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Location: Southeast, Texas | What is the estimated cost to stand your stallion to the public? What fees need to be taken into consideration? Do you live cover or AI? Both? Do you stand him from home and haul him in to be collected or does he spend breeding season at a facility? What do you wish you had known prior to this adventure?
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Location: OH | All the expenses, I don't even want to think about but the best advice I can give someone is to have a good group of your own broodmares to breed your stallion to. You can tell people how great your stud is till you are blue in the face, but till you have some of their get out there winning it is a hard sell. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Before I sold Duncan I offered him via live cover. I actually did pasture breeding. I charged $7 a day for mare care and mare owners provided their own grain and I separated their horse out for feeding. I offered round bales. Most mares stayed 2-4 weeks. It worked for me, but was a pain in the ass and I'm glad it's over. |
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| If you are using a breeding facility for collections, make sure they know what the heck they are doing. I booked three breedings to a stallion and the vet is clueless. Apparently the horse is sterile and they are passing the blame off on me ( vet and mare) I will have to cut my losses and pay stud fees to another stallion if I want my mares bred. If you want your babies out there you have to work with the mare owners. You might talk with larger breeders and see what their procedures are. I have done that and have learned a lot. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | streakysox - 2017-05-10 3:28 PM If you are using a breeding facility for collections, make sure they know what the heck they are doing. I booked three breedings to a stallion and the vet is clueless. Apparently the horse is sterile and they are passing the blame off on me ( vet and mare) I will have to cut my losses and pay stud fees to another stallion if I want my mares bred. If you want your babies out there you have to work with the mare owners. You might talk with larger breeders and see what their procedures are. I have done that and have learned a lot.
you should just do what Jack did.
Grab you some babies from the sale barn and register them with the parentage you want on there. |
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1D Lawn Mower
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Location: Southeast, Texas | 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 2:34 PM
streakysox - 2017-05-10 3:28 PM If you are using a breeding facility for collections, make sure they know what the heck they are doing. I booked three breedings to a stallion and the vet is clueless. Apparently the horse is sterile and they are passing the blame off on me ( vet and mare) I will have to cut my losses and pay stud fees to another stallion if I want my mares bred. If you want your babies out there you have to work with the mare owners. You might talk with larger breeders and see what their procedures are. I have done that and have learned a lot.
you should just do what Jack did.
Grab you some babies from the sale barn and register them with the parentage you want on there.
I think I missed a juicy discussion!!! What in the world?! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-10 12:06 PM
All the expenses, I don't even want to think about but the best advice I can give someone is to have a good group of your own broodmares to breed your stallion to. You can tell people how great your stud is till you are blue in the face, but till you have some of their get out there winning it is a hard sell.
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Location: Michigan | The most important thing I learned in our stallion journey (18 years as he's 21 this year) is it takes A LOT OF MONEY to promote him. Full page ads, future fortunes, AQHA incentive fund, website, every association seems to have their own incentive program you can get in. You can go broke just putting him in incentive programs. The babies need to get into the "right" hands to help with promotion.
We do our own collection so the costs with that is minimal per collection. BUT you still need the phantom (we built our own), extender, AV & supplies, microscope, incubator, syringes, Quick Check for concentration or something to check the concentration (if you don't have something to check concentration don't bother to ship to a paying customer), shipping boxes or equitainers, a good contract.
Don't forget the cost to train your stallion on a phantom too. What extender does he ship best with? What temperature & pressure does he like the AV? How much lube do you use? All these things come into play when dealing with collection.
We are currently breeding a mare out of our stallion to a stallion that gets hauled to a vet facility for collection. Cost for collection - $325. Since we collect our own stallion, we charge $50 for additional collections. Gives you an idea on the price difference.
Collecting a stallion is not for the faint of heart either. Ours is easy to handle & good on the phantom. I'm usually on the AV. I can't imagine what a bad stallion would be like.
It doesn't hurt to have lots of free time in case you have problems with a collection. Ocassionally ours won't finish on the first attempt. You need to plan for those types of incidents because you are working with shipping deadlines.
It's not a bed of roses being a hands on stallion owner, but we sure forget about all those troubles when the babies are running well and winning. That's what makes every bit of the hassle worth it.
