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Location: Central Iowa | I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
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| ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 7:10 AM
I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
I would think you would just have a very specific contract like you would any other horse sale. Make sure you put in the contract she is being sold as broodmare only, stifle injury, and offer the buyer the right to have her vet checked. If they refuse then its all on them. BUYER pays for all soundness/vet checks period.
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Location: Central Iowa | Perfect! I didn't know what the norm was as far as does the seller pay for any and all exams requested by buyer or does the buyer pay for them! |
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| ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 7:27 AM
Perfect! I didn't know what the norm was as far as does the seller pay for any and all exams requested by buyer or does the buyer pay for them!
ALWAYS buyers responsibility! And make sure the contract states there are no cooling off periods, trials, etc. Once the buyer takes possession of the horse any and all care are the responsibility of the buyer. If the SELLER had to pay for exams ( Which are very expensive) then the buyer could lead you on and back out for no reason and leave you with a bill. One other thing.... if they do decide to get a vet check, make sure the potential buyer is willing to release vet records to you. If the vet they choose finds something wrong with the horse they do NOT have to tell you what it was. Its always good to know in case it was something you never knew was wrong with the horse.
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Location: Kansas | I think a breeding soundness exam should be done, that way the vet can ultimately state if she is sound to breed or not with/without complications. IMO....I think the buyer should pay for the exam if wanting to make sure she is "sound"......because obviously you've never had any issues with her foaling or checking in foal :) |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | She will need to be vet checked. I have bought two mares who were live covered and had no significant issues. One has bred most years AI with zilch issues. The other one, who we did have at least ultrasounded, ended up having a uterine infection (we did not do a culture on her, she had just had a foal). Vet said after she failed to take twice and they cultured her that her uterus was chock full of semen that had given her the infection.
In short we should have done a culture. We treated the infection last year and are breeding again this year. But as the buyer that responsibility rested on us. You could likely says she has been breeding sound live cover, but AI and frozen are difficult so if they are wanting to do that you suggest they get an ultrasound and uterine culture. The cost for these should rest on the buyer. |
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Location: Central Iowa | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-08 9:44 AM
ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 7:27 AM
Perfect! I didn't know what the norm was as far as does the seller pay for any and all exams requested by buyer or does the buyer pay for them!
ALWAYS buyers responsibility! And make sure the contract states there are no cooling off periods, trials, etc. Once the buyer takes possession of the horse any and all care are the responsibility of the buyer. If the SELLER had to pay for exams ( Which are very expensive ) then the buyer could lead you on and back out for no reason and leave you with a bill. One other thing.... if they do decide to get a vet check, make sure the potential buyer is willing to release vet records to you. If the vet they choose finds something wrong with the horse they do NOT have to tell you what it was. Its always good to know in case it was something you never knew was wrong with the horse.
Can you give me more detail on a "cooling off period / trials" not sure what you mean by that!
Thank you so much for your knowledge and information! |
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| ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 10:16 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-08 9:44 AM
ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 7:27 AM
Perfect! I didn't know what the norm was as far as does the seller pay for any and all exams requested by buyer or does the buyer pay for them!
ALWAYS buyers responsibility! And make sure the contract states there are no cooling off periods, trials, etc. Once the buyer takes possession of the horse any and all care are the responsibility of the buyer. If the SELLER had to pay for exams ( Which are very expensive ) then the buyer could lead you on and back out for no reason and leave you with a bill. One other thing.... if they do decide to get a vet check, make sure the potential buyer is willing to release vet records to you. If the vet they choose finds something wrong with the horse they do NOT have to tell you what it was. Its always good to know in case it was something you never knew was wrong with the horse.
Can you give me more detail on a "cooling off period / trials" not sure what you mean by that!
Thank you so much for your knowledge and information!
Ok, just basically don't let them take the horse for a while with the option to bring her back if it doesn't " Work out". etc. You see this more with horses sold for performance not breeding. But what if they buy her to try, they can't get her bred and she gets kicked and hurt, so they decide to back out and return the horse. Thats all. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | IMO the mare is already proven breeding sound. I've bought mares that were maiden or old and had no guarantee because it's impossible to say if me, my vet and the stallion I breed to is going to get the job done. All you can guarantee is the mare has had 4 babies in 4 years. That should be pretty obvious. The buyer can have the vet of their choice, check her out and make sure she doesn't have any old tears or damage to her cervix. They could have a biopsy done to get a grade on her uterus. But frankly the fact that she's had 4 babies in 4 years is a pretty good sign.
If they want to pay for all that, that should be their guarantee. I would sell the mare "as is". Because again, once they get her home, the ball is in their court. |
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Location: OH | OregonBR - 2017-05-08 2:57 PM IMO the mare is already proven breeding sound. I've bought mares that were maiden or old and had no guarantee because it's impossible to say if me, my vet and the stallion I breed to is going to get the job done. All you can guarantee is the mare has had 4 babies in 4 years. That should be pretty obvious. The buyer can have the vet of their choice, check her out and make sure she doesn't have any old tears or damage to her cervix. They could have a biopsy done to get a grade on her uterus. But frankly the fact that she's had 4 babies in 4 years is a pretty good sign. If they want to pay for all that, that should be their guarantee. I would sell the mare "as is". Because again, once they get her home, the ball is in their court.
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Location: Arkansas | ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 9:10 AM
I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
We are on the verge of breeding our mare to on own son of HLP---I've wanted one of his babies since my friends bought him (1999), but I've only ever had geldings!!! He is an awesome horse and his babies have been too. Hope all goes well for you, and if not, hope she adds more nice babies to your herd for you. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-08 11:30 PM
ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 9:10 AM
I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
We are on the verge of breeding our mare to on own son of HLP---I've wanted one of his babies since my friends bought him (1999 ), but I've only ever had geldings!!! He is an awesome horse and his babies have been too. Hope all goes well for you, and if not, hope she adds more nice babies to your herd for you.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | oija - 2017-05-09 7:16 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-08 11:30 PM
ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 9:10 AM
I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
We are on the verge of breeding our mare to on own son of HLP---I've wanted one of his babies since my friends bought him (1999 ), but I've only ever had geldings!!! He is an awesome horse and his babies have been too. Hope all goes well for you, and if not, hope she adds more nice babies to your herd for you.
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Location: Arkansas | oija - 2017-05-09 9:16 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-08 11:30 PM
ropinbuzz - 2017-05-08 9:10 AM
I have a 14 year old mare that is a NCHA$ earning daughter of Haidas Little Pep. She sustained a stifle injury and was put in the broodmare band. She is due to have her 4th foal. I have someone interested in her but they want me to guarantee her sound for breeding, requires no maintenance to breed and has no medical issues (Besides the stifle injury). She has been pasture bred to same stud for the last 3 years and has delivered a big healthy foal each year. They do not want her 2017 foal so I will foal her out, keep her until foal is weaned so she will be left open for 2018. I really wanted to keep the foal (By Perkster <3) so I did give them a hell of a deal on the price for just the mare. As the seller what steps would you take to guarantee her breeding sound I guess? What would you pay for and what would you expect the buyer to pay for?
We are on the verge of breeding our mare to on own son of HLP---I've wanted one of his babies since my friends bought him (1999 ), but I've only ever had geldings!!! He is an awesome horse and his babies have been too. Hope all goes well for you, and if not, hope she adds more nice babies to your herd for you.
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