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| My son who is 14 started staying with his father full time about a year ago so that he could rope every day. They live close so I thought that I would be able to see him often. I hardly see him at all in that they take him out of state a lot to rope and when they rope close, they do not bother to tell me about it. Now my ex has decided to home school him. I am not for it at all. We have great schools where we live and think it's important for him to socialize. They live out in the middle of nowhere and he does not have any friends out there. He also has some great opportunities to go to just about any college he wants to because he will have access to Native American grants. I do not know anybody that has gone on to college that home schooled. My question is, do you have of know of any success stories of home schooling? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BROKEN FEATHER - 2017-04-12 4:11 PM
My son who is 14 started staying with his father full time about a year ago so that he could rope every day. They live close so I thought that I would be able to see him often. I hardly see him at all in that they take him out of state a lot to rope and when they rope close, they do not bother to tell me about it. Now my ex has decided to home school him. I am not for it at all. We have great schools where we live and think it's important for him to socialize. They live out in the middle of nowhere and he does not have any friends out there. He also has some great opportunities to go to just about any college he wants to because he will have access to Native American grants. I do not know anybody that has gone on to college that home schooled. My question is, do you have of know of any success stories of home schooling?
Socializing isn't an issue at all. he can socialize while roping. Roping can take him many places. He can still apply for the grant after he has completed homeschooling and earned his GED. He can still go to college on the grant and may get looked at more for colleges with rodeo teams. Home schooling is best in this type of situation. As long as schooling is getting done and as long as he earns his GED college is always an option and grants and scholarships are granted to children who homeschool all day everyday.
Roping will be an added bonus to his application. Especially if he is picked up by a college specifically for a rodeo team scholarship. |
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| Lots of home schoolers are successful at college. If he lives close by, get in your car and drive over there to see if he is roping :). I hope they start to include you more. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | rodeomom3 - 2017-04-12 4:24 PM Lots of home schoolers are successful at college. If he lives close by, get in your car and drive over there to see if he is roping :). I hope they start to include you more.
To be completely honest, I don't they are intentially leaving you out. They are Male... They forget a lot of things and don't think like we do. They may not know that you take prde in watching the ropings. Maybe ask him for a schedule or send a short text asking for a weekend schedule or weekly schedule. I'm sure your son would send it to you.
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Location: Where I am happiest | BROKEN FEATHER - 2017-04-12 4:11 PM My son who is 14 started staying with his father full time about a year ago so that he could rope every day. They live close so I thought that I would be able to see him often. I hardly see him at all in that they take him out of state a lot to rope and when they rope close, they do not bother to tell me about it. Now my ex has decided to home school him. I am not for it at all. We have great schools where we live and think it's important for him to socialize. They live out in the middle of nowhere and he does not have any friends out there. He also has some great opportunities to go to just about any college he wants to because he will have access to Native American grants. I do not know anybody that has gone on to college that home schooled. My question is, do you have of know of any success stories of home schooling? Yep. I homeschooled my daughter her junior and senior years. She actually finished her high school in a year instead of 2 through public school's as she was able to work at HER pace instead of the schools pace. We went through a state run home school program. She entered college, did her first year at the community college to get her generals out of the way then transfered. She got her masters, graduated on the Deans list carrying a 3.8 all through college. She now has a great job with the county and is the administrator of her entire county division.
Trust me, home schooling can be a great thing and these kids that rodeo are NOT lacking socialization! I'll also point out, the socialization they get going to rodeo's, ropings, and barrel races are far better then the socialization and experiences they get running around with other kids with no supervision if you get my drift. At least he is always for 80% - 90% with a parent!! Feel blessed Mom and dont cause a rift just because you talk yourself into it. He CAN go to college and his time with his Dad and roping is FAR better then running around doing drugs, stealing cars, or getting girls pregnant. If you say you dont get to spend much time with your son and I suspect this is the core of your misgivings, then perhaps being the supportive Mom is the much better way to go and go watch some of his ropings! Please dont rain on your sons parade because your jealous of the time he spends with his Dad. Peace out Mom.
