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Location: Gainesville, TX | Now many of us know that certain color markets or even just horses registered as Apps and Paints, frequently do not have as much interest despite the fact there are some stand out individuals.
That being said, if you have a typically registered quarter horse do you feel that certain white markings, nothing as extreme as paints or apps, but socks, blaze or bald faces, can greatly impact a horse's value or marketability? Personally I don't really care about how many socks or how much white one has all that much. I know horses can look a bit sharper with either no socks or 4 evenly matched socks etc. But it's just a lesser concern. Maybe this is more of a concern with people I have talked with because I do know its more of a concern in English riding.
What do you all think? Do socks or blaze faces greatly affect the value of a regular registered quarter horse in the barrel market? All opinions welcome. |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | On most horses, I just prefer solid color. Only acception to that rule for me, is on a sorrel. I like high stockings and a bald face or really wide blaze. But that is more because sorrels seem so plainly colored to begin with. Lol. So In my personal opinion, it does affect the value.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | A well balance horse is what I want, I dont care if its solid has white socks a blaze or no markings, I want a well blanace/built horse, I like the solids better but if there is some white thats ok as long as they or a nicely built animal.
Edit to add, yep theres alot of people out there that will pay more for a horse that is loaded with chrome, so yes it can make a difference on the value..
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Location: California | This is with a completely different breed; but when I bought my colt (black w/one white sock) they had him priced $1000 less just because of that. He's an Andalusian. Face markings are fine, but when it comes to Andalusians, apparently they don't like white on their legs. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Markings don't impact my willingness to buy or what I pay, but I'm a sucker for a sorrel with a white face. Last horse I bought was a buckskin with a strip face and one sock. At one point I had 5 sorrels with white faces and I joked that it was so my husband wouldn't know how many were actually out there. |
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Location: Northwest | I'm a sucker for a sorrel with stockings a large amount of white on the face. As far as added or decreased value, it doesn't impact my decision to buy but I think it does to certain people. I purchased a horse (OTT) a few years back from the breeder/owner and he said "I would have got a whole lot more for her if she had a fourth white stocking." Meh, ok. I guess I'm glad she didn't then :) |
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Location: Oklahoma | I'm a sucker for 4 knee high socks, a big blaze and belly spot... This mare I had from Cowan Brothers had it all... I miss her...
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| I don't think in a western discipline, non breed specific prospect type market, white markings hold all that much value in the HIGHER QUALITY animals. I do know quite a few people who will not buy a prospect without white but that is because they are looking at resale value if that animal doesn't make it. They also aren't paying over $1,500 for that animal as a two year old.
After selling my fair share of wash outs and "back yard" type horses, yes. White very much sells a horse to the every day back yard, one or two horse families. It is far harder for me to sell a good honest trail type solid red or solid bay than it is to sell a flashy chromed out animal that may have a quirk. |
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Location: Kansas | TwistedK - 2017-03-08 2:23 PM I'm a sucker for 4 knee high socks, a big blaze and belly spot... This mare I had from Cowan Brothers had it all... I miss her...
She was a nice mare, I agree with Jordan. I like 4 white stockings, and a big blaze. I like the chrome on horses |
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Location: MT | I do think chrome (on sorrels especially) makes a difference to some buyers. Personally I don't mind a solid horse at all, but have noticed that some people really are drawn to the chrome. Here's a picture of my husbands horse, people go Gaga over him because of the chrome (but he would still be an awesome horse without it).
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| I don't care about the color or markings on a horse. No such thing as a good horse of a bad color. I do not understand this dislike for sorrels either. I have heard that in the dressage world they don't care for having white on a leg because that through some off the judges, but I do not know if that is true. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | For me I don't mind a little white, as long as it's clean. I do not like a messy white face or splotchy patches. Just personal preference. But in all honesty, I have a mare with a wide blaze face that is crooked and it throws my OCD over the edge, but she is the best horse I've had in a long time. |
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Location: Somewhere around here | I think I'll be the odd man out and say I do not like my horse with much white on it,or "chrome" exactly. Now I don't mind white facial markings but the less white on a horses legs makes me more interested as a buyer. From my experience, old wives tale or not, the horses I've owned haven't had good hooves if they have a lot of white or have all four white hooves. I'd much rather take a bay with just a star than a sorrel with a big blaze and four white stockings any day. |
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| cecollins0811 - 2017-03-08 8:52 PM
I think I'll be the odd man out and say I do not like my horse with much white on it,or "chrome" exactly. Now I don't mind white facial markings but the less white on a horses legs makes me more interested as a buyer. From my experience, old wives tale or not, the horses I've owned haven't had good hooves if they have a lot of white or have all four white hooves. I'd much rather take a bay with just a star than a sorrel with a big blaze and four white stockings any day.
