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Location: Idaho | Nope, but if that is true I'd be questioning if the stud is really a son of SoF. What is the world coming to. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I heard about that one too. Sounds like it is no dispute, but happening with several mare owners. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 8:50 AM I heard about that one too. Sounds like it is no dispute, but happening with several mare owners.
which stud is it?
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Location: Nebraska | please pm the name of the stallion |
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| Well I guess since there are already court cases I wasn't aware of I can say.. my fling with fame |
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Location: OH | It is a shame, he is a nice animal. I have seen him in person. |
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Location: Deep South | I don't understand the point of that? How would the stallion owner benefit? They've already been paid, they've already provided the semen.... ?? Do they have to pay to submit the breeder's report? Is that the issue? |
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Location: OH | BamaCanChaser - 2017-03-10 11:22 AM I don't understand the point of that? How would the stallion owner benefit? They've already been paid, they've already provided the semen.... ?? Do they have to pay to submit the breeder's report? Is that the issue?
I have no idea what the issue is but YES, you have to pay per horse bred when submitting your stallion report. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I'm not sure what the problem is. But when a stallion owner breeds a mare the information on that mare is submitted on a SBR (stallion breeding report) to AQHA. This triggers the physical copy of the breeders certificate (BC) to be mailed to the stallion owner. Plus then AQHA has the information in their system. I submit everything online anymore because it's quicker. So when I submit the SBR I also release the breeders certificate online if all fees have been paid by the mare owner. When the foal is born, they can go online and register their baby and the BC is already released. They don't need the physical BC. I have noticed that AQHA still sends me notice of the mare owner trying to register the foal even though I have already released the BC. Maybe it's a redundancy they want in place to protect the stallion owner. IDK
So my question is has all the above been done or did the stallion owner not do something? Does the mare owner not realize they can register the foal online? Or is it really outright fraud? There is no upside to screwing people if they have performed their obligations. None. The word gets around fast. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 10:51 AM I'm not sure what the problem is. But when a stallion owner breeds a mare the information on that mare is submitted on a SBR (stallion breeding report) to AQHA. This triggers the physical copy of the breeders certificate (BC) to be mailed to the stallion owner. Plus then AQHA has the information in their system. I submit everything online anymore because it's quicker. So when I submit the SBR I also release the breeders certificate online if all fees have been paid by the mare owner. When the foal is born, they can go online and register their baby and the BC is already released. They don't need the physical BC. I have noticed that AQHA still sends me notice of the mare owner trying to register the foal even though I have already released the BC. Maybe it's a redundancy they want in place to protect the stallion owner. IDK So my question is has all the above been done or did the stallion owner not do something? Does the mare owner not realize they can register the foal online? Or is it really outright fraud? There is no upside to screwing people if they have performed their obligations. None. The word gets around fast.
I agree. From the stallion owner perspecive, this makes no sense. We are missing something here. |
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| Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page. |
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Location: Deep South | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:06 AM
Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page.
I read the post. Sounds like a shady character.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | HORSE OWNERSHIP SUMMARY
REG. NO. HORSE'S NAME COLOR SEX DATE FOAL ST
X0710979 MY FLING WITH FAME BAY ROAN STALLION 04/23/2012 OH
Additional Horse Information for MY FLING WITH FAME:
Genetic Typed
Frozen Semen/Embryo Transfer
Dam Has Embryo Enrollment
SIRE DAM MATERNAL GRANDSIRE
3806003 A STREAK OF FLING X0682819 LL HEARTBREAKER 2874147 DASH TA FAME
DESCRIPTION NAME ADDRESS DATE OF SALE DATE TRANSFER RECORDED
BREEDER : PATSY J SIGMAN MCCONNELSVILLE, OH N/A N/A
CURRENT OWNER : PATSY J SIGMAN MCCONNELSVILLE, OH 04/23/2012 N/A |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The woman that is showing as the owner of the stallion is also the breeder; she's the owner of the mare at the time of breeding her to ASOF. How is she not the rightful owner of the stallion? Something is hinky with this story. There are also no registered foals by this stallion showing up on AQHA. So whoever said they finally got the papers on their 2 year old by him, is also not telling the truth. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | BamaCanChaser - 2017-03-10 9:11 AM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:06 AM Amanda Dilbone Griffo posted a warning about it on facebook that has a lot of that info... wish I could link it here but it's on her page. I read the post. Sounds like a shady character. https://www.facebook.com/AmandaDilboneGriffo
I wouldn't beleive everything I read on this rant on FB. HOW can someone that was listed as the owner of the dam at time of breeding AND foaling, and hence is listed as the BREEDER (and only owner) of said horse, have "stolen" him from someone when he was a yearling? That makes ZERO sense! The breeding report (or lack there of)
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Location: OH | No matter what---it is a mess and the stallion will suffer the consequences, which is a shame. He is NICE. There is a video up from last weekend and it was a trainwreck----but he is a nice horse. |
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| Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report. |
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| On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report.