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Location: Texas | My 2 oldest granddaughters are home schooled with the oldest graduating last year and is now attending college on a rodeo scholarship. She is really smart and social and would have suceeded in either situation but decided to homeschool because it fit into their schedule better (which I didn't really like). I don't think a little structure would have hurt. Not everyone is going to get a scholarship. They have plenty of rodeo friends to socialize with but know no other people their age in our small town.
My other grandchildren go to public school. They play in school sports and are involved in losts of activities and probably know almost everyone in town. They do not rodeo.
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| My daughter has homeschooled her whole life and at 15 she started her own photography business and now at 17 she is pretty well known and getting called out all over to shoot rodeos and other events. She is even getting invited by other big photographers to come along on some of their shoots. They can socialize at any of their events like ropings and I think my daughter gets even more and better socialization because she has to deal with a lot of adults and do grown up things like manage her little blooming business, handle money, pay bills ect. I also have several friends who have kids who have gone on to be very successful in college. I know it can go wrong but as long as the kid and parents keep after it the level of education can be very good. |
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| Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT)
I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route. |
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Location: Texas | There are homeschool groups, I am not sure where yall are located. I am a Homeschool kiddo. I loved it. I didn't have many friends in school when I went to public school, to begin with. I attended 4h and went to barrel races, but still didn't friends my age. Public school was too loud for me or teaching a test and mom didn't like that, she wanted me to have an education. I went to college and got my bachelors, worked about 2 years in an accounting firm, went back and got my teaching certification. I now teach at a public school, have been here about 5 years. I work at a disciplinary campus, and not the main campus and love it.
Friends I had that homeschooled also is a fireman, and the other was a Navy pilot, where the others ended up I am not sure.
Mom made sure I learned and went to "school" when she home schooled me. I had to be at the table ready for school at 8, and that was the only thing I was allowed to do until the school day was over. The homeschool many do nowadays where they say they are homeschooling, and they do not teach their children, basically, they are free range, I do not agree with.
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| I have a few cousins that were home schooled and they are both registered nurses and doing fine except for huge amounts of student loan debt. They were in 4H when they were kids but the majority of their social activities were with their church. Very very conservative Christian family and that was why they home schooled. If you think your ex is capable of doing this you should not worry too much. I would be more concerned about not being able to see him. Do you think your ex is intentionally excluding you? Sure seems like it. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | I am wanting to homeschool our daughter too but she is just 14 mos so I have a little time. I have worried some about socialization. But I think with 4H, church, rodeo, and a local homeschool group she will be okay. I have thought about dance lessons or something similar too to help with more socialization with kids her age. |
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| In my opinion, there are two types of homeschooling going on with kids that I know. I know kids whose parents chose to homeschool them for academic reasons, whether they were struggling to keep up, or more advanced than their peers, or they may have a busy schedule working for their parents on their ranch, so it makes sense for them to homeschool to allow them to do more to help the family.
THEN I see the kids who are "homeschooling" but you never hear of them actually doing anything besides roping or racing all the time and swiping their parents' credit cards every 5 minutes.
