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| What would you expect to pay for 30 days riding on a green broke pony? Expectations are for inexperienced kids to be able to safely ride/handle the pony. I think $550 for 30 rides is fair. That would include time/mileage to boarding facility. My husband thinks that is high. What are your thoughts? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Does the 550 include feed and hay?
I think 550 for 30 rides not 30 days is pretty competitive. Especially if the trainer is promising the pony to be beginner safe and friendly.
ETA I was paid $500/month per horse for people wanting miles put on their horses with nothing special done. Just miles and wet saddle blankets. I only took 3 horses each month and rode them all at least twice a day. Once in the morning and once in the evening.
The owners brought their own feed and hay. Horses were fed twice and day and were not hauled anywhere. I was no trainer by any means but had cows to push and time to be filled so people would call me to put miles on them.
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| Owners would supply all hay/feed. The 30 rides would be to put a handle on the pony and experience it to all types of kid antics. Lots of pustule riding and new experiences. No promises the pony will make a beginner kid's horse.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
My thought too, to me it takes a lot more then 30 rides,, more like a couple years worth.  |
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| My husband is 700 for 30 days including feed/hay. I think 550 is pretty reasonable. Will you be leaving him for several months? I dont know of anything thst goes from green broke to kid safe in 30.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-20 10:44 AM
Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
My thought too, to me it takes a lot more then 30 rides,, more like a couple years worth.
I am totally aware of that.. I wish they would have come to me BEFORE purchasing the green pony. I was just asked to put a handle on the pony. I ride a lot of ponies, and actually have an older one right now that I think would fit them much better. I think at the end of 30 rides/or days if I am not totally comfortable with how he is progressing, I will suggest to them the older one I have and offer to find a home for the younger one. I don’t want to sound like a “wheeler & dealer” –I am not! The older pony I have was born on my place and I will be very particular as to where he goes, and I know they would give him a good home and I would see him often. I honestly want what is best for the ponies & kids and everyone to stay safe..
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| veintiocho - 2017-03-20 11:08 AM Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-20 10:44 AM Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month. My thought too, to me it takes a lot more then 30 rides,, more like a couple years worth. I am totally aware of that.. I wish they would have come to me BEFORE purchasing the green pony. I was just asked to put a handle on the pony. I ride a lot of ponies, and actually have an older one right now that I think would fit them much better. I think at the end of 30 rides/or days if I am not totally comfortable with how he is progressing, I will suggest to them the older one I have and offer to find a home for the younger one. I don’t want to sound like a “wheeler & dealer” –I am not! The older pony I have was born on my place and I will be very particular as to where he goes, and I know they would give him a good home and I would see him often. I honestly want what is best for the ponies & kids and everyone to stay safe..
I see now. You are the trainer in this situation. Be careful, sounds like those folks are expecting a lot in a short amount of time. |
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Location: Texas | $550 is very reasonable but 30 days definitely isn't long enough to make any horse kid safe. |
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| Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM
It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
They probably want the child to grow up with the pony and don't want something OLD that is ready for the killer. That is what I hear all the time.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Bear - 2017-03-20 9:41 AM It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
And some still never have a kids mount mindset. We have a home raised colt that is going to be very small, but is just a kind and quiet minded horse. I am hoping he will make a kids horse. We plan to send him to be started and ridden steady for a solid 4 months as a 3 yr old. Then we will bring him home and ranch on him for 2 yrs before I will ever put my son on him. Doesn't matter if they are 12 hands or 15 hands. They can still scare the begisus out of a kid if they aren't broke well enough and SOLID. Especially an inexperienced kid. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | I wouldn't even give them a price. That pony does something the least bit wrong your name as a trainer will be attached to the stories they tell.
Take the opportunity to educate them that the timeline isn't reasonable and you're not betting your career on the outcome. My gosh look at the little girl killed recently. Child safe performance horse. Things still happen and they will most definitely happen on a greenbroke something with no qualified experience over time proving itself. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2017-03-20 12:50 PM
I wouldn't even give them a price. That pony does something the least bit wrong your name as a trainer will be attached to the stories they tell.
Take the opportunity to educate them that the timeline isn't reasonable and you're not betting your career on the outcome. My gosh look at the little girl killed recently. Child safe performance horse. Things still happen and they will most definitely happen on a greenbroke something with no qualified experience over time proving itself.
What I fear, is by not taking the pony in, they will continue to “work” the pony on weekends only and someone is bound to get hurt as they were telling me they had one of the kids on it in the round pen, and none of the kids have been around horses.
Another thing I don’t want is for them to see after 30 days consistent riding, the pony having a decent handle and thinking that’s good enough and taking it from there.. where I know they’ll only be riding on the weekends and things can unravel quickly…
That is why I am leaning towards helping them find a new home for it. Trust me, I don’t want to be in this situation as one of the parents is a good friend of my husbands.