What do you mean a horse that is in dispute? If the owner is suspended, they can't file a SBR.
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM
gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
Who's roasting her? Are you referring to facebook or this thread, I think everyone has stayed pretty neutral on here, just trying to figure out what's going on. Like the saying goes... There are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth. |
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:50 PM Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report. What do you mean a horse that is in dispute? If the owner is suspended, they can't file a SBR.
More of a general question. If ownership of a horse is disputed (specifically a stallion), are there restrictions on the horse while they work out the dispute. I can see forgery, theft, divorce, reposession all as possible reasons for an ownership dispute, but not nececarilly suspension of any of the parties involved. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 11:10 AM
OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
Who's roasting her? Are you referring to facebook or this thread, I think everyone has stayed pretty neutral on here, just trying to figure out what's going on. Like the saying goes... There are two sides to every story, and then there's the truth.
On the facebook page of the person who says she's having trouble getting a BC. There are people coming out of the woodwork to say all kinds of things. |
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Location: North Dakota -> Colorado | gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
Based on heresay on the facebook post, " that is what she did to steve her boyfriend before you i think... he has proof he owned this horse as a partner with patsy... its called bank checks but when the paperwork came guess who only put her name on the papers because she knew she was going out the door". I have no dog in this fight, however I do think it is necessary that if there is a lot of problems going on with not getting Breeder's certs then it's not something that should be hidden from the public. Also, answering a past post on this thread, the lady that said take to court that is what her sister did to get papers, she was reffering to a completely different stallion/owner combo, just sharing insight on how you can go about challenging the case to get the breeders cert. Bad deal all around. |
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| Whiteboy - 2017-03-10 12:27 PM
Does AQHA put sanctions on a horse that is in dispute?? Preventing them from filing a breeding report.
AQHA can suspend a stallion owner and they cannot transfer papers into or out of their name. I do not think that if you are suspended that you can file a stallion breeding report. That pretty much makes the stallion worthless. Ithink there are more people suspended because of faulty stallion reports than anything. Usually, a mare is left off the report. If AQHA contacts you about the error and you comply everything is good. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
So if this Steve is in fact involved, my guess is he is the one that disputed (with some sort of proof of payments) ownership with AQHA over the stallion and thus AQHA has put a hold on all their horse/stud business. Having dealt with divorce/horse issues etc, I feel sorry for all involved because AQHA can usually care less who misses out on papers etc, they are held to the rules of the court and usually wash their hands of the entire deal. Honestly, there isn't much they can do otherwise. |
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Location: Kansas | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 2:48 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
My opinion.....she shouldn't be standing him at stud until the issues with AQHA are cleared up....because then people won't get screwed over breeding to him, and getting grade colts |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | hoofs_in_motion - 2017-03-10 2:11 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-03-10 2:48 PM TurnNBurn-3Barrels - 2017-03-10 1:28 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 1:06 PM RacingQH - 2017-03-10 12:45 PM gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:27 AM On the post it talks about her forging a mans signature so she is shown as the breeder. If that is true or not I don't know. I don't think anyone believes everything they read off of facebook, or here for that matter, but with that many people coming forward saying they've had bad experiences it deserves to be discussed. That isn't what I read. What I read said that she "stole" this horse from someone that had bought his as a yearling. The person whose name she "supposedly" forged NEVER listed as an owner of this stallions dam.
I never said it shouldn't be discussed. (IMO people need to know that there could very well be an issue.)
But when one thing that is said doesn't sound true according to AQHA records, how much ELSE is also not true? Maybe none, or maybe all.
I was referring to other comments from the post that have been deleted.
If she has done 1/2 of what I have read she has, I doubt she cares. All crooks are in the horse business, just not everyone in the horse buisness is a crook. Good luck weeding them out. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-03-10 12:47 PM
Well all I can say is most of what has been stated on that thread is NOT true. Proven by checking records available to anyone. So is she actually at fault or is this a vendetta against her by someone that owes her money and she's refusing to give them the BC? I haven't called AQHA to find out if she has or hasn't filed a SBR so I don't know. If someone wants to do that, AQHA will give out information about whether any have been filed for any year 2016 or before. I also don't know if this woman deserves the roasting she's getting.
