay away from as much GMO as I can, just my personal preference.
Yes, the alfalfa used are not grown from genetically modified seeds and an all alfalfa pellet. The name for them will be AlfaLux
Thank you Tdove.
When will these be available in Texas? I have liked the overall quality that I hear from customers who have used the cubes. This can be a nice balancer for coastal programs along with RG. I look forward to seeing more about the new pellets. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Personally I think it's almost impossible not to ever find junk in our horse feed. I have found all kinds of interesting stuff and just picked out what looks like part of a tarp in my Mustang Sally Cubes. Luckily my horse didn't eat it. |
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| Nevertooold - 2017-03-09 5:45 PM
Personally I think it's almost impossible not to ever find junk in our horse feed. I have found all kinds of interesting stuff and just picked out what looks like part of a tarp in my Mustang Sally Cubes. Luckily my horse didn't eat it.
I agree, I bought some Standlee cubes recently and found 3 separate strands of baling twine in the bottom of the bag. I have found stuff in hay that we produced in our own fields. You never know what a high wind will send into a pasture. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Whiteboy - 2017-03-07 8:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
Yep, right by the freeway going into salt lake. Went by there 2 weeks ago and saw the hay sitting outside. Who knows, maybe that was filtered out? But after seeing the OP's pics it sure fit what I saw sitting outside the building. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2017-03-10 5:16 AM
Whiteboy - 2017-03-07 8:59 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-07 8:23 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-07 4:28 AM There is a Standlee factory/mill whatever you want to call it by me. If you saw the hay they use you would never feed it. I'm sure the inside of the bales are good, but the outside sure as heck isnt. We are talking black slime mold. Where is this mill at? You must be really close to this mill to beable to see the hay they haul in to make their pellets, I would like to call Standlee and see what they have to say. Since I'm new to their products I sure want to make sure its what they say it is.
Just to clarify, whatever I found in my alfalfa pellets was not found in a bag of Standlee pellets, Ametza was the brand I found whatever that was in. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Drove by the Standlee mill again yesterday and the hay stacked outside this time looked good and a new load was there being downstacked and it looked good. So perhaps the moldy stuff was set adide a reject. Who knows but yesterdays hay looked pretty nice. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2017-03-11 5:38 AM Drove by the Standlee mill again yesterday and the hay stacked outside this time looked good and a new load was there being downstacked and it looked good. So perhaps the moldy stuff was set adide a reject. Who knows but yesterdays hay looked pretty nice.
Glad to hear your seeing better hay , my understanding is they {Standlee} has their own fields and do their own cutting and baling, {no outside hay} My thoughts why would they have the crappy moldy slimy hay when they do all the inspecting of their own hay, I was told that would not get passed their inspection, all hay comes fresh out of the fields.. Was told if I ever get a bad bag, the pellets were not fresh and smelled like mold to please call them.
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Or they shut the dye down and it was hot. The product in the holes cooks as the dye cools down. When you start it back up, you have burnt pellets.
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| Sandok - 2017-03-09 11:22 AM TDove-I would also like you take on the Omnis cubes being a different color. I picked up a bash Saturday and my dealer said that there was a mal-function in the bagging part and that the strip on the bag was not sewn on therefore would probably have to use scissors to cut the bag. Not a big deal but you do have to watch for and of the bag strings coming off and into the cubes. With this bag that I just opened and had to cut I noticed that the cubes were brown. Horses were not please with them either. Noticed the color thing also with a pallet we bought, and the cubes were tougher than any I've bought before. The bag thing doens't bother me, but the horses aren't liking this pallet of feed, it's very dusty, cubes are brown and horses aren't eating them. Having to feed it to our calves which is TOO expensive to feed our calves and we travel an hour and a half to get them.
I asked and was told the new place was getting the binder mixture right or something, but we will be needing some feed soon however I don't want to buy anymore until we know we won't get a bad batch again. LOVE LOVE this feed, been feeding it for over a year, this is the first problem we have had. Wasn't offered any solutions yet. Hope to find out soon because we love this feed!!!
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-11 9:43 AM ThreeCorners - 2017-03-11 5:38 AM Drove by the Standlee mill again yesterday and the hay stacked outside this time looked good and a new load was there being downstacked and it looked good. So perhaps the moldy stuff was set adide a reject. Who knows but yesterdays hay looked pretty nice. Glad to hear your seeing better hay , my understanding is they {Standlee} has their own fields and do their own cutting and baling, {no outside hay} My thoughts why would they have the crappy moldy slimy hay when they do all the inspecting of their own hay, I was told that would not get passed their inspection, all hay comes fresh out of the fields.. Was told if I ever get a bad bag, the pellets were not fresh and smelled like mold to please call them.
I was told the same when I fed Standlee.
Still buy the small bags of cubes for my sibling's show rabbits but have switched to a different Alfalfa cube for my Horses. The Rabbits love the timothy hay as well so I buy a lot of that.
I got one bag of alfalfa cubes home that was moldy. Called the company and asked about it and they sent me a coupon for TWO FREE BAGS. They also updated me later and said the TSC where I was buying my bags was not properly rotating stock. The new bags kept getting stacked in front of the old bags. I just happened to grab an old bag once all the new stock was gone.
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