krape - 2017-05-04 2:26 PM

I love it!!      Keep hearing "what about the 24 million" that will lost coverage?  I say what about the 255 million that were forced to pay for the ones that didn't work or were forced to pay for coverage they couldn't use and did not apply to them.  What about the millions that were forced to pay for health care but could never afford to use it because they couldn't pay the deductable and the co pay.
They will work their way to improving this.
I love the idea of people "working" for what they get.  Amen 

hoofs_in_motion - 2017-05-04 12:08 PM

where is the link covering all the info in the new bill? 

FLITASTIC - 2017-05-04 2:34 PM my local news www.abc7.com

FLITASTIC - 2017-05-04 2:58 PM

This is a cut and paste from my local news... Courtesy of ABC7

The bill would eliminate tax penalties Obama's law which has clamped down on people who don't buy coverage and it erases tax increases in the Affordable Care Act on higher-earning people and the health industry.

It cuts the Medicaid program for low-income people and lets states impose work requirements on Medicaid recipients.

It transforms Obama's subsidies for millions buying insurance - largely based on people's incomes and premium costs - into tax credits that rise with consumers' ages.

It would retain Obama's requirement that family policies cover grown children until age 26.

But states could get federal waivers freeing insurers from other Obama coverage requirements.

With waivers, insurers could charge people with pre-existing illnesses far higher rates than healthy customers, boost prices for older consumers to whatever they wish and ignore the mandate that they cover specified services like pregnancy care.

The bill would block federal payments to Planned Parenthood for a year, considered a triumph by many anti-abortion Republicans.

ThreeCorners - 2017-05-04 3:50 PM  All I know is right now our health insurance monthly premium payment is way to high and our deductible for just my husband and I is $13000. We have to get run over by a tractor to use it. We end up paying for everything out of pocket except perscriptions and never get over our deductable. So in essence, we pay a big worthless monthly bill for absolutely nothing.

FLITASTIC - 2017-05-04 11:33 AM

Some of my favorite parts....

1. People receiving free medicaid medical services can now be forced to work ( Up to individual states) for their coverage.

2. Citizens will no longer be required to buy health care coverage.

I am sure much more will change when it gets to the senate but its a start..

ThreeCorners - 2017-05-04 3:50 PM  All I know is right now our health insurance monthly premium payment is way to high and our deductible for just my husband and I is $13000. We have to get run over by a tractor to use it. We end up paying for everything out of pocket except perscriptions and never get over our deductable. So in essence, we pay a big worthless monthly bill for absolutely nothing.

NJJ - 2017-05-04 6:19 PM

 I have to kind of laugh at the people who are rejoicing about this today.....IF they REALLY think that changing the Health Care Bill will lower THEIR premiums, I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I will sell them. The insurance companies have those premiums just where they want them and they sure as heck are NOT going to lower them. This has never been a health care bill problem but an insurance industry problem. Even covering pre-existing, maternity, etc insurance companies are making BILLIONS .....

SC Wrangler - 2017-05-05 12:26 PM We will see IF the bill passes the Senate and what changes occur there.  Only time will tell the long term effects.  



IMHO we will still be paying for those who can't or don't have insurance as they will not be denied treatment in the emergency rooms.  Providers will pass their losses to the paying customers.



Health care premiums have been escalating expotentially for the last 40 years (both before and after Obamacare) so I do not forsee that this bill will change that.



Until someone comes up with a way to get a handle on healthcare costs the healthcare consumer is going to contine to be screwed.  Certainly cost containment is not going to happen with congress and the senate in the pockers of the industry. 

Bear - 2017-05-06 11:46 AM Until and unless at least 75% of citizens are forced to realize they actually have skin in the game, we will have two choices: 1.) Single payer, or 2.) Continued unhindered skyrocketing insurance costs at an exponential rate. I can promise you, based upon personal experience, Americans will not be happy with single payer. The best way to guarantee the lowest possible cost while preserving quality is to unleash the power of free market capitalism. With a few rare exceptions in a few niches, we don't have anything remotely approaching a robust, competitive, free-market capitalist system in healthcare. I have not gone through the effort to really look hard at what congress just passed, simply because it will likely end up vastly different when, or even IF it is actually signed into law. Right now, I'm not at all excited, or even remotely optimistic. The effect of "firing up" the base, to my way of thinking, is no different than getting my mare to relax before a barrel race by scratching between her tits. I'm pretty sure the feckless CBO will not "score" this "ObamaCare - like" law much better than the last one. The biggest problem any reform proposals will have to hurdle is the fact that the government, through ObamaCare, has already fed the stray dog. Now, we are stuck with it. People are going to revolt if their freebies are taken away......even though the freebies are not free.

RidenFly - 2017-05-05 1:57 PM


  Scott, can you briefly explain how a single-payer system works? My other question is, as a physician, are you required to accept whatever law is enacted? Are you still free to walk away, choosing how to be paid and by whom?

jd&ez - 2017-05-05 4:26 PM

If we are going to have national health care in the United States it has to be single payer to be sustainable. Medicare is single payer. Just try to take Medicare away from people and see how much they hate single payer.