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| gunner07 - 2017-03-10 10:50 AM
Well I guess since there are already court cases I wasn't aware of I can say.. my fling with fame
OMG!!! He was on my stallion list!!!! Jeez oh man... |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I just called AQHA. The stallion has never been 5 panel tested. They have never received a SBR for him. Which is why there are no BC being issued. Then I asked if the owner of the horse is suspended or if there were any red flags on their account. She said no.
Usually I research a stallion that I'm interested in breeding to. Years ago I pulled a performance report on a stallion by DTF I was interested in. The owners were advertising him as having a SI 98. He had an official SI from AQHA of 86.
My point in mentioning the above is WHY do consumers have to depend on rumor and luck to find out you spent $$ to get a foal that has not had the stallion owner do their due diligence. I'm beginning to think the woman deserves what she's getting. IMO the people involved need to go after her legally. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | jbhoot - 2017-03-10 4:39 PM
How many colt crops has the stud had?
There is no way to know,(ZERO breeding reports have been submitted for him.) unless someone bred to him every year they had a chance. He is only 5yo. So there CAN'T be very many. |
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Location: A roping pen near you!! | How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! |
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| RacingQH - 2017-03-11 11:14 AM
jbhoot - 2017-03-10 4:39 PM
How many colt crops has the stud had?
There is no way to know, (ZERO breeding reports have been submitted for him. ) unless someone bred to him every year they had a chance. He is only 5yo. So there CAN'T be very many.
Yes I know. I was just asking since there seems to be people in the know on this thread if it was one or two crops just to get an idea on how many colts effected by this. |
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| turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM
How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!!
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Location: A roping pen near you!! | jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | turnum - 2017-03-11 6:26 PM jbhoot - 2017-03-11 5:26 PM turnum - 2017-03-11 3:12 PM How can she be the owner and breeder and steal him, very carfully it's called DIVORCE and she put him in her name when she knew she was leaving!! I don't think they where married.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | So, If I am reading all the responses correctly:
Lady bought a Stud with BF or Husband. Decided to leave husband. Put Stud in her name only.
Husband or BF finds out and has proof of mutual purchase.
Breeder/Owner of Horse (Patsy) has never had the horse 5 panel tested. Has never submitted a SBR, and has never issued BC.
AQHA has no holds so the only reason why people aren't getting BCs is because she doesn't want to issue them.
So from all of that, here is my two cents:
How many foals will be grade now and may or may not have genetic disorders, etc ? How many owners will not spend the extra money on training a grade foal and will most likely sell the foal in an auction the second they wean to try and recoup loses to try again next breeding season? How many horses will most likely eventually end up in a slaughter situation for lack of papers and training who would have otherwise been great prospects for our industry?
The snowball effect makes me angry. All because this breeder is plain lazy and inconsiderate. Non responsible stud owners erk me. If everything above is true, This is truly terrible. |
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| Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal..... |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual. |
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Location: Washington. (The DRY side.) | ThreeCorners - 2017-04-09 6:00 PM ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal..... My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual.
AND be sure he has been 5 panel tested. (Ask AQHA yourself, do NOT take her word for it.) Because if he HASN'T, all of the breeding reports in the world won't do you a bit of good, You will STILL have a grade foal. |
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| ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
Anybody even considering breeding to this stud need to have their brains examined. |
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| In the comments they said that the dispute on ownership of the stallion was with the current owner and her ex husband or boyfriend, so that is where people are getting the story that the horse's ownership is in dispute. Also the guy that got the papers on a two year old was with a different stallion but same situation...per the comments on the Facebook thread lol |
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| I understand, just want to see if this was being resolved as she said or not. He's a nice horse, too bad he is being wasted. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-10 6:31 PM
I understand, just want to see if this was being resolved as she said or not. He's a nice horse, too bad he is being wasted.