I am not trying to be overly judgmental, but I really worry about these kids. When I was in high school and college, I worked either part or full-time, kept multiple horses in shape and tuned up, practiced, AND went to school full-time. I was one of the only one of my peers who did all this, and it was hard, but it taught me HUSTLE. Now a decade post high school and college graduation, its hard for me not to feel like I have achieved so much more than many of them. I know a lot of baby-boomers are very displeased with my generation, but I guess we will see what is to come from the one with all this homeschooling going on. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I hope that his dad is really doing the home schooling for your son and not just roping all the time, home schooling is really tough and you got to be on top of it and know what your doing is the dad qualified to be able to have the time and knowledge to beable to help your son? Theres alot more to this then most people think. |
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| I was homeschooled and very well socialized. I ran highschool rodeo and loved it. College wasn't a problem for me, I attended a very well known engineering school and graduated with 3.8 GPA |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I home schooled and went to a Christian private school. I went to the private school because my mom was tired of fighting me to do my school work. My dad owned a sale barn and I had a barn full of barrel horses, so school tended to be the furthest thing from my mind. I started at the private school when I was a sophomore in high school and never looked back. Since I maintained a 4.0 and they knew my extensive travel schedule and the fact that I worked for my dad, I was allowed to leave school at 12 everyday. I graduated valedictorian and went to school on a full ride rodeo scholarship. I was exempt from having to take the entrance exam that most home and private school students do due to my SAT scores. I took no remedial classes and took 18 hours my first two semesters in college. I LOVED the private school, but honestly don't advise home school. It takes A LOT of self discipline and dedication to your studies, and lets face it- rodeo kids are more likely to be more dedicated to their horses and the sport they love. I still completed my freshman year as a homeschool student- which included geometry, Spanish 2, and chemistry, but it wasn't easy. It always ended up with my mom and me locked in her office for hours the day before my six week assignments had to be turned in. I also personally know several people that "homeschooled" and never graduated or got a GED. my private school was basically home school in a more controlled environment. It was mostly self-taught and self-paced, but we had instructors to offer structure and assistance when needed. I never missed the social aspect of high school, I hated drama and had more important things to do on Friday nights than go to the movies, or a party, or a football game. I feel like that by surrounding myself with people with similar interests and goals as myself my drive to succeed was increased. |
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| I homeschooled from 5th grade on. I went to college and have a BBA in Business. There are more homechooled college graduates than you think. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-04-13 10:16 AM I hope that his dad is really doing the home schooling for your son and not just roping all the time, home schooling is really tough and you got to be on top of it and know what your doing is the dad qualified to be able to have the time and knowledge to beable to help your son? Theres alot more to this then most people think. Correct! There is a lot more to Home educating! Especially record keeping if one is wanting to participate in "sports" in College. There is a rigorous to do list with the NCAA. I am in my 10th year of Home schooling, 7th year with Classical Conversations (the best program imo) If the purpose is just to be able to rope more then I would be concerned! IF it is to create an independent thinker and worker then Go for it!!!!! Check out the statistics on Home schoolers and testing and College entrance! Very, very good stats, especially Classic Conversation grads. My 10th grader has already scored a 26 on ACT and is taking those difficult courses that were mentioned by the public school teacher and is carrying a 4.0 and playing very competitive basketball and has 6 years and counting of piano for his Fine Arts. He attended 1 semester of Public VoTech in Pre Engineering and had enough of that after sitting through hours of time being wasted.....BUT the great thing of being in the USA we have the freedom to choose what is best for each of us! You better get involved with driving over and dropping in quite frequently especially since his education is in question.
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| streakysox - 2017-04-13 8:30 AM Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT) I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route. Really? How many Homeschool families do you personally know? OR, maybe you are referencing the Public School system?  Because we know that EVERY parent in that system pays attention to everything going on with their student.
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Location: Arkansas | TyE - 2017-04-16 12:37 AM
streakysox - 2017-04-13 8:30 AM Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT) I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route. Really? How many Homeschool families do you personally know? OR, maybe you are referencing the Public School system? Because we know that EVERY parent in that system pays attention to everything going on with their student.
I would think it would be hard to say EVERY parent pays attention to EVERYTHING going on with their child. Chandler went to a private Christian school and I helped with his homework almost every night. I stayed on top of his grades and his schooling and his activities---but I know I didn't know EVERYTHING. And yes, I've personally known homeschool families that weren't on top of the game when it came to teaching or learning. . . .