I agree. To me, finding a horse with 4 black feet is the equivalent to finding a 4 leaf lucky clover. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Pesonally no, but I do love hind socks and a strip down the face. But if you had a plain jane sorrel colt and a sorrel colt with chrome, most would pay more for the chrome. That is my experience selling horses. |
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| ruggedchica - 2017-03-08 4:24 PM
I do think chrome (on sorrels especially) makes a difference to some buyers. Personally I don't mind a solid horse at all, but have noticed that some people really are drawn to the chrome. Here's a picture of my husbands horse, people go Gaga over him because of the chrome (but he would still be an awesome horse without it).
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Location: Gainesville, TX | These are interesting comments as it seems more people are interested in white on sorrels because they are sort of plain without it, even call it chrome, but on a darker colored horse want less (the idea of four black feet). We have had two bays born with no white socks and only a small star. We actually haven't had any sorrels yet. Our couple of black foals have had socks and blazes. I guess I just look at them and think they still look pretty snazzy, no biggie. I think it would be cool to have a black horse with the four knee high socks and blaze face but do not feel it is very likely.
All this being said, we do breed weanlings that are a little higher on the value scale where *I hope* the white matters less than the pedigree/performance potential.
We were just having this conversation because we bought a couple more sorrel broodies and I tend to want to breed them to something yellow because of the greater chance of color value (let's be honest yellow sells better usually) but will be breeding a couple of them anyway to a sorrel stud (Streaking ta Fame) for 2018. Well, STF certainly has some white. One of these mares has a couple three higher socks and a blaze face. The other has almost no white. They both have excellent running bred pedis. We were just debating the potential value of the foals (one of which we are seriously considering keeping anyway) versus some of the others we have bred.
Before I married my husband, his family had bred a few of their own horses, especially out of his calf mare from high school. All of those foals ended up with blazes or significant white marks on their faces. Two have high back socks and one has a single low back sock. All of them have flaxen manes. I think they are pretty snazzy with or without the white (I am sure the mane helps). They have never been offered for sale or anything so I don't know what type of value they might have specifically (it's a different market as they are mostly foundation/roping stock). But it just has raised some interesting questions.
I tend to make breeding decisions based on performance/produce records, pedigree, and conformation, and keep color in consideration (i.e. yellow, roans, blacks, etc. sell a bit better) but just haven't put much thought into white markings when looking at stallions. |
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I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
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Location: Georgia | Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
Wanted to add....my 2014 filly is a little chromed up. I have had 2 people offer me over what I think she is worth, I assume because of her unique markings.
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Location: Georgia | My mother will literally not buy or even consider a horse if it has 3 or 4 white legs. She lives by that old wise tale about white feet. It gets on my ever lasting nerve, I myself love some chrome. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Runninbay - 2017-03-09 7:24 AM
Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
See to me this is not chrome but rabicano roaning (not true roan all the way around). But many people will call this horse a red roan. Genetically its not though. |
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Location: Georgia | oija - 2017-03-09 10:07 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 7:24 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
See to me this is not chrome but rabicano roaning (not true roan all the way around ). But many people will call this horse a red roan. Genetically its not though.
She would be considered a rabicano, even though she has to be registered as a sorrel because it is not a recognized coat pattern. I just consider anything with extra white markings as "chrome" :)
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| If you're buying a prospect for resale color definitely does make a difference in my experience. But if your buying a prospect for you to hang on to it doesn't really matter. I think color catches the attention of some buyers then if your horse is solid enough it'll finish the sale. That said I don't think most people will buy one just based on color or that color adds value but it can make buyers slow down a little when scrolling through sale ads. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Runninbay - 2017-03-09 7:24 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
That bay has the cutest face, looks like he/she put his/her face into a can of white paint, lol..
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Location: Northern Ontario | Well, I bought a loud tobiano paint mare because she was the one that fit my conformation and temperatment standards(not much nice horses here) Anyway, I prefer a plain bay, Brown or black horse....and roans.... they are my favorite. but a good horse is a good horse(even if its a paint lol) |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-08 11:25 PM
Pesonally no, but I do love hind socks and a strip down the face. But if you had a plain jane sorrel colt and a sorrel colt with chrome, most would pay more for the chrome. That is my experience selling horses.
I agree with this also. I personally love chrome but it wouldn't make or break a sale for me. I will look at horses no matter what color they are. However, I know enough friends with breeding ops that it makes a difference. The plain sorrel never gets as much attention as the one with the chrome or the buckskin. I know of a super nice gelding with not a speck of white but built very nice who hasn't sold but all of his siblings have because they were flashier. |
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| IMO "chrome", or white marking draw your attention to a horse. If you're at a sale and see three sorrels, and one has socks and a blaze, most people are automatically drawn to that one. Now I don't think it adds much "Value" to the more well bred horses as some have mentioned. I just bought a well bred project colt and he happens to have a nice blaze, and back socks, and front half socks, I've already had people tell me he's "flashy". I think "chrome", just makes them have an extra bit of eye appeal, which some people are willing to pay more for. |
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Location: Louisiana | I honestly don't care about colors, although I can appreciate a pretty horse. But yes, many people definitely care and because people care, it will affect price.
