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Location: Duvall, WA | We are getting a new (used) truck. We also may at some point get a 4H weekender LQ. Do we need to get a dually? The trailer people say no, the truck people say yes. The truck won't be driven every day, but of course a dually is still a bit of a pain for anything besides hauling. Plus more expensive plus harder to find used. But if we are going to buy something we sure as heck don't want to buy something then find it is not safe to haul a bigger trailer (we have a 3H bp now). Opinions? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would go with a dually for the safety and stability of pulling a bigger trailer and you have better stoping power when needed. |
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Location: Texas | You can still safely pull a 4H LQ trailer with a 3/4 ton pickup. Depends on how big of a trailer you go with. Also need to make sure you're using trailer brakes. |
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Location: Duvall, WA | It will be a one ton diesel. |
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| If you don't already own the trailer you want to have, then try and find a dually.
I bought my neighbors 3/4 ton before I bought my LQ trailer because I *thought* I knew what I'd be getting in a trailer. Ended up with one bigger than that and traded the truck off after owning it 9 months for a dually. Didn't lose much at all on the deal but in hindsight I would have gotten the dually in the first place. Especially with it being an 8' wide trailer, the extra stability is a big plus.
If you can find a dually in your price range you won't limit yourself as much on the future trailer purchase. |
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Location: WI | Avoid a dually. More expensive. More lights. More issues. I'll never get another one |
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Location: SW New Mexico | I got talked Into? buying my dually one ton..by my brother.
What a difference! I don't feel the wind, and feel safer in rainy weather.
Best decision, love the power, and stability!.
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| Been doing a lot of traveling lately (15-30 hr trips) and you'll never catch me without a dually. The amount of people with campers and trailers swinging like mad across the freeway is downright scary. The safety and stability it brings is totally worth the extra money when hauling. |
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Location: CTX | WiscoRacer - 2017-05-10 12:32 AM Been doing a lot of traveling lately (15-30 hr trips) and you'll never catch me without a dually. The amount of people with campers and trailers swinging like mad across the freeway is downright scary. The safety and stability it brings is totally worth the extra money when hauling.
^^^ This!
Can you pull such a trailer without a dually, of course. But just the stability makes such a big difference. I will not be pulling a trailer without again.
And once you get used to driving it around you won't have any problems parking or manouvering it. Yes you might have to park a little farther from the buildings, but other than that you will be fine. |
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Location: IL | Depends on the GVWR on the trailer. I pull a 3 horse 10 ft shortwall LQ featherlite trailer. I had a F350 SRW and I have no problems, not stopping or wind and rain. Look up what your truck can pull and pay attention to the GVWR on the trailer. Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones. Don't listen to the dealers, truck or trailer. They just want to make a sale. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:03 PM Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones.
this is incorrect
by wieght Alum will approx. 10% lighter |
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Location: OH | 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 12:27 PM merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:03 PM Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones. this is incorrect
by wieght Alum will approx. 10% lighter
This is true---aluminum trailers are not a lot lighter, they just last a lot longer. |
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Location: IL | 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 11:27 AM merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:03 PM Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones. this is incorrect
by wieght Alum will approx. 10% lighter
Well I guess still lighter and from what I've seen they are way lighter. A 16,000 lb steel trailer would mean a 2,000 lb difference in an aluminum trailer. |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Depends on the weight of what youre buying.
We pulled a super heavy logan 4H weekender with a single wheel no problem. We did end up upgrading to a dually and love the added stability. It was also nice to not have to worry when we upgraded the trailer (although our new one is lighter). But we did not have any issues pulling it with the single wheel. |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 9:27 AM
merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:03 PM Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones.
this is incorrect
by wieght Alum will approx. 10% lighter
Aluminum won't rust either
Just FYI, Dodge Ram 3500 Dually with Aisin transmission has the highest towing payload on the market ( With 410 gears) at 33,000 pounds |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-10 1:01 PM 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 9:27 AM merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:03 PM Aluminum trailers are way lighter, so I'd steer clear of steel ones. this is incorrect
by wieght Alum will approx. 10% lighter Aluminum won't rust either Just FYI, Dodge Ram 3500 Dually with Aisin transmission has the highest towing payload on the market ( With 410 gears ) at 33,000 pounds
technically it will,,,,,,but is much more corrosion resistant than steel.
