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Location: chasing kids and animals | Ok guys, My mare has started bleeding at times ( not every run but a few times ) at first I thought it was the nasal flairs. Then Friday at BBRWF she did it again without the flares ( Thurs with flairs, fri without flares ). Not alot just I lil bloody drainage from nose. Yes she is coughing after I run her.
I do not want to put her on Lasix but would be interested in trying some Bleed no more or something similiar.
Has anyone else used it or something similiar?
Let me also add: The only time she does this is at a barrel race. Not when being worked at home.
Edited by barrelrunner97 2017-05-01 11:54 AM
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| First, if your seeing blood, and it is in fact from the lungs, its a pretty bad situation. Most horses that bleed do NOT even have any that comes out the nostrils. If its making it that far, lots of blood. Second, if a horse bleeds one day , WHYYYYYY would you run them the next day? If a horse bleeds you have to lay them off MINIMUM 2 weeks, preferably 1 month, and the damage is already done and gets progressively worse. If this horse has bled several times, chances are there is quite a bit of damage. I would have them scoped. Lasix is the only way to go, all the feed through herbal stuff is a crap shoot.
She is not bleeding at home because your probably not asking her to make a competition run at home, there is less excitement to raise that blood pressure as well. As soon as a horse bleeds they need to be put on a 10 day antibiotic treatment immediatly. Blood will pool in the lungs, clot, and cause major respiratory infections.
Edited by FLITASTIC 2017-05-01 2:05 PM
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-05-01 1:43 PM
First, if your seeing blood, and it is in fact from the lungs, its a pretty bad situation. Most horses that bleed do NOT even have any that comes out the nostrils. If its making it that far, lots of blood. Second, if a horse bleeds one day , WHYYYYYY would you run them the next day? If a horse bleeds you have to lay them off MINIMUM 2 weeks, preferably 1 month, and the damage is already done and gets progressively worse. If this horse has bled several times, chances are there is quite a bit of damage. I would have them scoped. Lasix is the only way to go, all the feed through herbal stuff is a crap shoot.
She is not bleeding at home because your probably not asking her to make a competition run at home, there is less excitement to raise that blood pressure as well. As soon as a horse bleeds they need to be put on a 10 day antibiotic treatment immediatly. Blood will pool in the lungs, clot, and cause major respiratory infections.
^^^that. All of it.
Now, there's a possibility that she is not bleeding in the lungs, but basically has a bloody nose - however there is no way of knowing that without a vets exam and scope.
It's pretty critical to get her looked at. You could be in a world of hurt holding off. |
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Mrs. BigWig
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Location: chasing kids and animals | It has only happened 2times ( one time during the summer with a flair strip ) then not again until BBRWF one day with a flair strip and next without and again different climate ) and yes I am going to get her scoped. Both times it happened was in a climate change amd very dusty conditions. The first time was after using a nasal flair so I assumed it busted a vessel in her nose. I was just asking if anyone has ever used in of that stuff if the vet says she is a bleeder. BUT YES she is going to the vet to get her looked at. Just was looking for options for IF he said we needed to put her on something.
Edited by barrelrunner97 2017-05-01 3:19 PM
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Location: Roping pen | My older head horse used to do this. What we found out, if we worked him hard after being fed, we were promoting a bleed. We stopped feeding him 3 hours or so before the event and have not had anymore problems over 2 years. |
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| barrelrunner97 - 2017-05-01 1:17 PM
It has only happened 2times ( one time during the summer with a flair strip ) then not again until BBRWF one day with a flair strip and next without and again different climate ) and yes I am going to get her scoped. Both times it happened was in a climate change amd very dusty conditions. The first time was after using a nasal flair so I assumed it busted a vessel in her nose. I was just asking if anyone has ever used in of that stuff if the vet says she is a bleeder. BUT YES she is going to the vet to get her looked at. Just was looking for options for IF he said we needed to put her on something.
My guess is the horse has bled more often than the times you physically saw it. Horse probably just bled enough those times for it to actually come out. I cannot see how flair strips are going to cause a horse to bleed or break blood vessels. I have used them for years and years and never heard that. And the flair strip only goes on the lower part of the nose. If it was causing damage or a vessel to pop you would easily see it in the first few inches of the nostril. Since your horse was COUGHING, that is a tell tail sign of blood in the lungs. Another point, if you are not getting them scoped within minutes/few hours after they bleed/run, you won't be able to tell. |
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Mrs. BigWig
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Location: chasing kids and animals | Thanks guys. Again she is going to the vet. |
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Location: chasing kids and animals | Thank you for your input. Like I said she does have an appt and she has never coughed before this either.
I do know that people run bleeders and I am hoping for the best but was just looking at opinions on if that is the case is there any out there that works other than lasix.
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| I know people who have used other supplements and regimens and successfully taken them off or minimize lasix, yes.
That's being said, they used lasix to get the issue under control and then weaned them off slowly.
Outside of supplements a strict exercise/conditioning regimen is important. |
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Location: chasing kids and animals | OhMax - 2017-05-01 4:26 PM I know people who have used other supplements and regimens and successfully taken them off or minimize lasix, yes. That's being said, they used lasix to get the issue under control and then weaned them off slowly. Outside of supplements a strict exercise/conditioning regimen is important.
Thank you.. That is what I was trying to find out. |
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