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I ALWAYS take an extra vacation day when I fly because the airlines are SO unreliable, so I would have JUMPED on that $800 offer but honestly, people book flights and EXPECT to show up when they are scheduled to.
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Overbooking should not be allowed. Since as you say they make sure you don't get a refund if you don't show...heck they'd save fuel with less bodies on board.
What makes this even worse to me is that they needed the seats to transport 4 of their crew to another city. Ridiculous. The bad press alone for this mess will cost them far more than if they just kept upping the amount until someone took the offer. Or...find their crew a seat on another airline maybe? |
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Location: Florida | I know I would have stood up and given him my seat. No deadline or destination is worth watching that doctor go through that to get back to his patients, or anyone for that matter.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to.
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Location: Gainesville, TX | IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-11 8:12 AM
The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to.
It evidently wasn't just security but the Chicago PD? Also, it's not a completely random lottery. I think it was a NYT article where I read they have policies about not breaking up families or leaving minors unattended (or pulling minors off at all for the most part) . . . except for refusing a flight to the two young girls wearing leggings anyway. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The entire episode would have never happened if the gate agent were given the leeway to offer vouchers for volunteers like bidding at an auction. They need to set the upper limit higher so the agent could open up bidding at say, $500 and increasing by $100, until they got enough volunteers. I guarantee you once they got up over $1000 they would have found enough people to give up 4 seats.
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| Vickie - 2017-04-11 7:55 AM
I know I would have stood up and given him my seat. No deadline or destination is worth watching that doctor go through that to get back to his patients, or anyone for that matter.
I will never fly that airline again. That is what we should all do, boycott.
I agree, Vicki. It was bad looking and if I ever fly, it sure won't be with United.
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Dragged?
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | oija - 2017-04-11 9:30 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-04-11 8:12 AM The flight was not overbooked. The flight was full. There was a standby crew of 4 that needed to be on the same plane for some reason. United offered 4 people $400 and a night stay at a hotel with a flight leaving the next day at 3pm so the crew could board the plane. No one took it. They upped it to $800 and a stay at a hotel with a flight leaving at 3 pm. No one moved. They did a lottery type system in their computer and randomly drew 4 passengers. 3 of the passengers chosen got up and took the offer after the lottery was drawn. When the doctor didn't give up his seat, security was called to remove the man.
The doctor supposedly had patients he needed to get back to. It evidently wasn't just security but the Chicago PD? Also, it's not a completely random lottery. I think it was a NYT article where I read they have policies about not breaking up families or leaving minors unattended (or pulling minors off at all for the most part ) . . . except for refusing a flight to the two young girls wearing leggings anyway.
CPD has said they were not involved.
The system for removing folks from a flight is typically based on price paid for ticket. You can bet the cheapest ticket on that flight was picked.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | He looked Asian. 5 will get you 10 that someone will cry "racism" and that his civil rights were violated.
The airlines must realize that the odds are stacked against them if this ever goes before a jury. That video of him squealing like a hog being drug to slaughter, with the fat lip, etc.... will be a huge windfall.
He just hit the lottery. He will be able to buy a nice villa in the Caribbean when this is over. |
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Yes ma'am. Dragged and unconscious and bleeding, though not bad from the video I saw.
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor:
The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history.
Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet.
Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation.
Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex.
In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week.
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Location: north dakota | I don't feel airlines should be allowed to overbook or remove passengers with paid seating to accomidate flight crew but I also thought the Dr's behavior was really bizarre, especially the part where he started squealing when they went to remove him from his seat.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 12:59 PM This is why I do not fly. Unfortunately many people have to fly because of their line of work and I have sympathy for them. I hope this man takes United to the bank. The way these airlines treat people is truly awful. Overlooking should be illegal but I know the flight was not overbooked in this case. I read that the man had a concussion after being ripped from his seat. If someone chooses to give their seat up for crew that is a courtesy but they should not have to.
why should overbooking be illegal?
