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Location: MN | stayceem - 2017-03-30 9:09 AM
I picked a filly up that was fed 6 pounds of straight outs am/pm.
I think we will never know what truly is good for horses. Same with people, every person has a different philosophy on health and nutrition.
so, that is 12 pounds per day?
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Location: NE Texas | Me. I feed one pound per day simply as a medium in which to mix my Cur-OST. They should not be fed more than 2 pounds per feeding. I rely on my forage for the biggest part of my program, then Cur-OST, then oats. Oats are energy dense, meaning a little goes a long way from a calorie perspective. I don't mean that in the way of fats, but in the sense of energy. That's why some say their hores get hot on oats.....they are very energy dense. |
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| Sugar isn't good for anything. That includes starch. And look how many quarter horses have metabolic issues anyway.
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| My vet says the best is just rolled oats. However all three of my horses will not eat oats after being on Total Equine. They turn their noses up and walk away. So back on Total Equine |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Mine get anywhere from 1-3 lbs of whole oats, with 1 lb rice bran twice a day. They are on pasture 24/7. Cubes are added for the ones that are worked daily, or youngsters.
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| I have a mare who will absolutely tie up on oats!!! Does NOT matter if its 1 pound or 20, if she gets oats, she will tie up every time I ride her. She is on curost total support to and it happens no matter how I look at it, so she gets her supplements mixed with something else. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | I feed whole oats....no molasses no corn no soy nadda..just good old fashioned whole oats....m |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | 2 lbs and 1/2 cup of Flax seed. *gasp* ;) 
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Location: West Texas | FLITASTIC - 2017-03-30 9:31 AM
I have a mare who will absolutely tie up on oats!!! Does NOT matter if its 1 pound or 20, if she gets oats, she will tie up every time I ride her. She is on curost total support to and it happens no matter how I look at it, so she gets her supplements mixed with something else.
This is not near as widespread of an issue as many think. Some horses with metabolic disease can handle oats and some cannot. The vast majority of horses do not have metabolic issues and actually do very well on oats. It is definitely a plus for any performance horse, unless there is an underlying problem that oats cannot be handled. In these horses, they basically are not functioning properly, metabolically, and indeed have a undesired condition. Feeding plans for these horses vary, as the condition varies from horse to horse. Many can be managed on a specific diet, like yours is.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Herbie - 2017-03-30 9:18 AM Me. I feed one pound per day simply as a medium in which to mix my Cur-OST. They should not be fed more than 2 pounds per feeding. I rely on my forage for the biggest part of my program, then Cur-OST, then oats. Oats are energy dense, meaning a little goes a long way from a calorie perspective. I don't mean that in the way of fats, but in the sense of energy. That's why some say their hores get hot on oats.....they are very energy dense.
Me too! 2 lbs morning/night. Mine are on Cur-Ost which they get with their alfalfa mash at noon. Horses typically can not digest over 2 lbs of feed at a time. |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | Me. My gelding gets 1lb morning and night cause he is an easy keeper and I have 2 yearlings at my place they get 2lbs morning and night. I also give flax seed with the evening meal. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Sandok - 2017-03-30 11:20 AM Just curious....how many are feeding just oats to their senior horses (those that are over 25)?
Me - along with cubes in the winter only. They have a round bale 24/7 in the winter and good pasture. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Ours get whole oats mixed in with their beet pulp and alfalfa pellets. Not very much, 2 standard measuring cups. They don't get anything else (Well besides Horse Guard multivitamin and hay). . My mare doesn't get the added oats though. It took me forever to get rid of her ulcers and now that they are under control I won't change her feed program at all. Including supplements. Even if it's something that should not cause ulcers or digestive upset I won't risk it because she's so picky and sensitive. |
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| Tdove - 2017-03-30 7:41 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-03-30 9:31 AM
I have a mare who will absolutely tie up on oats!!! Does NOT matter if its 1 pound or 20, if she gets oats, she will tie up every time I ride her. She is on curost total support to and it happens no matter how I look at it, so she gets her supplements mixed with something else.
This is not near as widespread of an issue as many think. Some horses with metabolic disease can handle oats and some cannot. The vast majority of horses do not have metabolic issues and actually do very well on oats. It is definitely a plus for any performance horse, unless there is an underlying problem that oats cannot be handled. In these horses, they basically are not functioning properly, metabolically, and indeed have a undesired condition. Feeding plans for these horses vary, as the condition varies from horse to horse. Many can be managed on a specific diet, like yours is.