My husband has it in his mind that he wants a buckskin colt. Have you shopped for one of those?
Does white matter? His 4yo was given to him in exchange for riding a horse for 30 days. Because the guy didn't like his 4 white stockings and blaze. He doesn't look like a plain "ranch horse" lol. Bred to cut, smart, quiet, good solid feet, but too much white so practically given away. He's worth a whole lot more than what he charges to ride a horse for 30 days haha.
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| grew up on a big black ranch gelding with a blaze and 4 white stockings, people would actually rent him from us for the Tucson rodeo parade, he carried the flag many years. These screenshots of a video don't do him justice, he had silver hairs all throughout his tail too,
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Location: Way up North | I have a really chromed out red dun mare, high whites on all 4 with lots of white on her face and splashes under her jaw. People either think she's gorgeous or horrid, not much inbetween. Her full brother is a solid bay dun with a tiny bit of white on his face. He is very pretty but doesn't get the attention the mare does so I do think chrome makes a difference just in the fact it gets people's attention and more eyeballs looking at a horse usually makes a faster sale. |
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Location: Windoming | I had a sorrel with flaxen mane and tail with four white stockings and a blaze face that was a looker. A guy actually stopped me along the highway where I was riding him and asked me how much money it took to buy a horse like him. Too bad I wasn't smart enough to sell him on the spot, as it turned out.......... |
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Location: Northwest | Silly Filly - 2017-03-10 8:05 AM
I had a sorrel with flaxen mane and tail with four white stockings and a blaze face that was a looker. A guy actually stopped me along the highway where I was riding him and asked me how much money it took to buy a horse like him. Too bad I wasn't smart enough to sell him on the spot, as it turned out..........
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Location: Arkansas | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 9:33 AM
grew up on a big black ranch gelding with a blaze and 4 white stockings, people would actually rent him from us for the Tucson rodeo parade, he carried the flag many years. These screenshots of a video don't do him justice, he had silver hairs all throughout his tail too,
There is just something about a black horse to me. And when you throw in some white, well I just drool!!! I love your boy! |
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Location: Texas | I have my own personal preferences on colors and markings but markings or lack thereof don't change the price to me.
If I had two foals that were equal on all levels except for color, like palomino vs sorrel, the palomino would be priced a little higher than the sorrel. But if I had to foals that were equal on all levels except for markings, I wouldn't price them differently. |
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| I personally like solid with little to no white, but I absolutely think that flash sells. I had a palomino gelding with a big white face, dark legs, dapples, covered in bend or spots (looked like a leopard), because of his color I got double what he was worth.
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-09 10:19 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 7:24 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
I have a bay filly that is almost identical to this bay, except her snip is a tad smaller. |
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| I guess I"m weird, but I'm not a sorrel lover, I'd pick a gray or a bay over sorrel if same breeding/discipline any day. And I hate bald faces or blue eyes..just me! |
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Location: Georgia | hoofs_in_motion - 2017-03-13 10:08 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-09 10:19 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 7:24 AM Runninbay - 2017-03-09 8:16 AM
I've always been attracted to horses with big "snips" lol. Cant explain why. That being said, I wouldn't pay a dollar more for a horse just because of a white marking. I honestly prefer solid legs.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | casualdust07 - 2017-03-10 8:49 PM
I have my own personal preferences on colors and markings but markings or lack thereof don't change the price to me.
If I had two foals that were equal on all levels except for color, like palomino vs sorrel, the palomino would be priced a little higher than the sorrel. But if I had to foals that were equal on all levels except for markings, I wouldn't price them differently.
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Location: North of where I want to be | A good horse is never a bad color.
I personally prefer little to no white at all. Give me a dark bay no white and I have the flashiest horse around in my mind. I prefer solid legs.
I have in the last few years developed a liking for rabicanos, not full blown roans.
In our area chrome & flash sells! Palomino, Buckskin, ROAN, Wide white, high socks..etc. So just like a truck you put a little extra on it, it will sell.
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Location: North Dakota | IowaCanChaser - 2017-03-09 5:14 PM IMO "chrome", or white marking draw your attention to a horse. If you're at a sale and see three sorrels, and one has socks and a blaze, most people are automatically drawn to that one. Now I don't think it adds much "Value" to the more well bred horses as some have mentioned. I just bought a well bred project colt and he happens to have a nice blaze, and back socks, and front half socks, I've already had people tell me he's "flashy". I think "chrome", just makes them have an extra bit of eye appeal, which some people are willing to pay more for.
Agree. I am not one who seeks horses based on color. Its not a box to check on my list of must haves, although I would never turn down something in my range that's flashy. I'm actually a big fan of sorrels, with or without chrome. I have one mare with a small sock, and I have this mare with a ton of chrome. It might help close a deal if I ever decide to sell her, but I would not have paid more for her just based on color.
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