There are a plethora of reasons to choose aluminum, but weight is way down the list. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | cranky B4 10am - 2017-05-10 6:49 AM
WiscoRacer - 2017-05-10 12:32 AM Been doing a lot of traveling lately (15-30 hr trips) and you'll never catch me without a dually. The amount of people with campers and trailers swinging like mad across the freeway is downright scary. The safety and stability it brings is totally worth the extra money when hauling.
^^^ This!
Can you pull such a trailer without a dually, of course. But just the stability makes such a big difference. I will not be pulling a trailer without again.
And once you get used to driving it around you won't have any problems parking or manouvering it. Yes you might have to park a little farther from the buildings, but other than that you will be fine.
I am with these two. I hauled a 3 horse gooseneck with a 3/4 ton diesel. Lots of power and no problem pulling and stopping, however, our next truck was a dually. From day one, I felt much safer pulling with a dually. So much more stability. Personally, I would never consider pulling a 4 horse with LQ, with anything less than a dually. Especially if you are going to use the truck primarily for hauling because if you invest the money now and maintain the truck properly you will have it for years. Mine is a 1994 and I still haul with it, well worth the investment and we didn't buy it new. |
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| Do you NEED a dually? Probably not. . .but I sure like having ours. We have a 3H LQ with 11ft LQ that we are pulling with a dually right now. I love the way it hauls and pulls, but we purchased the dually because we knew in the next year or two we will be upgrading to a 4 or 5 horse trailer with LQ. |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | We have pulled our 3H Bloomer/14' SW LQ with a single for 15 years. A Dodge 3/4 ton pulled it just fine, but going to a Chevy Duramax 1-ton made a world of difference in pulling power. We used to have duallys and I have noticed no difference in the stability and we have extreme wind conditions around here. If i were to go to a 4H and added a slide out I would then probably want to go to the dually as it spreads the weight on the 4 tires so would not have to replace them as often. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Nobody - 2017-05-10 12:28 PM We have pulled our 3H Bloomer/14' SW LQ with a single for 15 years. A Dodge 3/4 ton pulled it just fine, but going to a Chevy Duramax 1-ton made a world of difference in pulling power. We used to have duallys and I have noticed no difference in the stability and we have extreme wind conditions around here. If i were to go to a 4H and added a slide out I would then probably want to go to the dually as it spreads the weight on the 4 tires so would not have to replace them as often.
I have a 3 horse with 14' shortwall, and when I bought the trailer I went to the truck scales and weighed it. The pin weight was too high for a SRW truck, whether 3/4 or 1 ton. Not just springs, an air bag assist could have helped with that, but also too high for the tires. The weight of the entire rig was 19,000 pounds before gear and horses. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | WiscoRacer - 2017-05-10 12:32 AM Been doing a lot of traveling lately (15-30 hr trips) and you'll never catch me without a dually. The amount of people with campers and trailers swinging like mad across the freeway is downright scary. The safety and stability it brings is totally worth the extra money when hauling.
Campers are balanced with more weight on the axles so the pin weight is lighter and they can be towed with a smaller truck. This balance point also makes them pull like crap. My parents have a dually for their bigass camper and that thing will still start weaving if you get over 65 mph. My horse trailer has a much heavier pin weight because the axles are further back and it pulls awesomely solid no matter how fast you go. |
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Location: IL | Three 4 Luck - 2017-05-10 12:39 PM Nobody - 2017-05-10 12:28 PM We have pulled our 3H Bloomer/14' SW LQ with a single for 15 years. A Dodge 3/4 ton pulled it just fine, but going to a Chevy Duramax 1-ton made a world of difference in pulling power. We used to have duallys and I have noticed no difference in the stability and we have extreme wind conditions around here. If i were to go to a 4H and added a slide out I would then probably want to go to the dually as it spreads the weight on the 4 tires so would not have to replace them as often. I have a 3 horse with 14' shortwall, and when I bought the trailer I went to the truck scales and weighed it. The pin weight was too high for a SRW truck, whether 3/4 or 1 ton. Not just springs, an air bag assist could have helped with that, but also too high for the tires. The weight of the entire rig was 19,000 pounds before gear and horses.
