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| Wanted to know your experiences with this please. Vet was out and did a respiratory exam, I told him my gelding coughs away from home it seems every time we ride. Also will cough after a run in a big pen a couple times. He recommended if I don't buy a nebulizer mask to try ventipulmin at the lowest dose to clear up his allergies/airways. |
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| I have, and thought it worked. But now it is on the "illegal" list for WPRA so I no longer use it and my horse ended up being a bleeder. I use an Equi-Resp with silver and essential oils, supplements, tri-hist for allergies, lasix for bleeding and a pre race. |
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| stjelde - 2017-05-03 4:03 PM
I have, and thought it worked. But now it is on the "illegal" list for WPRA so I no longer use it and my horse ended up being a bleeder. I use an Equi-Resp with silver and essential oils, supplements, tri-hist for allergies, lasix for bleeding and a pre race.
Have you had results with your mask just as good? I know it's the new fad all around, I just don't have the 700-800 to spend on one plus whatever medicines go in it. Ventipulmin just seems so much easier to dose. I don't run rodeo either. I never give any of mine any performance enhancers so I'm just skeptical and wanted opinions. Thanks! |
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Location: Back Creek Valley!!! | stjelde - 2017-05-03 5:03 PM
I have, and thought it worked. But now it is on the "illegal" list for WPRA so I no longer use it and my horse ended up being a bleeder. I use an Equi-Resp with silver and essential oils, supplements, tri-hist for allergies, lasix for bleeding and a pre race.
Can I ask what essential oils you use and how. We you a equi-Resp on our bleeder and I was curious how to use the oil with it.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | stjelde - 2017-05-03 5:03 PM I have, and thought it worked. But now it is on the "illegal" list for WPRA so I no longer use it and my horse ended up being a bleeder. I use an Equi-Resp with silver and essential oils, supplements, tri-hist for allergies, lasix for bleeding and a pre race.
this is a good idea.
Might as well go with a treatment that "may" work but probably won't instead of something that actually does and has for years.
Same reason I shine a red flash light on wounds instead of actually treating them. |
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Location: Southern Indiana | It works well as a pre race medication to open the airways, but I've found wind aid works just as well. Ventipulmin won't clear up anything. It's more of a temporary aid, kind of like an inhaler. Same with a nebulizer, they definitely help but not a cure. I would start by wetting down bedding, hay, and grain. You need to cut down on any dust and mold your horses is ingesting. Then you might try the ventipulmin when you run.
If your interested in a nebulizer you may want to check out the silver horse. I have one and it's great. It will save you a lot of money. |
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| TheDutchMan01 - 2017-05-03 8:49 PM
It works well as a pre race medication to open the airways, but I've found wind aid works just as well. Ventipulmin won't clear up anything. It's more of a temporary aid, kind of like an inhaler. Same with a nebulizer, they definitely help but not a cure. I would start by wetting down bedding, hay, and grain. You need to cut down on any dust and mold your horses is ingesting. Then you might try the ventipulmin when you run.
If your interested in a nebulizer you may want to check out the silver horse. I have one and it's great. It will save you a lot of money.
So is silver horse a cheaper brand than the equi resp I see advertised all over? |
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| TheDutchMan01 - 2017-05-03 8:49 PM
It works well as a pre race medication to open the airways, but I've found wind aid works just as well. Ventipulmin won't clear up anything. It's more of a temporary aid, kind of like an inhaler. Same with a nebulizer, they definitely help but not a cure. I would start by wetting down bedding, hay, and grain. You need to cut down on any dust and mold your horses is ingesting. Then you might try the ventipulmin when you run.
If your interested in a nebulizer you may want to check out the silver horse. I have one and it's great. It will save you a lot of money.
Also, what is wind aid? I can't get my guy to eat any sort of powder supplements or even stinky herbs :( |
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| I second Wind Aid. Hawthorne Products makes it. I will quote their website:
"Wind Aid was designed to aid in the relief of coughs, allergies, and other minor breathing problems. Wind Aid is a blend of natural aromatic oils and potassium iodide to aid in the reduction of mucus which is a problem in all respiratory-tract irritations, infectious or not.
Wind Aid is in a glycerine base which soothes and coats the irritated surfaces of the throat and aids in the reduction of inflammation. Wind Aid works as an expectorant and allows for more open air passages and free breathing. More air and less labored breathing results in more comfort and better performance."
This has been in the race track world for years, and barrel people are just now catching on to it. It has worked miracles on plenty of horses for me. From allergies to COPD. I also just use it on my healthy horses to open up airways before a run. I seriously LOVE the stuff. It is not something you feed, but given by a syringe. Let me know if you have any other questions, id be happy to help anyway I can!   |
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Location: Ky | Wild1 - 2017-05-03 3:53 PM Wanted to know your experiences with this please. Vet was out and did a respiratory exam, I told him my gelding coughs away from home it seems every time we ride. Also will cough after a run in a big pen a couple times. He recommended if I don't buy a nebulizer mask to try ventipulmin at the lowest dose to clear up his allergies/airways.