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-04-16 1:40 PM TyE - 2017-04-16 12:37 AM streakysox - 2017-04-13 8:30 AM Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT) I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route. Really? How many Homeschool families do you personally know? OR, maybe you are referencing the Public School system? Because we know that EVERY parent in that system pays attention to everything going on with their student. I would think it would be hard to say EVERY parent pays attention to EVERYTHING going on with their child. Chandler went to a private Christian school and I helped with his homework almost every night. I stayed on top of his grades and his schooling and his activities---but I know I didn't know EVERYTHING. And yes, I've personally known homeschool families that weren't on top of the game when it came to teaching or learning. . . . I considered homeschool with Chandler, but I KNEW neither he nor I were disciplined enough
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Location: Arkansas | TyE - 2017-04-16 1:59 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-04-16 1:40 PM TyE - 2017-04-16 12:37 AM streakysox - 2017-04-13 8:30 AM Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT) I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route. Really? How many Homeschool families do you personally know? OR, maybe you are referencing the Public School system? Because we know that EVERY parent in that system pays attention to everything going on with their student. I would think it would be hard to say EVERY parent pays attention to EVERYTHING going on with their child. Chandler went to a private Christian school and I helped with his homework almost every night. I stayed on top of his grades and his schooling and his activities---but I know I didn't know EVERYTHING. And yes, I've personally known homeschool families that weren't on top of the game when it came to teaching or learning. . . . I considered homeschool with Chandler, but I KNEW neither he nor I were disciplined enough
I surely do know plenty of parents with children in public and private schools that don't give a rat's rear about their children's studies. I sometimes wonder if they even care about the kids themselves. . . . I will say that I have the utmost respect for good teachers. They do something I could never do and don't get enough money or recognition for it.
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Location: Texas | I think home schooling is so often done for the wrong reason. i.e. more time to rodeo or any other sport or just the convenience. We have grandkids that are home schooled and some that go to public school. Having worked for a large school district for many years as support staff, if people have complaints about the school system then you need to get involved. If you are thinking about home schooling your child, then maybe you should get involved at your local school. Volunteer. If you don't have the time to volunteer then you don't have time to home school your child. Find out what is going on in the school. Get to know the teachers and staff. I believe most are doing a good job. You don't become a teacher to get rich or because it is easy.
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| First of all I will say that many parents have a very structured schedule for home schooling. I recommended home schooling to a young lady that was having difficulties of the multiple kind at school. I really felt that was the only way she way she would ever finish high school. Her remark was "I didn't know you cared that much about me." I do know many parents who use home schooling as an excuse for their children to miss school and run the streets. Ashley Lynn and I both know people who have never finished high school at home because there was not structure. I said MANY times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. That does not mean that all parents do that. I will say that I see kids all the time who are put back in public school because they did little if nothing at home, so yes, I have experience with this. |
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| RocketPilot - 2017-04-17 12:19 PM
I think home schooling is so often done for the wrong reason. i.e. more time to rodeo or any other sport or just the convenience. We have grandkids that are home schooled and some that go to public school. Having worked for a large school district for many years as support staff, if people have complaints about the school system then you need to get involved. If you are thinking about home schooling your child, then maybe you should get involved at your local school. Volunteer. If you don't have the time to volunteer then you don't have time to home school your child. Find out what is going on in the school. Get to know the teachers and staff. I believe most are doing a good job. You don't become a teacher to get rich or because it is easy.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | RocketPilot - 2017-04-17 12:19 PM I think home schooling is so often done for the wrong reason. i.e. more time to rodeo or any other sport or just the convenience. We have grandkids that are home schooled and some that go to public school. Having worked for a large school district for many years as support staff, if people have complaints about the school system then you need to get involved. If you are thinking about home schooling your child, then maybe you should get involved at your local school. Volunteer. If you don't have the time to volunteer then you don't have time to home school your child. Find out what is going on in the school. Get to know the teachers and staff. I believe most are doing a good job. You don't become a teacher to get rich or because it is easy.