Holy cow, what kind of horse trailer is this? That's a heavy trailer empty. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:56 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-05-10 12:39 PM Nobody - 2017-05-10 12:28 PM We have pulled our 3H Bloomer/14' SW LQ with a single for 15 years. A Dodge 3/4 ton pulled it just fine, but going to a Chevy Duramax 1-ton made a world of difference in pulling power. We used to have duallys and I have noticed no difference in the stability and we have extreme wind conditions around here. If i were to go to a 4H and added a slide out I would then probably want to go to the dually as it spreads the weight on the 4 tires so would not have to replace them as often. I have a 3 horse with 14' shortwall, and when I bought the trailer I went to the truck scales and weighed it. The pin weight was too high for a SRW truck, whether 3/4 or 1 ton. Not just springs, an air bag assist could have helped with that, but also too high for the tires. The weight of the entire rig was 19,000 pounds before gear and horses.
It's a Cimarron. The trailer was about 11,000 pounds, truck was about 8,000. That is a typical weight for a well built trailer of that size. I think for LQ you figure about 500 pounds per foot of shortwall unless it lacks plumbing. My 6' shortwall trailer was 7500 empty. |
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Location: IL | Three 4 Luck - 2017-05-10 1:27 PM merdth6 - 2017-05-10 12:56 PM Three 4 Luck - 2017-05-10 12:39 PM Nobody - 2017-05-10 12:28 PM We have pulled our 3H Bloomer/14' SW LQ with a single for 15 years. A Dodge 3/4 ton pulled it just fine, but going to a Chevy Duramax 1-ton made a world of difference in pulling power. We used to have duallys and I have noticed no difference in the stability and we have extreme wind conditions around here. If i were to go to a 4H and added a slide out I would then probably want to go to the dually as it spreads the weight on the 4 tires so would not have to replace them as often. I have a 3 horse with 14' shortwall, and when I bought the trailer I went to the truck scales and weighed it. The pin weight was too high for a SRW truck, whether 3/4 or 1 ton. Not just springs, an air bag assist could have helped with that, but also too high for the tires. The weight of the entire rig was 19,000 pounds before gear and horses.
Oh I didn't realize you had the truck figured in. My 6' short wall 3 horse featherlite w/ no LQ was around 5,000 lbs empty. It weighed as much as my 3 horse WW steel bumper pull trailer empty! LOL |
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Location: The edge of no where | After towing with both - I'll always prefer the stability of a dually. It's not that you can't pull without it, but once you feel the difference - I won't go back by choice. |
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Location: Deep South | MS2011 - 2017-05-10 1:41 PM
After towing with both - I'll always prefer the stability of a dually. It's not that you can't pull without it, but once you feel the difference - I won't go back by choice.
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Location: Windoming | I had a blowout on the front of my dually while pulling a 3 horse LQ. I am convinced the only reason I kept it on the road was because I had a dually. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | In a pinch you could very much regret being "under-trucked". You will NEVER regret being over-trucked. Remember it is the safety and well being of you, your human and equine hauling partners that are in question. |
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Location: NC | While i dont have as big as a trailer, i new when i was looking for diesels a few years ago that i would eventually be getting something bigger trailer wise. Very glad i went with a dually. Its my daily driver so parking took a bit, but its steady and like others have said i feel safer in it, in yuck weather. I have pulled my 4 horse trailer loaded with 2 horses and half a house 500+ miles and it was steady as a rock.
Edited to add. I had to rush my young horse to state hosp one night. New i had a low dual tire but in the rush of things totally forgot. Made the 100 mile trip, back and forth (he was rolling and laying down in trailer on way there) Next day i decided to take care of tires. Went to a friend whos my diesel mechanic and he checked my tires. The one side the tires were rubbing each other. The inner tire was completely flat and outter tire had 20lbs of pressure in it. If it hadnt been a dually i would have been screwed.
Edited by Racer4eva 2017-05-10 8:23 PM
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | NipntuckLR - 2017-05-09 10:10 PM It will be a one ton diesel.