It's good stuff. If you want to use it for the upper especially. For a cough, Air Power works just as well. If doesn't have the "juice" of Ventipulmin but for coughing, it's pretty good. |
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Location: MS | Silver Horse is alot cheaper. I've had one for several years.
Becky is great to work with. She worked with my vet to come up with a treatment plan for my bleeder.
We added MSM to the silver to help get rid of inflammation in his airway.
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Location: North Dakota | Yes I've used ventipulmin when my horse was pretty bad BUT I also treated with Dexamethasone for a week. I have (finally) found Uckele LUNG is making a world of difference in how often my horse needs the dexamethasone. I have the ventipulmin on hand just in case he gets really bad but have been maintaining him with the LUNG-it is a pellet form and like your horse-mine is extremely picky and the sicker he gets the less he eats-I've never seen this horse eat the way he does since I've put him on the lung. (I've tried silver lining herbs, CurOst and he just will not eat them and I refuse to force a syringe full of stuff down his throat every day-makes us both mad) |
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Location: Southern Indiana | Wild1 - 2017-05-03 10:12 PM
TheDutchMan01 - 2017-05-03 8:49 PM
It works well as a pre race medication to open the airways, but I've found wind aid works just as well. Ventipulmin won't clear up anything. It's more of a temporary aid, kind of like an inhaler. Same with a nebulizer, they definitely help but not a cure. I would start by wetting down bedding, hay, and grain. You need to cut down on any dust and mold your horses is ingesting. Then you might try the ventipulmin when you run.
If your interested in a nebulizer you may want to check out the silver horse. I have one and it's great. It will save you a lot of money.
So is silver horse a cheaper brand than the equi resp I see advertised all over?
Looks like others have already answered...but here's my take!
Windaid is just a liquid you give to your horse in a syringe. It kind of smells like vix. I usually give 10cc 30 minutes or more prior to my run. It just helps open their airways kinda like cough syrup. It's not tasty but since you give it in a syringe you can usually get most of it down them.
Yes silver horse is cheaper than equi resp. I bought a whole kit for $450. I'm not sure what their prices are now. They have came out with a lot of new options. The mask doesn't have the the rubber around the top but personally I don't see the extra benefit. You can only breathe in so much at once. I've had mine for a couple years now and it's been great. I don't use it for awhile and when I do I'm always reminded of why I should! |
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| I use the breathe in with the collodial silver. I am not sure I like it as much as the peppermint. The peppermint is really strong tho.... so one or two drops max, the breathe isn't as strong. I think I may mix some peppermint in with coconut oil (to lessen the strenghth of it and rub it on their noses before I run. |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas 75686 | Plain old yellow mustard helps open up the airways. This is also a race track thing |
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| 1DSOON...... I am confused why you responded to my post?? Are you being an A***H****?
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| Wild1 - 2017-05-03 4:08 PM stjelde - 2017-05-03 4:03 PM I have, and thought it worked. But now it is on the "illegal" list for WPRA so I no longer use it and my horse ended up being a bleeder. I use an Equi-Resp with silver and essential oils, supplements, tri-hist for allergies, lasix for bleeding and a pre race. Have you had results with your mask just as good? I know it's the new fad all around, I just don't have the 700-800 to spend on one plus whatever medicines go in it. Ventipulmin just seems so much easier to dose. I don't run rodeo either. I never give any of mine any performance enhancers so I'm just skeptical and wanted opinions. Thanks!
I really do like the Equi-resp...... I personally didn't like the side effects of vent and so I quit using it a long time ago, my one mare has a murmur so I didn't want to sue anything any longer that would speed up her heart, they seemed like they got a little jittery and super sweaty before a run, not all the time, sometimes. I do love my equi resp, I don't run without it. And aside from everything way after I quit using vent my horses became bleeders.
I would recommend this...... try it out and see what you think, it isn't going to hurt them and you have had a vet check them out and say vent is a good idea. Could you borrow a breathing treatment item, which ever brand it may be? Try that out maybe? There are so many products out there, I swear I switch every year...... For my horse with COPD I have found turmeric works good for him, I am trying the pozzi x pre race now, I have some wind aid I am going to try and just bought some Equipulmin to try at some point too. Aside from all of that I would never run my bleeders without lasix, I just try to make it as easy as possible for them to breath and feel good.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I know several people who have used Ventipulmin. I myself have not as it is a steroid and my respiratory horse is allergic to steroids (go figure)
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Location: Home....Smiling M Farms | Just my two cents but it sounds like your horse is a bleeder. You said he coughs after big runs and away from home. The coughing after a big run is a red flag to me. That would make me lean more toward, wetting bedding and hay, trying Lasix, pulmashield, and a nebulizer. I have one I bought from Silverhorse years ago and that thing has paid for itself many times. It's a very valuable piece of equipment in my opinion.
Again, this is just my two cents but this is not something I would try venti for. That drug has the potential to be very harsh. It did not work on my bad allergy mare at all. Good luck in your endeavors.
Edited to add; Ventipulim isn't cheap at all. Especially if you're going to need something of that nature long term.
