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Location: USA | She gets breezed, nutrition is good. Any tips or tricks to add speed in between barrels? She's ratey and is ridden as aggressive as I can get. Used a quirt and it doesn't do anything. |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-03 5:18 PM
She gets breezed, nutrition is good. Any tips or tricks to add speed in between barrels? She's ratey and is ridden as aggressive as I can get. Used a quirt and it doesn't do anything.
1. Performance vet for lameness. 2. Xrays for shoer to shoe per xrays 3. Equine dentist 5. Plenty of alfalfa, try oats? 6. Saddle fit. 7. Too much bridle.
8. Maybe she doesn't like to run barrels? 9. Maybe she doesn't like running barrels for you?
*Disclaimer: Been there. Bought the tshirt. Did all of the above. She still didn't run. Sent her to a consigner. 30 days later, horse sells. Highschool girl starts winning highschool rodeos and placing well at big races. Thank goodness I didn't mess her up! But...she and I just couldn't click, so she quit working for me. Smart little hussy. |
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Location: Central Texas | I was in the same issue. Your next run, try running her on bute. Night before, morning before, and the night after. My mare knocked a SECOND off her time. Brought her in, hocks needed injections. Worth the $2 worth of bute in trial and error. |
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Location: USA | WinningPaints - 2017-04-03 8:01 PM
I was in the same issue. Your next run, try running her on bute. Night before, morning before, and the night after. My mare knocked a SECOND off her time. Brought her in, hocks needed injections. Worth the $2 worth of bute in trial and error.
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Location: Texas | Two things come to mind:
1. A horse that is run a lot a home will hit one speed (slow) because he knows he's going to have to do it again.
2. Some horses don't have the ability to speed up in a short distance.
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Location: Loco,Ok | If video run and watch what you do. Most horses the cow lock on to barrel. Rate to much. Then rider starts trying to help.horse run. You pump your body. Move arms to much. That's go and whoa at same time. Have to break the lock on barrel and then be still and let the horse work. On one that locks on cows the barrel. Whipping and kicking make it worse. They kind jump up and quit running hard all the way. If look at videos watch what you do. Horses feed off of us.
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Location: USA | Fun2Run - 2017-04-04 11:57 PM Two things come to mind:
1. A horse that is run a lot a home will hit one speed (slow) because he knows he's going to have to do it again.
2. Some horses don't have the ability to speed up in a short distance.
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Location: USA | clampitt - 2017-04-05 7:46 AM
If video run and watch what you do. Most horses the cow lock on to barrel. Rate to much. Then rider starts trying to help.horse run. You pump your body. Move arms to much. That's go and whoa at same time. Have to break the lock on barrel and then be still and let the horse work. On one that locks on cows the barrel. Whipping and kicking make it worse. They kind jump up and quit running hard all the way. If look at videos watch what you do. Horses feed off of us.
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Location: North Dakota | I have discovered one of the biggest reasons a horse doesnt run between first and second is an ill positioned first barrel. We either do not position them to fire out like a rocket or as riders we are busy pulling on them and impeding their forward motion. I'm talking a sound horse. I have found that, even with a lazier type of horse, correctly positioned will automatically rocket them off first barrel. I cannot stress enough the importance of balance and correct body position on a horse coming off first barrel. For instance, team ropers back their heading horse into the box and position them in such a way that allows them to leave the box and catch a steer in a relatively short distance. They do have the advantage of backing in a corner but think about what that does to a horse. He is coiled and ready to fire. Same thing with a barrel horse. We must enter and turn the barrel in such a manner that it allows the horse to use his god given ability. Most of the time a good horse that just isnt firing is because we havent allowed him too.
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Location: Texas | Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 11:12 AM Fun2Run - 2017-04-04 11:57 PM Two things come to mind:
1. A horse that is run a lot a home will hit one speed (slow) because he knows he's going to have to do it again.
2. Some horses don't have the ability to speed up in a short distance.
When you say run, do you mean on the pattern? Or just breezed?
On barrels. As a side note, I don't breeze. I think a horse that can run, will. |
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| First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running.
My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. |
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Location: USA | Fun2Run - 2017-04-05 1:15 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 11:12 AM Fun2Run - 2017-04-04 11:57 PM Two things come to mind:
1. A horse that is run a lot a home will hit one speed (slow) because he knows he's going to have to do it again.
2. Some horses don't have the ability to speed up in a short distance.
When you say run, do you mean on the pattern? Or just breezed?
I don't ever run her at home on the pattern. She's breezed to build up lung stamina, not to see if she can run or teach her to. |
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Location: USA | streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM
First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running.
My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen.
Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? |
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streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM
First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running.
My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen.
Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope?
oh wow, I couldn't do that to my boys... my arena is deep sand, I mean deep beach like sand, loping and long trotting on this kind of footing give them an awesome workout ( I don't do barrels in my arena, too deep).