IMO, if you already plan on getting a 1 ton, you might as well go with the dually. It's well worth the extra cash when you compare the two on stability. I had a 3/4 ton and then got a 1 ton dually. The difference of stability was the most shocking. Both trucks could handle the weight, but I would never want to go back to not having a dually. |
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| NipntuckLR - 2017-05-09 5:59 PM We are getting a new (used) truck. We also may at some point get a 4H weekender LQ. Do we need to get a dually? The trailer people say no, the truck people say yes. The truck won't be driven every day, but of course a dually is still a bit of a pain for anything besides hauling. Plus more expensive plus harder to find used. But if we are going to buy something we sure as heck don't want to buy something then find it is not safe to haul a bigger trailer (we have a 3H bp now). Opinions?
To NipntuckLR
If you're looking for a well maintained used dually - my friend (who is also in WA state) just posted her 2012 Dodge. It is black with 118k, $34k. Inbox me and I'll give you her contact info. |
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Location: Where the pavement ends and the West begins Utah | Understand that trailer is no longer empty.it is hauling breathing MOVING LIVE stock. I have passed so many under powered unstable vehicles pulling boats,haulers,and horses.I drive a dually. I've driven short beds long beds,1/2 ton,3/4, 1ton.these have been long distance.I pulled a house trailer with a 1ton that had more sway than a ship on an ocean. Pulled a 2 horse with a short 1/2 with sway and had to do 80 down hill to gain enough momentum to go up hill before I needed to shift down. Now when I see a trailer in front of me and I see sway I keep my distance until I see I can pass without them taking me out.if your idea of traveling is doing 45mph any vehicle will suffice.Good big or stay home. Oh you can fit 2 round bales on a dually long bed. |
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Location: Willows, CA | My daughters had a 4Star dealership in CA. We would always recommend a dually for a trailer of the size you are talking about. You will likely use it in the mountains at some time, and the stability does make a real difference there. If you live in the mid west and always pull on the flat, a SRW may do the job. But, there is a real difference. |
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Location: Duvall, WA | Thank you all for your advice, hubby has found a dually he likes and looks like he will get it in the next few days. I will enjoy hauling with it, for sure. Now, anyone have a nice used 4H LQ? :) |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | NipntuckLR - 2017-05-12 3:43 PM Thank you all for your advice, hubby has found a dually he likes and looks like he will get it in the next few days. I will enjoy hauling with it, for sure. Now, anyone have a nice used 4H LQ? :)
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | NipntuckLR - 2017-05-12 4:43 PM Thank you all for your advice, hubby has found a dually he likes and looks like he will get it in the next few days. I will enjoy hauling with it, for sure. Now, anyone have a nice used 4H LQ? :)
I have one I would sell
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Location: Duvall, WA | I tried to send you a PM, not sure if it went through. . .
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Location: Duvall, WA | I tried to send you a PM, not sure if it went through. . .
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Location: CTX | omg, little off topic, sort off...earlier we saw a 3H gooseneck with a 6' SW with 2 horses on it, being pulled by a F150.... I felt sooo bad for the truck, and holy moly... what if they get in a pickle....... crazy people....
I know I am on the cautious side, but like someone else mentioned, I'd rather have too much truck just in case!!!
Did you end up getting the dually your husband was looking at?? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Beefpeachcayenne - 2017-05-13 3:20 PM I do have a 2016 ram 4x4 dually with 95k miles on it I'm selling . Gooseneck hitch already on. It's listed at 36k but I am open to offers. Message me if you are interested :)
You need to buy a ad to be selling your truck, its against the rules to be selling on a thread. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Beefpeachcayenne - 2017-05-13 4:20 PM I do have a 2016 ram 4x4 dually with 95k miles on it I'm selling . Gooseneck hitch already on. It's listed at 36k but I am open to offers. Message me if you are interested :)
Nobody wants your old janky hot shot rig
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Location: Duvall, WA | Yes, he ended up buying a 2015 Chevy Sierra with about 40,000 miles on it yesterday. It's gorgeous! So excited about it, but very glad we looked at lots of them and got lots of information. Now I need to sell one of my mares so we can get an LQ. . . Thanks for everyone's help. :) |
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| NipntuckLR - 2017-05-14 1:15 PM
Yes, he ended up buying a 2015 Chevy Sierra with about 40,000 miles on it yesterday. It's gorgeous! So excited about it, but very glad we looked at lots of them and got lots of information. Now I need to sell one of my mares so we can get an LQ. . . Thanks for everyone's help. :)
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Dually necessary?