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Location: TEXAS | My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
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| slacy09 - 2017-03-07 9:11 AM
My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwtvNmXwMgo
I really can't tell by that video but could you be hanging on with the reins? I looked at another video that you were in and it did sort of look like that. I have a friend who runs in the 3D and I swear that horse could run 1D times if she did not hang on his head. She does not realize she is doing it. I can yell "get your hand up" an zupp right up his neck that hand goes. Funny. At least she listens |
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Location: TEXAS | streakysox - 2017-03-07 12:35 PM slacy09 - 2017-03-07 9:11 AM My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwtvNmXwMgo I really can't tell by that video but could you be hanging on with the reins? I looked at another video that you were in and it did sort of look like that. I have a friend who runs in the 3D and I swear that horse could run 1D times if she did not hang on his head. She does not realize she is doing it. I can yell "get your hand up" an zupp right up his neck that hand goes. Funny. At least she listens
Yes, I have been known to hang on his head with the reins...ugh I thought I was past that though!! I'll have to keep that in my brain every run!!! |
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| slacy09 - 2017-03-07 12:59 PM
streakysox - 2017-03-07 12:35 PM slacy09 - 2017-03-07 9:11 AM My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwtvNmXwMgo I really can't tell by that video but could you be hanging on with the reins? I looked at another video that you were in and it did sort of look like that. I have a friend who runs in the 3D and I swear that horse could run 1D times if she did not hang on his head. She does not realize she is doing it. I can yell "get your hand up" an zupp right up his neck that hand goes. Funny. At least she listens
I will try to find a video of my trainer. She does not really "get up" in the saddle but leans forward with the motion of the horse. With those Josey saddles with the forward hung stirrups (which we all have) it is way easier to lean forward than to have to lift my fat butt. Looking for video--- |
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| This is not my trainer but is a friend. Jana Beam Brown Do not know what kind of saddle, but good example
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad9Lnpi4IDU#t=74.164595
Jana had the fastest time of the go at the BFA in December
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| One simple thing to try to get them to leave and fire out of a turn is to work slowly and always LEAVE a barrel one stride quicker than you went in! walk in, trot out. Trot in, lope out, lope in run out. What it does is train the horse to anticipate leaving faster than they went into a turn. hope that helps! |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Looks like he may be trying to get tight in that turn for you and he's just too big. Maybe looks a little like he has to readjust himself on the back side and, on the third, you had to readjust his position a little. He might just need more room going into the turn so he doesn't have to slow down so much. |
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Location: Idaho | I'm no expert as I am not an aggressive rider by any means. But I watched some of your other video's as the one you posted was difficult to see anything. You might want to work on getting his head down, his head is pretty high in those turns.. almost like he is trying to get away, but not quite there yet. In another video he threw his head leaving the 2nd.
Maybe do some exercises on getting his head down, his back and underline lifted and rounding out so he can learn to push off and get more power and strength in those hindquarters. Then maybe teach him a cue to learn how to drive. He looks good, I think he just needs a little more edge.
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Location: TEXAS | DashNDustem - 2017-03-08 12:58 PM
I'm no expert as I am not an aggressive rider by any means. But I watched some of your other video's as the one you posted was difficult to see anything. You might want to work on getting his head down, his head is pretty high in those turns.. almost like he is trying to get away, but not quite there yet. In another video he threw his head leaving the 2nd.
Maybe do some exercises on getting his head down, his back and underline lifted and rounding out so he can learn to push off and get more power and strength in those hindquarters. Then maybe teach him a cue to learn how to drive. He looks good, I think he just needs a little more edge.