Volunteering doesn't fix a system that doesn't provide the support that individual kids need. Many public schools are too busy overburdening teachers with large classes and testing, as well as trying to protect their reputation by denying that problems exist and bullying parents who advocate for their children.
When a school district refuses to acknowledge multiple dyslexia diagnosis because they don't want to have to provide a reading program for those kids, something is bad wrong. When a school district turns parents in to the DA for removing their 1st grader 30 minutes early twice a week for specialized private therapy his DOCTOR and THERAPISTS say he needs because he has profound childhood apraxia of speech, something is bad wrong. When a school stalks a parent's FB page and confronts her with evidence of her "badmouthing" (ie venting) at a meeting to amend her special needs child's IEP, and then refuses out of hand to consider the needed changes, we have a bad problem. When a kindergarten teacher has to suspend reading groups for 4 out of every 9 weeks for district mandated testing, we have a bad problem.
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2017-04-17 4:18 PM RocketPilot - 2017-04-17 12:19 PM I think home schooling is so often done for the wrong reason. i.e. more time to rodeo or any other sport or just the convenience. We have grandkids that are home schooled and some that go to public school. Having worked for a large school district for many years as support staff, if people have complaints about the school system then you need to get involved. If you are thinking about home schooling your child, then maybe you should get involved at your local school. Volunteer. If you don't have the time to volunteer then you don't have time to home school your child. Find out what is going on in the school. Get to know the teachers and staff. I believe most are doing a good job. You don't become a teacher to get rich or because it is easy. Volunteering doesn't fix a system that doesn't provide the support that individual kids need. Many public schools are too busy overburdening teachers with large classes and testing, as well as trying to protect their reputation by denying that problems exist and bullying parents who advocate for their children.
When a school district refuses to acknowledge multiple dyslexia diagnosis because they don't want to have to provide a reading program for those kids, something is bad wrong. When a school district turns parents in to the DA for removing their 1st grader 30 minutes early twice a week for specialized private therapy his DOCTOR and THERAPISTS say he needs because he has profound childhood apraxia of speech, something is bad wrong. When a school stalks a parent's FB page and confronts her with evidence of her "badmouthing" (ie venting) at a meeting to amend her special needs child's IEP, and then refuses out of hand to consider the needed changes, we have a bad problem. When a kindergarten teacher has to suspend reading groups for 4 out of every 9 weeks for district mandated testing, we have a bad problem.
Can you blame a parent for being done?
I am not blaming the parents for anything. I would also be upset with the examples you gave but I would also not feel qualified to home school a child with the issues described. Not sure any parent would. The cases I was questioning were the children who wanted more time to practice rodeo or any other sport/activity. |
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Location: Florida | Have you home schooler parents stopped to ask why a school system doesn't want to admit to a diagnosis requiring alot of additional one on one help for your child? Could it be because they are so underfunded that they just can't afford to do what is right? Have you asked why they are so underfunded?