I agree! We have no idea why she is so sensitive. My vet thinks its more allergy related than metabolic. Because if she has ANYTHING other than oats she does JUST FINE. ZEROOOOOOOO problems. Its the same as in some people. Avocados are great and healthy for MOST. But if someone has a severe allergic reaction to avocados, regardless of their nutritional value, its a no go for that person. She just can't have oats. No special diets, just No oats. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Sandok - 2017-03-30 10:20 AM Just curious....how many are feeding just oats to their senior horses (those that are over 25)? Me! Oats and Flax Just turned 25 and in his winter clothes. He's competed up until last year, this year he will tote my son around 
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Whole oats...mare with kidney stones also gets Renew Gold, needed something with a few more calories and that wasn't processed at a mill with medicated cattle feeds. Winner winner chicken dinner.... I feed enough to mix their respective herb mixes into the feed. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Is it necessary to feed fat/oil with oats when they are getting good alfalfa, grass hay, & pasture? I'm going to switch mine. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | FLITASTIC - 2017-03-30 7:31 AM
I have a mare who will absolutely tie up on oats!!! Does NOT matter if its 1 pound or 20, if she gets oats, she will tie up every time I ride her. She is on curost total support to and it happens no matter how I look at it, so she gets her supplements mixed with something else.
Is she PSSM1? Starches and sugars are very bad for PSSM1 horses.
To the OP: I feed COB (corn, oats and barley). Unfortified. Then I feed a vitimin/mineral supplement. They get good grass hay and 3-5# of alfalfa a day and pasture 24/7/365. I try to keep my feeding program simple and it's working so far (the last several decades). If I have a horse that needs weight and they are getting 2# of COB a day already, I add beet pulp. Where you can get in trouble with feeding grains (on a non PSSM1 horse) is feeding too large a meals. Studies have shown more than #2 per meal of grains causes ulcers. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-30 10:46 AM
Is it necessary to feed fat/oil with oats when they are getting good alfalfa, grass hay, & pasture? I'm going to switch mine.
IMO no. But you should offer a free choice balanced mineral. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-30 1:46 PM Is it necessary to feed fat/oil with oats when they are getting good alfalfa, grass hay, & pasture? I'm going to switch mine.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-30 12:46 PM Is it necessary to feed fat/oil with oats when they are getting good alfalfa, grass hay, & pasture? I'm going to switch mine.
No, but feeding fat with oats lowers the glycemic response. |
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| My mare is HYPP N/H and ulcer prone. Thanks to the HYPP, she has to have a very regulated low-potassium diet (less than 33g potassium per meal). Turns out, most processed feeds have massive levels of potassium, so those are out. As well as all of the molasses and corn that aggravate her ulcers.
About two months ago, I switched her to 2lbs of whole oats, 1lb alfalfa pellets, about 1lb of a high fat/low potassium senior feed just to get a little bloom on her before the grass started growing again, THE Muscle Mass, free choice hay, and 24/7 pasture.
SHE IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT HORSE! She's calmer and easier to catch, much softer when riding, shiny, and putting on topline like a dream. It has been years since she looked so good. I will never go back. |
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Location: North Dakota | snoopy - 2017-03-30 9:05 AM I read an article yesterday from a vet not affiliated with any company where he analyzed horses and there digestive systems over a period of time, well he found out that corn, molasses, etc., is NOT good for horses, in fact in can cause ulcers. He stated oats is all a horse needs. Anyone feed only oats? If so, how many pounds a day?
Yeah, horses aren't so different from people in some ways. Highly processed foods filled with starches and sugars aren't good for us and aren't good for them either. Many of the processed feeds out there are very bad for horses in the long run. My horse lives on good pasture and does not need any other feed, but when I had multiple horses living on dry lots, I fed oats and other grains.
Whole oats, fed in moderation, are one of the best grains out there. Corn is very hard for horses to digest and causes inflammation. They are not designed to be eating it. All of the fillers like wheat middlings and other weird things in lots of commercial feeds may not be "harmful" but you're just paying for fillers. They're not benefitting your horse in any way. Barley is very "meh". It is not terrible but not digested nearly as well as oats. Oats also don't make horses hot, as many people think. **Some horses are an exception to this though, simply because they are all individuals and react differently to different feeds.**
There's a wide range as far as how much to feed per day. Depending on your horse's workload, size, access to turnout, and whether they're a "hard keeper", "air fern", etc. will determine how much you need to feed. Generally the rule is never feed more than 4lbs per feeding. I've never heard of anyone feeding more than 8lbs of oats per day (split into 2 or 3 feedings).
Always the most important thing is quality forage, but if you're looking for something else to supplement your oats with, you can add a little rice bran or Renew Gold, which has rice bran, coconut, and flax in it; soaked beet pulp, alfalfa, or flax.