If someone is against single payer, fine. Then be against national health care. We do not have a healthcare problem in the United States. We have an insurance problem. When you get the insurance companies involved you ednd up with the mess of what's called Obamacare.

They should have learned that from privatizing Medicare with the MMA of 2003 that gave us the influx of the current Medicare Advantage system and the implimentation of Part D Rx coverage. It took until 2006 for the MMA of 2003 to be implemented. Here we are 11 years later and it costs taxpayers 15% more for Medicare Advantage than oriiginal Medicare. Medicare Advantage and Part D Rx coverage can only be bought from private carriers. They sold congress a bill of goods with the MMA that they could could do a better job of managing healthcare for Medicare eligibles than could the government. No they can't. Or, I should say, they won't.

Medicaid is awhole different story. And it's really Mediciad people that catch the ire of the taxpaying public. And in many cases rightfully so. People just tend to lump Medicare/Mediciad together. Even people on one or the other get it mixed up.

Almost everyday someone will tell me they are on Medicare when they are on Mediciad or vice versa. When I correct them they say, "same thing".  They are not the same thing. Now, some people are actually on both.

Medicare is federal. Medicaid is state. Income has nothing to do with Medicare eligible. Income has everything to do with Mediciad eliglbe. 

As for this repeal of Obamacare, it's all for show. With certainty the bill passed by the house will never get passed by the senate. Doubtful they pass anything at all. But whatever they do it will be unrecognizable to what the house did yesterday.  

rodeoveteran - 2017-05-07 10:54 AM


Many of us ARE against National healthcare. The government has NO business in my medical decisions and healthcare is not a "right". People need to take personal responsibility in their medical decisions and need to have "skin in the game" to make responsible ones.

All this noise about controlling the cost of healthcare, whether Obamacare or Trumpcare is just that, noise. They are addressing the cost of insurance alone and totally over looking the COST of healthcare. As long as insurance picks up the bulk of the cost, most people don't care what the actual cost is (something Bear pointed out). Why, if I pay for something out of pocket, does it cost me many times over what the same docs and hospitals will settle for from the insurance companies?? Because they have high paid lobbyists and the power of numbers on their side. We have no one. It is supposed to be the politicians on our side, but they as a group, have not been on our side in decades. There are many pieces to this puzzle and insurance is but one piece. I would much rather see them take their time and come up with a decent, workable solution rather than try to jamb something down our throats like the Dems did. I am beyond piffed at the GOP for not having come up with a workable solutions after all these years. It was easy to"fight', trying to get Obamacare repealed when they knew the POTUS would veto any such Bill. I will say it again. The Dems and GOP are two sides of the same coin. It's all a shell game.

Also Medicare ain't all that great. It is becoming increasingly difficult to find doctors who will accept Medicare because the renumeration to the Doc in very low. How good is an insurance if no one will accept it? Right now those that do accept it can do that because they make their money off the rest of us. If you take THAT away through a single payer system, where is the incentive to becoming a doctor in the first place?

Show me ONE government run system that is efficient, economical and not riddled with corruption...... they may start out with good intentions and management but they never stay that way. If we want a glimpse into Nationalized, one payer system take a peek at the VA.

DashNDustem - 2017-05-07 6:08 PM

I pray that this bill will not get passed through Senate.

For the ones that are so proud that this new health care plan is being passed, are you aware that on that bill it states that if you are RAPED or have been/are in an domestic violence relationship.. that they will be considered pre existing conditions and people can be denied health care for that? I think it is disgusting that anyone would ever put that on a bill and I pray the Senate will shut it down the second it comes through the doors.

This is America, we need to do better to take care of our own.

rodeomom3 - 2017-05-07 6:24 PM This is absolutely not true. While I am not a fan of this bill, that is bs to the max put out by the democrats. Article from NBC news: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/acha-pre-existing-conditions-rape-pregn... What the bill does is allow for higher rates for or existing conditions if YOU LET YOUR INSURANCE LAPSE. They don't charge higher rates from the get go.

NJJ - 2017-05-07 6:33 PM  The problem with that is ..... that only works with the company that insures you .....IF you should happen to want to change jobs (and insurance company), they are required to insure you but "may" be at a much higher rate. That being said, I don't know about the language about rape or domestic violence but I sure as heck wouldn't consider that a "pre-existing" condition.



I think everybody is putting the cart before the horse....MANY Republicans have come out and said that this bill will not pass in the Senate..... 

rodeomom3 - 2017-05-07 6:41 PM  Agree, but nowhere does it say rape or a car crash is a pre existing condition.   People need to educate themselves instead of taking the  scare tactic headlines at face value - for both sides of the aisle. There is plenty to not like without this BS thrown out there. 

Nevertooold - 2017-05-08 6:12 PM


That is a liberal speciality to make up lies and keep repeating them. They have done this for years and they are quite proud of the results. Some call it politics and I call it BS. May all that have done this burn in Hell. It's time all of our politicians start to worry about this country and it's people rather then their special interests and padding their own pockets.