I do have the same problem as the OP. My first to my second kills me and I have nothing or nobody to blame but myself. I just pray I get it together one of these days and that my horse keeps being so forgiving until I do!  |
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Location: chasing kids and animals | I started Long trotting 6 min in each direction and loping 4 in each...I did this for about 2 wks and now I am pumping my time up but she stretched out between her barrels and knocked .5 sec off her time. I do not practice at home alot but do alot of riding and working. She is getting back in shape and feeling amazing... |
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| clampitt - 2017-04-05 6:46 AM If video run and watch what you do. Most horses the cow lock on to barrel. Rate to much. Then rider starts trying to help.horse run. You pump your body. Move arms to much. That's go and whoa at same time. Have to break the lock on barrel and then be still and let the horse work. On one that locks on cows the barrel. Whipping and kicking make it worse. They kind jump up and quit running hard all the way. If look at videos watch what you do. Horses feed off of us.
This is my mare to a T.
Do you have any suggestions for breaking the lock on the barrel? She is all cow bred and gets terribly cowy at the barrel and then it's impossible to pull her off.
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| 2H~QH - 2017-04-06 10:21 AM
clampitt - 2017-04-05 6:46 AM If video run and watch what you do. Most horses the cow lock on to barrel. Rate to much. Then rider starts trying to help.horse run. You pump your body. Move arms to much. That's go and whoa at same time. Have to break the lock on barrel and then be still and let the horse work. On one that locks on cows the barrel. Whipping and kicking make it worse. They kind jump up and quit running hard all the way. If look at videos watch what you do. Horses feed off of us.
This is my mare to a T.
Do you have any suggestions for breaking the lock on the barrel? She is all cow bred and gets terribly cowy at the barrel and then it's impossible to pull her off.
Also following for suggestions as my gelding cows up as well.
I do a lot of work over exaggerating getting past them - using anticipation to my advantage when we do run. Chris Martin helped get me set up on that drill.
In his clinic he also suggested a good wack or over under right before the barrel to get one to keep scooting forward. I had kind of forgotten about that one until last week when I was trying to clean up a few things before a rodeo. It did work! Broke his focus on the can and reminded him he has to wait for me. We had a beautiful run at the rodeo. I won't have the opportunity to do any pattern work at home before we run Saturday, so we'll see how well the lesson stuck.
So that's what I got. All I've been able to do lately with all the rain is ride the roads, so we darn sure oughta be getting aired up. He looks freaking fantastic anyway. |
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| OhMax - 2017-04-06 11:02 AM 2H~QH - 2017-04-06 10:21 AM clampitt - 2017-04-05 6:46 AM If video run and watch what you do. Most horses the cow lock on to barrel. Rate to much. Then rider starts trying to help.horse run. You pump your body. Move arms to much. That's go and whoa at same time. Have to break the lock on barrel and then be still and let the horse work. On one that locks on cows the barrel. Whipping and kicking make it worse. They kind jump up and quit running hard all the way. If look at videos watch what you do. Horses feed off of us. This is my mare to a T.
Do you have any suggestions for breaking the lock on the barrel? She is all cow bred and gets terribly cowy at the barrel and then it's impossible to pull her off.
Also following for suggestions as my gelding cows up as well. I do a lot of work over exaggerating getting past them - using anticipation to my advantage when we do run. Chris Martin helped get me set up on that drill. In his clinic he also suggested a good wack or over under right before the barrel to get one to keep scooting forward. I had kind of forgotten about that one until last week when I was trying to clean up a few things before a rodeo. It did work! Broke his focus on the can and reminded him he has to wait for me. We had a beautiful run at the rodeo. I won't have the opportunity to do any pattern work at home before we run Saturday, so we'll see how well the lesson stuck. So that's what I got. All I've been able to do lately with all the rain is ride the roads, so we darn sure oughta be getting aired up. He looks freaking fantastic anyway.
Nice to hear I'm not the only one struggling with this.
I've tried a spank as we get to the barrel but I find she just shuts down even more.
One thing I've heard but have yet to try is counter arc them off the barrel when the hip gets even with the barrel.
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First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running.
My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen.
Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope?
No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
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Location: Loco,Ok | Counter arch if look at it. Stops forward motion. You have to keep a horses feet moving forward while maintaining control. I learned this from cutter and calf horses.
They have to run all the way. What horse starts is a bit of a lean.in..Lead with shoulder to the barrel. I teach all to stay.balanced under me. Balance the withers.
It's hard to explain. I teach it from.beginning. Take the barrel out of horses way. Take the Pressure of the turn itself away.. Both rider and horse. Relax and settle at turn. Use feet more than your hands. Support your feet with your hands. |
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| clampitt - 2017-04-06 11:47 AM Counter arch if look at it. Stops forward motion. You have to keep a horses feet moving forward while maintaining control. I learned this from cutter and calf horses. They have to run all the way. What horse starts is a bit of a lean.in..Lead with shoulder to the barrel. I teach all to stay.balanced under me. Balance the withers. It's hard to explain. I teach it from.beginning. Take the barrel out of horses way. Take the Pressure of the turn itself away.. Both rider and horse. Relax and settle at turn. Use feet more than your hands. Support your feet with your hands.
Thank you for the response - I will try counter arching.