Thank you....I have been contemplating putting a tie down on him. |
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Location: somewhere up north | Do you currently do any drills to quicken his feet? Step across himself and move forward out of it. Drill away from the barrel to quicken his feet and then bring him to the barrel and when you kiss to him on the backside or ask him to move out he should respond more quickly. If not, go back away from the barrel and work on the drill. I think the bigger horses need more work on foot work and sometimes it takes longer for them to get it too. |
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| I've got a big horse too and did some drills to quicken up his turns. There is a great video on trainingbarrelhorses.com about this, I think it is with Danyelle Campbell. Pretty much whenever you leave the barrel you want to kiss to your horse to get him to speed up and really power out of the turn. You can do this away from the barrels as well...trot or lope a circle, and when you are finishing the circle, kiss to get him to speed up his feet and get out of the circle, then go on to another place in the arena to make another small circle and do the same thing. Eventually he will get to the point where he is ready to power out of the turn without you having to kiss to him. Hope this helps! |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | maybe time to ride the lightening
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Location: North Dakota | It is my opinion, that to get a horse to fire hard they have to be setup for the turn correctly and also execute the turn in a fashion that setups them up to fire out. I watched your video and you horse is dropping his front shoulder into every turn. This allows him to rock his weight to his inside front foot and disengages his hind end. This is why his turns are not quick nor can he fire out. Disengaging a hind end isnt just about swinging their butt in a turn. Some horses can turn shoulder first and be really fast, however, it is my opinion, that your horse isnt one of them. It is the biggest, most common thing I fix when riders come for help. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | slacy09 - 2017-03-08 1:51 PM DashNDustem - 2017-03-08 12:58 PM I'm no expert as I am not an aggressive rider by any means. But I watched some of your other video's as the one you posted was difficult to see anything. You might want to work on getting his head down, his head is pretty high in those turns.. almost like he is trying to get away, but not quite there yet. In another video he threw his head leaving the 2nd. Maybe do some exercises on getting his head down, his back and underline lifted and rounding out so he can learn to push off and get more power and strength in those hindquarters. Then maybe teach him a cue to learn how to drive. He looks good, I think he just needs a little more edge. Thank you....I have been contemplating putting a tie down on him.
I wouldn't necessarily put a tie down on(personal opinion). That would seem to get him to brace up and against it. If you want to get his head down and driving, you will have to take him back to the basics, getting him to give at the poll and getting him to round up his back, and drive his hind end up. Some horses are never broke to the point where they know how to do this |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I just watched the video and he's running around the barrels. He's not breaking down, collecting and making a turn.
It is not really possible to leave hard when they are stretched out like that.
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Location: North Dakota | slacy09 - 2017-03-07 9:11 AM My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwtvNmXwMgo
In this video, your first two barrels are too far away and to fuzzy to see much of anything.
On the 3rd barrel, it looks like he came into the turn too tight, and thus has to come wide and on the back and lose momentum to make it work. Give him more room when you come into the turn.
On one of your older videos, you didn't give him enough room on the 1st barrel. On another video, his 2nd was too tight and his head was in the air.
So maybe one thing would be to really make sure you are giving him room coming into the turn and on the backside of the turn. He's a big horse. He needs room.
Also .... nutrition. What are you currently feeding him?
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Location: TEXAS | r_beau - 2017-03-10 4:57 PM
slacy09 - 2017-03-07 9:11 AM My gelding is so big, about 16.3 and I feel like he's so slow around the first and leaving it. How do you get a bigger less catty horse quicker around them? He can run between so if I could get his barrels quicker we would be in business!!!
ETA: the ground was really dry and loose, so maybe that was a factor. I think it was for us at the 3rd barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwtvNmXwMgo
On the 3rd barrel, it looks like he came into the turn too tight, and thus has to come wide and on the back and lose momentum to make it work. Give him more room when you come into the turn.
On one of your older videos, you didn't give him enough room on the 1st barrel. On another video, his 2nd was too tight and his head was in the air.
So maybe one thing would be to really make sure you are giving him room coming into the turn and on the backside of the turn. He's a big horse. He needs room.
Also .... nutrition. What are you currently feeding him?
He's on coastal hay round bale and he gets danco forage Omni cubes. He also gets pro tub licks free choice |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-03-10 4:44 PM
I just watched the video and he's running around the barrels. He's not breaking down, collecting and making a turn.
It is not really possible to leave hard when they are stretched out like that.