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Location: South Central Florida | First time we ever used it was for a lung infection for a bleeder we didn't know about. She was on it like 10 days, I think? That vet recommended it over lasix for bleeders. We used it when I had enough money because it is so hot here and I figured it would keep her from needing more and more lasix over time.
Never had any problems, none of the problems I have heard others talk about in terms of makeing her extra nervous or heart rate super high, sweating...she just didn't bleed.
I have heard and read it will make them run faster, but we have not ever had that experience. I'm thinking that for bleeders or horses with allergies, maybe they run faster because they can breath?
I would use it again with no problem, it's just expensive.
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| If your horse is a true bleeder, you have to have him / her scoped right after a run to see the bleeding unless it is obvious bleeding from the nose. I have a mare who did the coughing after a run & when I worked her here at home. She never bled from her nose. I was told to scope her, but wasn't told you need to scope right after a run to really see if they are bleeding. So I had her scoped a week later after she ran & she was clean. Long story short, my mare started coughing up blood clots after her run. She was a bleeder down deep in her lungs. She had ran on ventipullum & that was a disaster. That made her wired & she is a fast enough horse as it is, so she didn't need the extra crap to make her run harder. Bad stuff in my opinion. Ran her on Lasix & she was fine. # 1 thing is to have your horse scoped right after your run. If he checks out to be a bleeder, you know. JMHO, I would go with either Lasix or the mask. Don't go with ventipullum. That stuff is just nasty.
ETA --- I have read that ventipulmin is not to be used on a true bleeder. Allergies, copd, yes, but not for a bleeder
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| I know, and I feel like I'm in the guessing stage yet, is he a bleeder? Or allergies? I had a BAL done last fall..I have no way to get him on sending him to a vet after I make a weekend run to truly scope. The BAL showed mucus buildup, no drops of blood in the trachea or wherever else they look, I just don't know the terms.
Can a person be safe and give Lasix & Ventipulmin together 4 hours out or so? Or is that a big no no?
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Location: Eatonville, wa | So I just used it today. I used it a little bit last year . My horse has horrible summer heaves...aka COPD. Complete with coughing and wheezing, completely unrideable.
I don't like it . Honestly it straight makes him a lunatic, a crazed devil monster from hell.
I just got my nebulizer in today, as long as I can find something to nebulizer in it that will help him I won't use ventipulmim. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I really like RespiFree from OmegaAlpha, works best if you give it every day. My old gelding will suck it out of the syringe but he's weird, he loves Air Power and will lick it up if it gets spilled. I also like the respiratory formula from Forefront and it is pretty reasonable. My gelding with severe COPD did not respond to the CurOst formulas (which I love) but he does great on the Forefront stuff. |
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| Barnmom - 2017-05-06 9:12 PM
I really like RespiFree from OmegaAlpha, works best if you give it every day. My old gelding will suck it out of the syringe but he's weird, he loves Air Power and will lick it up if it gets spilled. I also like the respiratory formula from Forefront and it is pretty reasonable. My gelding with severe COPD did not respond to the CurOst formulas (which I love) but he does great on the Forefront stuff.
I just looked up Omega Alpha products but there are 3 different ones that look interesting to try! I also wonder about equipulmin too. I feel going with a liquid herb supplement would be better, I hate the trial and error process though uggg |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Wild1 - 2017-05-07 9:05 PM Barnmom - 2017-05-06 9:12 PM I really like RespiFree from OmegaAlpha, works best if you give it every day. My old gelding will suck it out of the syringe but he's weird, he loves Air Power and will lick it up if it gets spilled. I also like the respiratory formula from Forefront and it is pretty reasonable. My gelding with severe COPD did not respond to the CurOst formulas (which I love) but he does great on the Forefront stuff. I just looked up Omega Alpha products but there are 3 different ones that look interesting to try! I also wonder about equipulmin too. I feel going with a liquid herb supplement would be better, I hate the trial and error process though uggg
Thats why I went with the RespiFree, it is a combo of three of the other formulas. I just noticed it went up in price, bummer, used to be $125 a gallon now it's $139. I will still use it though, it worked when lots of other stuff didn't and I don't have to fight the horses to take it. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Over the years we have used a ton of different products on 2 bladders. We have the current mare scoped at least once a year to check that the current protocol is working. I have had 2 different vets recommend it for bladders and red several arrivals supporting it. As I said, it is expensive for me but if I had my choice I would use it instead of Lasix...but both work for us. We also feed DAD Race mineral and Animal Element Detox. But because of the fact that she has only bled out visibly 2 times, I hate changing what has worked. I say use what works for you, but if it stops worki g, try something else. It doesn't bother the current mare nor the previous bleeder we owned. They are/were both fast and seemed to clock about the same with, or without V, but since the last bleed a few years ago, she doesn't run on nothing...either V or Salix. |
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Location: Lala Land | Barnmom - 2017-05-06 9:12 PM
I really like RespiFree from OmegaAlpha, works best if you give it every day. My old gelding will suck it out of the syringe but he's weird, he loves Air Power and will lick it up if it gets spilled. I also like the respiratory formula from Forefront and it is pretty reasonable. My gelding with severe COPD did not respond to the CurOst formulas (which I love) but he does great on the Forefront stuff.
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