From personal experience the biggest handicap home school students face as adults is social skills. They often don't have the social skills and coping skills need to face the world outside their isolated upbringing. They don't know how to deal with defeat, hardship and just the plain cruel world. I am sure you are happy they get to skip that in their youth, but it is still out there. Just make sure you are not emotionally crippling them for life by keeping them in your ideal bubble.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Rocket, this was one of the wealthier districts in the state. If the small poor ones can provide dyslexia support, then surely to God a larger wealthy one can. The freakin system is broken, it's become a competition for funding via test scores and forgot about the children. Not the teachers' fault, it's the administrators and the system they are working in. As for not being qualified, or lacking real life or challenging experiences that Vickie mentioned, that's pretty funny. These kids aren't isolated, they have more social time than mine do who go to school. There is SO MUCH support for homeschoolers these days from enrichment and social groups, to specialized instruction to organized field trips. That child who was told at the age of 3 that he would never speak has worked his butt off to learn to talk a blue streak at age 10 (speaking will always be difficult for him, apraxia is a motor planning issue, he has to work for every word). He was told reading would be difficult (apraxia makes sounding out words hard, plus the dyslexia on top of that), but with hard work and determination and specialized instruction, he not only reads well, he loves to do it. He has to deal with bullying A***H****s everywhere he goes and does so with a grace that is beyond his years. (Please don't judge someone as unintelligent just because they don't speak well or clearly) Don't tell me he doesn't know adversity and defeat. This is my nephew, btw, and if my sister hadn't fought for that child, quit her job, and taken control of his education, he would not be where he is now. She didn't do it alone, she's had a team of therapists and specialists working with him and advising her, she's taken training classes, and prayed and worked and learned and pulled her hair out at times to get him the education he deserves. |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2017-04-17 10:00 PM
Rocket, this was one of the wealthier districts in the state. If the small poor ones can provide dyslexia support, then surely to God a larger wealthy one can. The freakin system is broken, it's become a competition for funding via test scores and forgot about the children. Not the teachers' fault, it's the administrators and the system they are working in. As for not being qualified, or lacking real life or challenging experiences that Vickie mentioned, that's pretty funny. These kids aren't isolated, they have more social time than mine do who go to school. There is SO MUCH support for homeschoolers these days from enrichment and social groups, to specialized instruction to organized field trips. That child who was told at the age of 3 that he would never speak has worked his butt off to learn to talk a blue streak at age 10 (speaking will always be difficult for him, apraxia is a motor planning issue, he has to work for every word). He was told reading would be difficult (apraxia makes sounding out words hard, plus the dyslexia on top of that), but with hard work and determination and specialized instruction, he not only reads well, he loves to do it. He has to deal with bullying A***H****s everywhere he goes and does so with a grace that is beyond his years. (Please don't judge someone as unintelligent just because they don't speak well or clearly) Don't tell me he doesn't know adversity and defeat. This is my nephew, btw, and if my sister hadn't fought for that child, quit her job, and taken control of his education, he would not be where he is now. She didn't do it alone, she's had a team of therapists and specialists working with him and advising her, she's taken training classes, and prayed and worked and learned and pulled her hair out at times to get him the education he deserves.
Way to go for your sister and her son. Y'all must all be very proud of him. He sounds like quite a young man. |
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| Vickie - 2017-04-17 7:37 PM Have you home schooler parents stopped to ask why a school system doesn't want to admit to a diagnosis requiring alot of additional one on one help for your child? Could it be because they are so underfunded that they just can't afford to do what is right? Have you asked why they are so underfunded?
From personal experience the biggest handicap home school students face as adults is social skills. They often don't have the social skills and coping skills need to face the world outside their isolated upbringing. They don't know how to deal with defeat, hardship and just the plain cruel world. I am sure you are happy they get to skip that in their youth, but it is still out there. Just make sure you are not emotionally crippling them for life by keeping them in your ideal bubble.
   
You have got to be kidding............. This may have been true in the 80's, when parents felt they had to be more secretive, BUT this is the BIGGEST lie and misconception out there that today's modern homeschooler has to face. It is the biggest joke that we all like to laugh about when we are gathered together socializing. If I were to involve my son in all the activities that are available we would never get any schoolwork accomplished.
How many personal experiences do you have with the un-socialized homeschool families? Would you say "Many" and would you please define your term of "Many?" Seems like that term is thrown around quite frequently when coupled with the words: homeschooler, unsupervised and unsocialized.
Schools are underfunded! Most Definitely, that we will agree upon.