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Location: Bandera, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2017-03-30 1:04 PM TheDutchMan01 - 2017-03-30 12:46 PM Is it necessary to feed fat/oil with oats when they are getting good alfalfa, grass hay, & pasture? I'm going to switch mine. No, but feeding fat with oats lowers the glycemic response.
That's why I can get away with feeding my young breaking horses oats and their easily managed. Love it! Renew Gold and Whole Heavy Northern Oats are my grain and like the others said no more than two lbs at a time. I will feed the horses a little bit after I ride them as well. I always put a bit of alfalfa down while I'm mixing the ration. I have to use electrolytes due to how hard I ride them and will feed a bit of flax if they lose luster.
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| The best thing about oats is that when you get them wet and after dropping them on the ground, they sprout and grow into a living thing.
Horses eat grass. Oats are grass seed. Seems like a no brainer that they're going to be a superior energy source. :) |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 8:33 AM The best thing about oats is that when you get them wet and after dropping them on the ground, they sprout and grow into a living thing. Horses eat grass. Oats are grass seed. Seems like a no brainer that they're going to be a superior energy source. :)
Technically corn is a grass/grass seed too. Just way more genetically modified from the original. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-03-31 3:35 PM
classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 8:33 AM The best thing about oats is that when you get them wet and after dropping them on the ground, they sprout and grow into a living thing. Horses eat grass. Oats are grass seed. Seems like a no brainer that they're going to be a superior energy source. :)
Technically corn is a grass/grass seed too. Just way more genetically modified from the original.
Sure. Didn't say it wasn't.
I don't like corn because of all the research against feeding it. Oats seem to be a healthier choice. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 4:42 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-03-31 3:35 PM classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 8:33 AM The best thing about oats is that when you get them wet and after dropping them on the ground, they sprout and grow into a living thing. Horses eat grass. Oats are grass seed. Seems like a no brainer that they're going to be a superior energy source. :) Technically corn is a grass/grass seed too. Just way more genetically modified from the original. Sure. Didn't say it wasn't. I don't like corn because of all the research against feeding it. Oats seem to be a healthier choice.
To be fair, you didn't say what oats were superior to, I made an assumption. BUT, you would be surprised how many people don't know corn is a grass. All the myths about corn isn't natural for livestock and shouldn't be fed because they can't digest it, blah blah blah. I prefer oats myself because there is more fiber per unit of starch. My horses are eating Omnis cubes with rice bran (rice is also grass LOL) in place of grain, and look and feel awesome. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-04-01 1:17 PM
classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 4:42 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-03-31 3:35 PM classicpotatochip - 2017-03-31 8:33 AM The best thing about oats is that when you get them wet and after dropping them on the ground, they sprout and grow into a living thing. Horses eat grass. Oats are grass seed. Seems like a no brainer that they're going to be a superior energy source. :) Technically corn is a grass/grass seed too. Just way more genetically modified from the original. Sure. Didn't say it wasn't. I don't like corn because of all the research against feeding it. Oats seem to be a healthier choice.
Yep, gotcha.
Mine are on alfalfa, stabilized rice bran, and Equipride. They're feeling and looking pretty great!
I used to feed a ton of grain, and had so many problems with their digestion.
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I read an article yesterday from a vet not affiliated with any company where he analyzed horses and there digestive systems over a period of time, well he found out that corn, molasses, etc., is NOT good for horses, in fact in can cause ulcers. He stated oats is all a horse needs. Anyone feed only oats? If so, how many pounds a day?
Don't cheat your horses with only oats ..
The benchmark feed mills use to compare with is .. whole oats and alfalfa ..
in order to get a 14% protein feeding program.
Whole oats = 12%
Alfalfa = 16% (as the typical value)
So.. if you take the suggestion of 6 lbs of WHOLE oats morning and evening
= 12 lbs
And ...you need to feed 10 lbs of baled alfalfa as your feeding program.
Along with good quality hay .. to keep something in their tummies.
There is something magic about a horse chewing and slobbering a
lot of spit and good fiber to keep their digestive system rolling.
MATH 14% protein
12 x 12 = 144
10 x 16 = 160
total ----- 304
divided by 22 lbs = 13.8% protein
I always like for this number to come out less than 14% just in case
I get some hotter alfalfa that would up the percentage
If you want more shine or to turn a palomino a shade darker or make
a buckskin a little bit smutty or dapple out ... add a cup of rolled or
chopped corn in the fall of the year so they shed out darker in
the spring.... you must continue with the corn to keep the color
and lessen sun bleaching.