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
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Location: USA | streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
I guess different terms mean different things depending on where you live. I'd never classify the western pleasure lope as an actual lope. Sure, it's a 3 beat gait, but those horses look pathetic and like they have no forward motion.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
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| Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM
streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out.
Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn
Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them.
Perhaps this is what you consider a lope?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
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Location: USA | streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
Both videos are the exact same.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
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streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend.
Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them. |
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One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between . |
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Location: USA | WinningPaints - 2017-04-07 8:53 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 7:56 PM streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend. Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them.
Thank you!! I'd never breeze my horses for an hour. That's torture.
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That's where I was going when I asked if the horses were thoroughbreds in the video. You can't compare the two in regards to long distance running.
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Location: USA | roxieannie - 2017-04-07 9:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between .
I've tried that too =) I had clothesline rope as my curb strap for a while to free her up. It worked but do you think it affects the "lift" on a lifter bit? |
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Location: Arizona | Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-08 9:31 PM
WinningPaints - 2017-04-07 8:53 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 7:56 PM streakysox - 2017-04-07 9:34 AM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-06 5:09 PM streakysox - 2017-04-06 12:35 PM Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-05 1:54 PM streakysox - 2017-04-05 1:49 PM First of all a horse needs to feel like running. (they need to aired up) Breezing them will not air them up. Riding them at a gallop for about 45 minutes to an hour will certainly air them up. Start out at shorter periods and work your way up. I never practice at home but I do ride for at least an hour. If I am not loping, I work on basics. My big fat rolly polly horse doesn't want to run because he is not aired up and it just takes too much effort. Get your horse in shape and I bet he feels more like running. My trainer lopes my horse around for about an hour and she is running in the top 10 horses in the 1D with 500+ entries. That mare comes out and she is hardly out of breath. (if she wasn't in shape she would be in the 3D) Trainer made me promise that I would get my horse in shape for a big barrel race coming up. Gonna try to make that one happen. Gallop a horse for an hour? That seems extensive. Or do you mean lope? No, I do not mean lope. To me lope is a western pleasure gate. Here is a video of horses galloping at Santa Anita. I quit watching where it says DAVID WRAPPING LEGS. Watch the horses on the inside rail. They are galloping. There is one horse that is actually breezing but the rest are galloping. (It would be the fast one ). I looked at several videos and this was the best to illustrate galloping. If the sand in your arena is too deep go gallop somewhere else. You cannot get the horse to stride out if you keep them in shape loping around.
these horses galloping at santa Anita, are they thoroughbreds?
To me, a breeze is a gallop. She sprints and is able to stride out. Those are thoroughbreds. Here is a video of Quarters breezing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKgn Considerably faster than a gallop. On occasion we take our horses to the track and actually breeze them. Perhaps this is what you consider a lope? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1QdpwVUjKg This is not going to teach the horse to extend. By the way, this is my trainer on another one of my horses. This horse was NOT at the level the horse my trainer is riding now for the record.
So you're saying a breeze is faster than a gallop? I thought the terms were interchangeable. I thought the definition of a gallop was a horses fastest gait??
I never said anywhere in my posts that a lope would teach my horse to extend. Breezing is galloping. Not sure what she's talking about. Theres a reason a quarter horse is named a quarter horse, they only run a quarter a mile. Running your horse for 45 minutes is a good way to kill them.
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That's where I was going when I asked if the horses were thoroughbreds in the video. You can't compare the two in regards to long distance running.
Just to clarify, breezing and galloping your horses are the same only in the sense that they are the same 4-beat gait. But just as you can walk, trot and lope at varying speeds you can also gallop at different speeds; and that is the difference between breezing and galloping. Galloping is your slower paced, stamina and mile building work. Breezing is your short distance high-speed work. Same 4-beat gait, way different speeds. And even quarter horses can quickly build up to 3-4 mile daily gallops, some even farther if they are a lankier more TB-type build. Long, slow gallops are what build stamina and air, not breezing sprints. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Dreamingofcans - 2017-04-07 10:33 PM roxieannie - 2017-04-07 9:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between . I've tried that too = ) I had clothesline rope as my curb strap for a while to free her up. It worked but do you think it affects the "lift" on a lifter bit?
My horse I can work him with a super mild chin strap. With added speed it feels like he can choose to blow me off. When he gets like that I will work him in a chain chin strap then a milder chin strap at a JP. You have to play around to find the right combo for y'all
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| Where do you look when you run? If you are looking at the barrel or the pocket, your horse will shut down pretty quick. Try looking past your pocket, like at the panel/wall. If your eyes are up and looking past it, your body will naturally position itself to cue your horse to keep moving forward. |
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| roxieannie - 2017-04-07 8:39 PM
One more question - I went away from rating her (almost at all) before the barrel because she would shut down so bad. But when I add speed, she is blowing by the barrel and coming really wide (because she is not collecting). Do you have any advice about where and how to rate this type of horse?
Just a thought.
If you are using a chain curb, and you think that is causing part of the over rating? Wrap the curb with vet wrap, try a different style curb, ex, flat double chain, or leather, to any thing in between .
Thanks for the idea - I will see if loosening it up makes a difference ! |
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