Everyone, please pause and write this on your calendar! 1D said something nice and helpful!
1D, I agree. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | 1DSoon - 2017-03-10 4:44 PM I just watched the video and he's running around the barrels. He's not breaking down, collecting and making a turn.
It is not really possible to leave hard when they are stretched out like that.
This^^^^^ And I would not be putting a tie down on this horse. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Your videos are kinda hard to watch, but to me you need to get your hands down, thats why your horses head is coming up. Watch were your hands are, in one of your videos your hands are halfway up his neck and not enought reins to give him his head.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | classicpotatochip - 2017-03-11 3:27 PM 1DSoon - 2017-03-10 4:44 PM I just watched the video and he's running around the barrels. He's not breaking down, collecting and making a turn.
It is not really possible to leave hard when they are stretched out like that.
Everyone, please pause and write this on your calendar! 1D said something nice and helpful! 1D, I agree.
Every time I post it's helpful.
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Location: In a happy place | I don't think your horse needs a tie down. You were on his head which caused his head to come up. I rode a lot of big horses and loved them. When you get on a big horses head before a barrel you take their momentun in a turn and they can't fire out. And I know it is hard to ride them to the backside of a barrel before you pick up on the rein. But it will help them keep their momentun going. |
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Location: Kansas | I have a 16 hander who is really starting to come on now that I've had time to actually focus on him for a few months. The most helpful things I've done with him are (1) rollbacks - HUSTLE out of them, (2) a figure eight exercise with TINY figure 8s, and (3) counter arcing. He's naturally slow footed and so getting his shoulders moving with the counter arc exercises has really helped improve his footwork, which helps him leave a barrel with much more snap.
During a run, I concentrate on riding him all the way into the turn and getting my leg past the barrel before I sit down and ask him to come around. As we get to the back side, I really try to run my rein hand up his neck while pulling myself forward with the horn and hustling him with my body. I find that when I get my hips and my hand (SUPER IMPORTANT PART) forward on the way out of the turn, he can get his feet moving that direction faster.
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Location: In a happy place | rodeowithjoker - 2017-03-13 7:27 PM
I have a 16 hander who is really starting to come on now that I've had time to actually focus on him for a few months. The most helpful things I've done with him are (1) rollbacks - HUSTLE out of them, (2) a figure eight exercise with TINY figure 8s, and (3) counter arcing. He's naturally slow footed and so getting his shoulders moving with the counter arc exercises has really helped improve his footwork, which helps him leave a barrel with much more snap.
During a run, I concentrate on riding him all the way into the turn and getting my leg past the barrel before I sit down and ask him to come around. As we get to the back side, I really try to run my rein hand up his neck while pulling myself forward with the horn and hustling him with my body. I find that when I get my hips and my hand (SUPER IMPORTANT PART) forward on the way out of the turn, he can get his feet moving that direction faster.
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Location: Kansas | sorrel horse ranch - 2017-03-13 8:26 PM rodeowithjoker - 2017-03-13 7:27 PM I have a 16 hander who is really starting to come on now that I've had time to actually focus on him for a few months. The most helpful things I've done with him are (1) rollbacks - HUSTLE out of them, (2) a figure eight exercise with TINY figure 8s, and (3) counter arcing. He's naturally slow footed and so getting his shoulders moving with the counter arc exercises has really helped improve his footwork, which helps him leave a barrel with much more snap.
During a run, I concentrate on riding him all the way into the turn and getting my leg past the barrel before I sit down and ask him to come around. As we get to the back side, I really try to run my rein hand up his neck while pulling myself forward with the horn and hustling him with my body. I find that when I get my hips and my hand (SUPER IMPORTANT PART) forward on the way out of the turn, he can get his feet moving that direction faster.
Great answer rwj!
Thank you. I do want to add that typically with bigger horses, you need more momentum going into a turn in order for them to fire out of it. My gray isn't huge, but he's not small, and the harder I send him at first, the harder he turns and leaves.
Streak (16 harder) is proving to be similar. |
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