If you want one to shine in the dark .. do the corn and also add a cup
full (8oz) of whole flax seed.
I am also a fan of MoorMan loose GroStrong minerals and I throw a
handful in their feed every other day. (plus a standard $5 mineral
block in the pasture for its salt content for horse to decide how
much licking it wants to do)
You will like what you see with this simple all natural feeding program ..
with NO OTHER SUPPLEMENTS!!
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Location: Southern Indiana | Another question for those of you with horses with respiratory issues...did you notice your horses coughing while eating the oats? Mine seems to do it when they are dry and I mean cough way worse than normal. These are triple cleaned made triple crown. They don't seem dusty. If I wet them he seems to be fine? Before I fed pelleted feed with no issues. |
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-04-01 9:24 PM snoopy - 2017-03-30 9:05 AM I read an article yesterday from a vet not affiliated with any company where he analyzed horses and there digestive systems over a period of time, well he found out that corn, molasses, etc., is NOT good for horses, in fact in can cause ulcers. He stated oats is all a horse needs. Anyone feed only oats? If so, how many pounds a day? Don't cheat your horses with only oats .. The benchmark feed mills use to compare with is .. whole oats and alfalfa .. in order to get a 14% protein feeding program. Whole oats = 12% Alfalfa = 16% (as the typical value ) So.. if you take the suggestion of 6 lbs of WHOLE oats morning and evening = 12 lbs And ...you need to feed 10 lbs of baled alfalfa as your feeding program. Along with good quality hay .. to keep something in their tummies. There is something magic about a horse chewing and slobbering a lot of spit and good fiber to keep their digestive system rolling. MATH 14% protein 12 x 12 = 144 10 x 16 = 160 total ----- 304 divided by 22 lbs = 13.8% protein I always like for this number to come out less than 14% just in case I get some hotter alfalfa that would up the percentage If you want more shine or to turn a palomino a shade darker or make a buckskin a little bit smutty or dapple out ... add a cup of rolled or chopped corn in the fall of the year so they shed out darker in the spring.... you must continue with the corn to keep the color and lessen sun bleaching. If you want one to shine in the dark .. do the corn and also add a cup full (8oz ) of whole flax seed. I am also a fan of MoorMan loose GroStrong minerals and I throw a handful in their feed every other day. (plus a standard $5 mineral block in the pasture for its salt content for horse to decide how much licking it wants to do ) You will like what you see with this simple all natural feeding program .. with NO OTHER SUPPLEMENTS!!
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2017-04-01 9:24 PM snoopy - 2017-03-30 9:05 AM I read an article yesterday from a vet not affiliated with any company where he analyzed horses and there digestive systems over a period of time, well he found out that corn, molasses, etc., is NOT good for horses, in fact in can cause ulcers. He stated oats is all a horse needs. Anyone feed only oats? If so, how many pounds a day? Don't cheat your horses with only oats .. The benchmark feed mills use to compare with is .. whole oats and alfalfa .. in order to get a 14% protein feeding program. Whole oats = 12% Alfalfa = 16% (as the typical value ) So.. if you take the suggestion of 6 lbs of WHOLE oats morning and evening = 12 lbs And ...you need to feed 10 lbs of baled alfalfa as your feeding program. Along with good quality hay .. to keep something in their tummies. There is something magic about a horse chewing and slobbering a lot of spit and good fiber to keep their digestive system rolling. MATH 14% protein 12 x 12 = 144 10 x 16 = 160 total ----- 304 divided by 22 lbs = 13.8% protein I always like for this number to come out less than 14% just in case I get some hotter alfalfa that would up the percentage If you want more shine or to turn a palomino a shade darker or make a buckskin a little bit smutty or dapple out ... add a cup of rolled or chopped corn in the fall of the year so they shed out darker in the spring.... you must continue with the corn to keep the color and lessen sun bleaching. If you want one to shine in the dark .. do the corn and also add a cup full (8oz ) of whole flax seed. I am also a fan of MoorMan loose GroStrong minerals and I throw a handful in their feed every other day. (plus a standard $5 mineral block in the pasture for its salt content for horse to decide how much licking it wants to do ) You will like what you see with this simple all natural feeding program .. with NO OTHER SUPPLEMENTS!!
Purina uses its comparison to 7 pounds of oats per day. Not particularly a recommendation but used to compare to another feed. I am sure as with other feeds, oats are fed by body weight |
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I feed about a pound of whole oats mixed with alfalfa pellets, McCaughley Bros Rice Bran Oil and Forco once a day. If they start falling off or are working I increase the amount of oats, but not by to much.
They are also fed grass hay twice a day and a small amount of alfalfa.
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