You have no constitutional right to air travel.
United was very stoopid in how they handled this, but over booking was not the main issue. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay.
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| NJJ - 2017-04-11 12:43 PM Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay. Agreed......and WHY didn't they know that they needed those four seats BEFORE they ever loaded ANY passengers?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The issue and point was they United Airlines was in the wrong on the way they handled this, they overbooked their fault not the paying passingers, they should have just put their people on another flight.. Shame on them  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | RockinGR - 2017-04-11 11:51 AM Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor: The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history. Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet. Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex. In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week. Still not justifiable, but it does make you go "hmmmmm...."
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 1:40 PM Because people should get what they paid for and if the airline is over booking they know someone is going to get shortchanged on their travel. The intent is to make sure they book every seat on their flight but it is at the expense for some random customer who has no idea they are going to be booted off the flight. Something like that could have serious consequences for some people. Maybe they are trying to see a dying relative or traveling for an important time senistive medical procedure or job interview.
every ticket that is purchased on any airline has verbage stating that you are not guaranteed seat. I can't remeber the exacty wordage but it's there.
Overbooking flights is based on years of experience and metrics. It happens all the time and on every airline. The issue here was not the over book it was the way in which it was handled
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2017-04-11 2:18 PM I don't think they should be able to selling a service they are not sure they can provide. I do not agree with their verbage. And United lost a billion dollars today. Very costly mistake on their part.
capitalism is hard.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SloRide - 2017-04-11 1:18 PM
I don't think they should be able to selling a service they are not sure they can provide. I do not agree with their verbage. And United lost a billion dollars today. Very costly mistake on their part.
That's nice. Do you think selling a service they "aren't sure they can provide" is unique to the airline industry? |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | Nevertooold - 2017-04-11 12:51 PM
RockinGR - 2017-04-11 11:51 AM Don't know the reliability of the source, but I did see this posted about the doctor: The passenger who was savagely removed from United flight 3411 is a medical doctor with a sordid history. Dr. David Dao was charged in 2005 with 98 felony drug counts for illegally prescribing and trafficking painkillers. Prosecutors claimed Dao fraudulently filled prescriptions for hydocodone, Oxycontin and Percocet. Dr. Dao was also convicted on 6 felony counts of obtaining drugs by fraud and deceit and in 2005 was given 5 years probation. Dao was also convicted for writing prescriptions and checks to a patient in exchange for sex. In February, 2005, Dr. Dao surrendered his license to practice medicine in Kentucky. In 2015 the medical board lifted the suspension and allowed him to practice medicine with some restrictions. Last year, the medical board imposed even more restrictions -- now he can only practice internal medicine in an outpatient facility one day a week. Still not justifiable, but it does make you go "hmmmmm...."
And now he's going to be a millionaire.
EXACTLY!
I agree 110% that UA handled the situation terribly...and they will end up paying for it. My sharing of his alleged past merely raised more flags on his already strange behavior--and claims that he had patients that he had to get back to. Just seems a little off. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | OK everyone agrees on this, basically, but people don't always think of things from the airlines point of view either. You can say what you want about overbooking, but what happens if you have even a non-refundable ticket and you decide to cancel the day before, for whatever reason? Most of the time, even with a cheap, non-refundable ticket, you can get credit and apply it to a future flight, maybe for a small re-booking fee. Those last minute cancellations might not be replaced, and the airlines take a hit in those cases.
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| Bear - 2017-04-11 12:12 PM
His sordid past is completely irrelevant. The whole incident was handled terribly. It could have happened to anyone. That's the point. So the guy is a douche bag. Fine, I get it. It was stupid on United's part. They should just auction off those 4 spots. Stopping at $800 or $1000 wasn't enough. If they would have offered $1500 they would have gotten 4 volunteers, I guarantee it. They would have lost $2000. That's the price they pay.