She's been dishonest in the past. Do you really want to go there? Call AQHA and ask them if there is a SBR filed on that stud and for what years. Ask them if he's been 5 panel tested. If either of those things haven't been done, that woman is looking for her next victim. Don't be the next victim. You won't get a registered foal. Even if she has caught up with her obligations, I wouldn't get involved with someone who would take money from people and not perform her duty to them. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Love2runbarrels - 2017-04-10 3:21 PM
In the comments they said that the dispute on ownership of the stallion was with the current owner and her ex husband or boyfriend, so that is where people are getting the story that the horse's ownership is in dispute. Also the guy that got the papers on a two year old was with a different stallion but same situation...per the comments on the Facebook thread lol
She's still a liar. AQHA has no record of there being a dispute. Trust me. I was once in a dispute with someone over a registered horse. I sent AQHA a copy of the legal complaint against the person and flagged the mares papers. In fact, I paid $50 to flag all my horses papers. AQHA would call me every time a transfer came in from me to make sure it was allowed until I removed the hold on them. They knew there was a dispute and so should they know about that stallion's ownership issues. Someone would have filed a hold on transfers or that woman would be able to transfer him to someone else and hide him from the Ex. |
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Location: In the back forty | Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.  |
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| ThreeCorners - 2017-04-09 8:00 PM
ShiannBarrelRacer01 - 2017-04-09 7:24 PM Any update on this? I want to breed to him but am terrified of this result. I did contact her fb page and she said she sent in breeders reports ect and it was just a mess with an ex but everyone who provided mares info (reg names, ect) had a report filed. That's all I know, but am very leary of this deal.....
My advice is 2 fold.
1) IF you are dead set on THIS stallion then I would call AQHA and see if a breeders report has been filed like she said. That breeders report would list names of mares and the owners and contact some of them and make sure they got their breeders certificate and have a registered baby. Only due diligence will either varify her story or prove she is lying.
? 2) OR, you could save yourself the headach of it all and go to a different A Streak Of Fling son. There are many that are darn sure nice and a array to chose from to compliment your mare. A Dash Ta Streak is very nice and the colt we got last year by him is VERY nice!! He is beautiful, very balanced, and has a incredable mind. Everything is so easy with him. He is the third foal from his dam and he is by far the nicest she has produced so far and he is the cheapst stud fee we have spent on her. One stallion was $4000 . We have her booked to French Streakin Jess and as soon as she foals this years baby she will be bred to him. He was sure impressive in the barrel pen being a major ( Not a small futurity) futurity winner and slot race winner before being injured. He also stands for only $1500 and is a very impressive individual.
AQHA IS NOT GOING TO VIEW HIM AS A STALLION OR ANY
PAPERWORK UNTIL HE GETS HIS 5 PANEL TESTS DONE!!
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ma77_1 - 2017-04-11 4:26 PM
Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.
Yes that's all possible. IF it weren't for the fact she's well aware she hasn't done any of this and if she didn't know, AQHA would have sent her letters to inform her there's a problem. That's why I said the foal owners need to go after her legally. She's committing fraud. Theft. |
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| OregonBR - 2017-04-12 11:40 AM
ma77_1 - 2017-04-11 4:26 PM
Okay, when all is said and done it looks like this to me; IF she did send in SBR to AQHA, and IF they have not received the Panel that they required on him, then she may think she has done her part, BUT she may not be aware that the AQHA isn't recording the SBR due to not having all requirements fulfilled on the stallion (i.e. the Panel they require for him). That seems to be the sticking point, so if she calls them and then sends in the Panel they need, then by re-submitting the SBR and paying any 'late' fees, etc., THEN perhaps the Mare owners can get their BC's and register their foals.
The only other thing is this; sometimes even AQHA makes mistakes--I know of a very prominent ranch/stallion owner who had bred quite a few mares one year and sent in the fees and the SBR and then next spring when both their customers and they themselves started trying to submit registrations, absolutely no BC's had been issued and AQHA said they never received the SBR. Fortunately they had copies of what had been submitted and had the cancelled check for SBR fees, etc. and finally got it all straightened out. I also know another person who they crossed up foal reg. applications/photos with another persons foal reg. application/photo and AQHA said that the foal color did not match the registration application descriptions. They finally got it straightened out after several phone calls. Do not hesitate to phone them to straighten out problems--anyone can make mistakes. All that to say maybe someone should just ask her to please call AQHA and find out if they received the SBR and if not she needs to resend it and also send in the Panel they wanted.
Yes that's all possible. IF it weren't for the fact she's well aware she hasn't done any of this and if she didn't know, AQHA would have sent her letters to inform her there's a problem. That's why I said the foal owners need to go after her legally. She's committing fraud. Theft.
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Stallion... fraud?