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| Three 4 Luck - 2017-04-17 10:00 PM Rocket, this was one of the wealthier districts in the state. If the small poor ones can provide dyslexia support, then surely to God a larger wealthy one can. The freakin system is broken, it's become a competition for funding via test scores and forgot about the children. Not the teachers' fault, it's the administrators and the system they are working in. As for not being qualified, or lacking real life or challenging experiences that Vickie mentioned, that's pretty funny. These kids aren't isolated, they have more social time than mine do who go to school. There is SO MUCH support for homeschoolers these days from enrichment and social groups, to specialized instruction to organized field trips. That child who was told at the age of 3 that he would never speak has worked his butt off to learn to talk a blue streak at age 10 (speaking will always be difficult for him, apraxia is a motor planning issue, he has to work for every word). He was told reading would be difficult (apraxia makes sounding out words hard, plus the dyslexia on top of that), but with hard work and determination and specialized instruction, he not only reads well, he loves to do it. He has to deal with bullying A***H****s everywhere he goes and does so with a grace that is beyond his years. (Please don't judge someone as unintelligent just because they don't speak well or clearly) Don't tell me he doesn't know adversity and defeat. This is my nephew, btw, and if my sister hadn't fought for that child, quit her job, and taken control of his education, he would not be where he is now. She didn't do it alone, she's had a team of therapists and specialists working with him and advising her, she's taken training classes, and prayed and worked and learned and pulled her hair out at times to get him the education he deserves.
EXACTLY!!!
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| streakysox - 2017-04-13 6:30 AM
Since I am a public school teacher, I am in favor of public schools. There are definitely advantages to public schools besides socializing. First of all teachers have to be certified in their subject area. Difficult courses like Chemistry and Physics or Algebra are extremely hard without some explanation. I know that colleges require Algebra and most require some form of Chemistry. It helps to be prepared since college classes cost money. Public schools offer many things that you cannot get through home schooling such as fine arts to mention one. Sports is another and while fine arts and sports are two of the fartherest things from what I teach, they are important. Most places that you work now require you to be a part of a team, even teaching. Home schooling is not free. Many times parents do not supervise that work is getting done. Texas colleges require a students take a test and if they do not pass they have to take remedial classes that are expensive and do not count for anything. Public schools do prepare you for that. (NOT ACT OR SAT)
I do know that in many states (Texas is one) students are required to attend a certain number of days or they lose credit for the entire semester. Rodeoing counts as absences. Ashleylynn on here attended a Christian school so could she could rodeo. I have known her since she was a little fart. She can give you the best input on that route.
Fellow school teacher here as well and could not agree more! I am not sure how many parents out there have a masters in Chemistry, Bio, or math subjects, but I can't imagine a general rodeo dad being able to home school a student in those subjects. I would want my kids to learn from someone highly qualified. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | it makes me chuckle to see folks claiming that Schools are underfunded.
That's the least of their worries.
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Location: Dubach, LA | 1DSoon - 2017-04-18 11:47 AM it makes me chuckle to see folks claiming that Schools are underfunded.
That's the least of their worries.
Public Learning is a big business.
Public learning is big business. My district is wealthy. We have a host of IEP students and free lunch students that bring in lots of federal $.
The district hired an educational consulting group that has run around my school all year saying, "Istruction must be student-led. Students learn best from each other. Don't use direct instruction. Don't be the 'sage from the stage.'"
The district hired a second educational consulting group to evaluate the need to renew a charter for a performing arts charter school. The consulting group recommended not renewing the charter. Guess why? Yep. At the performing arts school, students led the classes. All instruction was student-based using ipads. |
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| This is the first year that my daughter who is 7th grade has home-schooled. But we chose to go through an online academy that is accredited. She will graduate with a high school diploma just like if she graduated from a public or private school that is accredited. We use Enlightium Christian Academy. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2017-04-17 7:37 PM
Have you home schooler parents stopped to ask why a school system doesn't want to admit to a diagnosis requiring alot of additional one on one help for your child? Could it be because they are so underfunded that they just can't afford to do what is right? Have you asked why they are so underfunded?
From personal experience the biggest handicap home school students face as adults is social skills. They often don't have the social skills and coping skills need to face the world outside their isolated upbringing. They don't know how to deal with defeat, hardship and just the plain cruel world. I am sure you are happy they get to skip that in their youth, but it is still out there. Just make sure you are not emotionally crippling them for life by keeping them in your ideal bubble.