AMEN 100% - his past has absolutely NOTHING to do with how he was treated - NOTHING. |
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Location: Kansas | Putting myself in that passenger's place, I believe I would have stood up and handled it much better from the get-go. He had to have reacted childishly in order for this scene to reach such a chaotic level. Not defending Security but come on........live to fight another day.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Frodo - 2017-04-12 7:05 AM
Putting myself in that passenger's place, I believe I would have stood up and handled it much better from the get-go. He had to have reacted childishly in order for this scene to reach such a chaotic level. Not defending Security but come on........live to fight another day.
Heck no. This guy hit the mother lode by squealing and resisting.
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| I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement. Also, there were 3 others who had to get off that plane. Why did they not raise an issue and act like babies and fall to the ground??
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 10:35 AM I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement.
Of course he brought it on himself. However, he will now not have to work another day in his life. So, to him, what's a little cuts and bruises? |
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FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 10:35 AM I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement.
Of course he brought it on himself. However, he will now not have to work another day in his life. So, to him, what's a little cuts and bruises?
I totally agree!!!!!! He is no different than those people who intentionally cause traffic accidents so they don't have to work. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | FLITASTIC - 2017-04-11 10:35 AM
I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement. Also, there were 3 others who had to get off that plane. Why did they not raise an issue and act like babies and fall to the ground??
Agree.........
Here are the rules.........
United's contract of carriage states that passengers to be forcibly taken off a flight in the event of overbooking will be 'determined based on a passenger's fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.'
That means that if you have a certain type of fare class, checked in early, have a flier status such as gold, or even just own a barely used frequent flier card, you are less likely to be bumped.
But passengers taking advantage of budget seats appear to be of less value to the airline.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4403660/United-not-likely-a...
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Location: Windoming | FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 8:41 AM 3canstorun - 2017-04-12 7:37 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 10:35 AM I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement. Of course he brought it on himself. However, he will now not have to work another day in his life. So, to him, what's a little cuts and bruises? I totally agree!!!!!! He is no different than those people who intentionally cause traffic accidents so they don't have to work.
From a news source, International Business Times:
Less than three years before a passenger was forcibly removed from one of its aircrafts, United Airlines assured federal regulators that all ticketed passengers are guaranteed seats on flights. The promise was delivered in federal filings reviewed by International Business Times.In September 2014 comments to federal officials, the Chicago-based airline outlined its op position to proposed rules that sought more disclosure of the fees airlines charge to customers. One of the rules at issue was designed to compel airlines to more explicitly disclose fees charged for reserving specific seats.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bear - 2017-04-11 3:05 PM OK everyone agrees on this, basically, but people don't always think of things from the airlines point of view either. You can say what you want about overbooking, but what happens if you have even a non-refundable ticket and you decide to cancel the day before, for whatever reason? Most of the time, even with a cheap, non-refundable ticket, you can get credit and apply it to a future flight, maybe for a small re-booking fee. Those last minute cancellations might not be replaced, and the airlines take a hit in those cases.
I agree with this. I was able to call and cancel my flight 20 minutes before it was to take off when we got stuck on the interstate because of flooding and I couldn't get to the airport. It would have sucked to have lost over $400.00. |
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That is not going to help their bottom line.
They lost $1.4 Billion in the Dow yesterday.....that's roughly their profit for 2016.
Sure makes a few hundred more look like small potatoes to me.
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Location: Kansas | Bear - 2017-04-12 8:30 AM Frodo - 2017-04-12 7:05 AM Putting myself in that passenger's place, I believe I would have stood up and handled it much better from the get-go. He had to have reacted childishly in order for this scene to reach such a chaotic level. Not defending Security but come on........live to fight another day.
Heck no. This guy hit the mother lode by squealing and resisting.
I know I'm just saying I couldn't have stooped to that level and if he weren't trolling for a lawsuit he wouldn't have either. Human parasite.