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| These sound like the kind of people that get their kids hurt because they wont take the time to educate themselves properly :( |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Southtxponygirl - 2017-03-21 9:44 AM
Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
My thought too, to me it takes a lot more then 30 rides,, more like a couple years worth.
I agree with you guys...m |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | In my opinion, you are maybe getting too sucked into an unrealistic expectations scenario. You should be direct and upfront to them and don't sugar coat anything. Obviously everyone agrees that taking a green broke horse to the level of "kid safe" in one month is ridiculous, not to mention dangerous. Save yourself the headache and the risk.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I see yesterday we had a 10 year old killed in a wreck down here in TX. From the videos I've seen, she's been riding very nice, level-headed, well broke horses. She sits well. She wore a helmet. Something unpredictable happened in the warm up pen, the horse was somehow spooked, and it went up and over, killing her. Very very tragic thing. Rare accident, but they happen, and it sounds to me the folks were doing everything the right way.
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| Bear - 2017-03-20 1:28 PM
In my opinion, you are maybe getting too sucked into an unrealistic expectations scenario. You should be direct and upfront to them and don't sugar coat anything. Obviously everyone agrees that taking a green broke horse to the level of "kid safe" in one month is ridiculous, not to mention dangerous. Save yourself the headache and the risk.
Just lay it out there. If they don't like it, then that's too bad.
Thank you yes, I will be very upfront with them as I think their glasses are a little rose colored. :)
I don’t expect any pony to be childproof in that short amount of time, that is just where this pony’s training would be focused(rather than to say 30 days barrels, goats, or roping).
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | veintiocho - 2017-03-20 1:15 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2017-03-20 12:50 PM I wouldn't even give them a price. That pony does something the least bit wrong your name as a trainer will be attached to the stories they tell.
Take the opportunity to educate them that the timeline isn't reasonable and you're not betting your career on the outcome. My gosh look at the little girl killed recently. Child safe performance horse. Things still happen and they will most definitely happen on a greenbroke something with no qualified experience over time proving itself. What I fear, is by not taking the pony in, they will continue to “work” the pony on weekends only and someone is bound to get hurt as they were telling me they had one of the kids on it in the round pen, and none of the kids have been around horses. Another thing I don’t want is for them to see after 30 days consistent riding, the pony having a decent handle and thinking that’s good enough and taking it from there.. where I know they’ll only be riding on the weekends and things can unravel quickly… That is why I am leaning towards helping them find a new home for it. Trust me, I don’t want to be in this situation as one of the parents is a good friend of my husbands.
I would do the new home, or if you think it's a suitable resale for you, take it in as yours and sell later when you've made a good and travelled citizen of him.
I guess I'd care less about their stupid human tricks when it's their decision on their property on their pony. I wouldn't take one and send it home in 30 days knowing they wanted a kid broke horse from me. Put the "if a kid gets hurt" on the end of either sentence. I'd rather that not be on me.
If they really cared to develop a horse and lifelong horsemen and women, they'd invest the money and time in making a safe, seasoned, pony. They aren't doing the pony or their kids any favors in taking shortcuts.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Tilt The Kilt - 2017-03-20 2:44 PM veintiocho - 2017-03-20 1:15 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2017-03-20 12:50 PM I wouldn't even give them a price. That pony does something the least bit wrong your name as a trainer will be attached to the stories they tell.
Take the opportunity to educate them that the timeline isn't reasonable and you're not betting your career on the outcome. My gosh look at the little girl killed recently. Child safe performance horse. Things still happen and they will most definitely happen on a greenbroke something with no qualified experience over time proving itself. What I fear, is by not taking the pony in, they will continue to “work” the pony on weekends only and someone is bound to get hurt as they were telling me they had one of the kids on it in the round pen, and none of the kids have been around horses. Another thing I don’t want is for them to see after 30 days consistent riding, the pony having a decent handle and thinking that’s good enough and taking it from there.. where I know they’ll only be riding on the weekends and things can unravel quickly… That is why I am leaning towards helping them find a new home for it. Trust me, I don’t want to be in this situation as one of the parents is a good friend of my husbands.
I guess I'd care less about their stupid human tricks when it's their decision on their property on their pony. I wouldn't take one and send it home in 30 days knowing they wanted a kid broke horse from me. Put the "if a kid gets hurt" on the end of either sentence. I'd rather that not be on me.
If they really cared to develop a horse and lifelong horsemen and women, they'd invest the money and time in making a safe, seasoned, pony. They aren't doing the pony or their kids any favors in taking shortcuts.
Agree on this ^^^^ I would be telling these people to go buy one that is safer and thats been there and done that, it takes a special one to take care of a person thats green, I dont think this is the one for them. I would not be taking this one on, if this child ever gets hurt are just falls off I bet they will be pointing fingers at you, I dont care how good of friends you are with them, you will be the one that gets blamed. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Bear - 2017-03-20 10:41 AM
It seems like a tall order to expect a pony to go from green broke to kid safe within a month.
My thoughts exactly. With what they're gonna pay in training go out and by a more broke pony |
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