Out of curiosity, to which "diagnoses" are you referring? |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | I am always amazed at how defensive people on either side of this issue become. If your are making sure your child is receiving the best educational opportunity available, does it really matter what anyone thinks?? |
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| SC Wrangler - 2017-04-18 6:34 PM I am always amazed at how defensive people on either side of this issue become. If your are making sure your child is receiving the best educational opportunity available, does it really matter what anyone thinks??
It ONLY matters when someone's "opinion" is unfounded in the BIG SCHEME of the subject and that "assumption" would prohibit someone from thinking outside of the box and adventuring outside of the Public School System.
It certainly DOES NOT MATTER what anyone thinks about how my child is educated, if that were a concern then NO ONE would homeschool, but it does matter when the group as a whole is not being fairly evaluated. Once again, it is the same as someone throwing the Public School Teacher into one box of "many are not properly teaching their class," which is a false statement that I would defend as well. |
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| streakysox - 2017-04-17 1:02 PM RocketPilot - 2017-04-17 12:19 PM I think home schooling is so often done for the wrong reason. i.e. more time to rodeo or any other sport or just the convenience. We have grandkids that are home schooled and some that go to public school. Having worked for a large school district for many years as support staff, if people have complaints about the school system then you need to get involved. If you are thinking about home schooling your child, then maybe you should get involved at your local school. Volunteer. If you don't have the time to volunteer then you don't have time to home school your child. Find out what is going on in the school. Get to know the teachers and staff. I believe most are doing a good job. You don't become a teacher to get rich or because it is easy. This is very true.
More $$ is spent per student then ever before. However, the majority of this is spent in administrative staff, not in the classroom-the big business angle of public schools.
I know plenty of well adjusted and socialized home school children. If they have a passion for rodeo that is a good reason to home school. Most home schoolers are ahead of their peers.
For every home schooler who does not succeed I guarantee there is a public school graduate who has been moved along because of the " no child left behind policy" and graduates reading on an elementary level. Read the articles about how unprepared kids are for college today.
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I am talking about the work environment. For example: having no idea how to deal with working in cooperative small groups or committees. I am not talking sports or mall walking, I am talking a pressure filled work environment.
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| Vickie - 2017-04-19 6:41 AM I am talking about the work environment. For example: having no idea how to deal with working in cooperative small groups or committees. I am not talking sports or mall walking, I am talking a pressure filled work environment.
I agree with Tye-homeschooling has evolved into a very organized community. Around me kids are showing animals, on 4H committees, organizing volunteer efforts, when old enough they have part time jobs. Homeschoolers today do not have to miss out on anything. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Vickie - 2017-04-19 6:41 AM I am talking about the work environment. For example: having no idea how to deal with working in cooperative small groups or committees. I am not talking sports or mall walking, I am talking a pressure filled work environment.
That's a personality issue. I'm a product of public school and land grant university and I work way better alone. |
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Location: Nebraska | BROKEN FEATHER - 2017-04-12 4:11 PM My son who is 14 started staying with his father full time about a year ago so that he could rope every day. They live close so I thought that I would be able to see him often. I hardly see him at all in that they take him out of state a lot to rope and when they rope close, they do not bother to tell me about it. Now my ex has decided to home school him. I am not for it at all. We have great schools where we live and think it's important for him to socialize. They live out in the middle of nowhere and he does not have any friends out there. He also has some great opportunities to go to just about any college he wants to because he will have access to Native American grants. I do not know anybody that has gone on to college that home schooled. My question is, do you have of know of any success stories of home schooling?
My sister struggled with high school and did a program through the University of Nebraska at Lincoln. She didn't have to get a GED, she got her high school diploma through there. I think they even had a graduaion/prom/homecoming for those that wanted to attend.That might be something to consider. Not sure if you have to be a Nebraska resident or if other states offer something similar. |
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