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https://thepilotwifelife.wordpress.com/2017/04/11/i-know-youre-mad-at-united-but-thoughts-from-a-pilot-wife-about-flight-3411/
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Location: Where I am happiest | Silly Filly - 2017-04-12 9:52 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 8:41 AM 3canstorun - 2017-04-12 7:37 AM FLITASTIC - 2017-04-12 10:35 AM I have a totally different view. If the airline has this policy of a lottery to vacate seats and he was drawn at random to give his up , bad luck , get up and follow the rules. It should never have come to that. He acted like a baby having a tantrum and basically brought that on himself. Many have a severe sense of entitlement. Of course he brought it on himself. However, he will now not have to work another day in his life. So, to him, what's a little cuts and bruises? I totally agree!!!!!! He is no different than those people who intentionally cause traffic accidents so they don't have to work. From a news source, International Business Times:
Less than three years before a passenger was forcibly removed from one of its aircrafts, United Airlines assured federal regulators that all ticketed passengers are guaranteed seats on flights. The promise was delivered in federal filings reviewed by International Business Times.
In September 2014 comments to federal officials, the Chicago-based airline outlined its op position to proposed rules that sought more disclosure of the fees airlines charge to customers. One of the rules at issue was designed to compel airlines to more explicitly disclose fees charged for reserving specific seats.
“Including advance-seat-assignment charges among the ‘basic ancillary service’ fees that must be disclosed as part of initial fare displays makes no sense,” the airline wrote to the Department of Transportation. “Every ticket, of course, guarantees a passenger a seat on the plane, with no additional mandatory seat-assignment charges."
Later in the filing, United Airlines expanded on its promise to regulators that it guarantees every ticketed passenger a seat.
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BHW Resident Surgeon
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2017-04-12 1:50 PM
So I wonder if United's ticket sales have plumeted?
They lost $1.4 billion yesterday. The company is getting its ass kicked. I highly doubt ticket sales have rebounded yet. |
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The Original Cyber Bartender
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Great read. I am sorry, but this has gotten to much play.
If United goes Tits Up you thought flying was difficult before, well you ain't seen nothing yet. |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | fatchance - 2017-04-12 3:35 PM Great read. I am sorry, but this has gotten to much play.
If United goes Tits Up you thought flying was difficult before, well you ain't seen nothing yet.
I couldn't agree more. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Nevertooold - 2017-04-12 4:41 PM fatchance - 2017-04-12 3:35 PM Great read. I am sorry, but this has gotten to much play.
If United goes Tits Up you thought flying was difficult before, well you ain't seen nothing yet.
"horror vacui"
Nature,(captialism in this case) abhors a vaccum.
If for some reason UAL goes "tits up" (sort of sexist but I'll go with it) the void they leave will soon be filled with other carriers. There may be some short term anti-trust issues and or service delays but the void will get filled.
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The Original Cyber Bartender
Location: Washington | 1DSoon - 2017-04-12 2:34 PM Nevertooold - 2017-04-12 4:41 PM fatchance - 2017-04-12 3:35 PM Great read. I am sorry, but this has gotten to much play.
If United goes Tits Up you thought flying was difficult before, well you ain't seen nothing yet.
Nature,(captialism in this case) abhors a vaccum.
If for some reason UAL goes "tits up" (sort of sexist but I'll go with it) the void they leave will soon be filled with other carriers. There may be some short term anti-trust issues and or service delays but the void will get filled.
As always we will agree to disagree, tits and all. |
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Tried and True
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Location: Where I am happiest | Bear - 2017-04-12 2:22 PM ThreeCorners - 2017-04-12 1:50 PM So I wonder if United's ticket sales have plumeted? They lost $1.4 billion yesterday. The company is getting its ass kicked. I highly doubt ticket sales have rebounded yet.
Yes but that was stocks. I was talking about actual flights booked since this debacle. |
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