Good luck in your venture.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | streakysox - 2017-05-10 4:37 PM 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 2:34 PM streakysox - 2017-05-10 3:28 PM If you are using a breeding facility for collections, make sure they know what the heck they are doing. I booked three breedings to a stallion and the vet is clueless. Apparently the horse is sterile and they are passing the blame off on me ( vet and mare) I will have to cut my losses and pay stud fees to another stallion if I want my mares bred. If you want your babies out there you have to work with the mare owners. You might talk with larger breeders and see what their procedures are. I have done that and have learned a lot. you should just do what Jack did.
Grab you some babies from the sale barn and register them with the parentage you want on there. When AQHA is saying the DNA is from a certain stallion and said owner of the stallion says the mare was not bred and Jack owed them nothing. Sounds to me that the breeding facitlity may not have a clue what is going on at their facility either. It is really hard to make DNA match a stallion if it came from anywhere other than that stallion. By the way, the filly is registered with AQHA and Lions Share of Fame is the father. DNA does not lie. How did you do at the Reunion? I really wondered if you were playing stupid or actually were. Maybe a little biology refresher course is in order. University of Southern New Hampshire does have correspondence courses available--I see them advertise on TV all the time. Actually, glad you brought that up. A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MISMANAGEMENT
I'm not sure if you really believe that version of reality or just attempting to help him save face but that's no where near what really happened.
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Location: Somewhere in the USA | Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house.
Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways |
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:24 PM
riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways
Y'all know me and I know nothing----who is Jack?? |
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1D Lawn Mower
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Location: Southeast, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-10 11:27 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:24 PM
riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways
Y'all know me and I know nothing----who is Jack??
Welcome to my world. Lol. I'm still just here for stallion ownership information! [= |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Just like with anything to do with horses, it can be addictive. But you need to be stubborn, optimistic, believe in your program but not to the point of being an idiot and not be afraid of being broke all the time. A very common misconception by non-stallion owners is that stallion owners have money. If they ever did, they don't now. lol Just my assessment on a typical spring Thursday morning.
The REALLY bad part is the heartbreak of losing mares, babies and stallions due to the fragility of horses in general. Yet people still want to do this. SMH |
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Location: OH | OregonBR - 2017-05-11 1:20 PM Just like with anything to do with horses, it can be addictive. But you need to be stubborn, optimistic, believe in your program but not to the point of being an idiot and not be afraid of being broke all the time. A very common misconception by non-stallion owners is that stallion owners have money. If they ever did, they don't now. lol Just my assessment on a typical spring Thursday morning. The REALLY bad part is the heartbreak of losing mares, babies and stallions due to the fragility of horses in general. Yet people still want to do this. SMH
I always tell people that as much as we have spent I would be tickled just to get back to the line of scrimmage. I LOVE IT THOUGH----nothing in the world like the excitement and anticipation of foaling season. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | OregonBR - 2017-05-11 12:20 PM
Just like with anything to do with horses, it can be addictive. But you need to be stubborn, optimistic, believe in your program but not to the point of being an idiot and not be afraid of being broke all the time. A very common misconception by non-stallion owners is that stallion owners have money. If they ever did, they don't now. lol Just my assessment on a typical spring Thursday morning.
The REALLY bad part is the heartbreak of losing mares, babies and stallions due to the fragility of horses in general. Yet people still want to do this. SMH
I think this is really good advice.
We always talk about how much more money we would have if we weren't constantly throwing it at our horses. Then we stop and say but what would we do if they weren't there. We can't even imagine our lives without them. They are such an integral part of our world and yes our family. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-11 12:26 PM OregonBR - 2017-05-11 1:20 PM Just like with anything to do with horses, it can be addictive. But you need to be stubborn, optimistic, believe in your program but not to the point of being an idiot and not be afraid of being broke all the time. A very common misconception by non-stallion owners is that stallion owners have money. If they ever did, they don't now. lol Just my assessment on a typical spring Thursday morning. The REALLY bad part is the heartbreak of losing mares, babies and stallions due to the fragility of horses in general. Yet people still want to do this. SMH I always tell people that as much as we have spent I would be tickled just to get back to the line of scrimmage. I LOVE IT THOUGH----nothing in the world like the excitement and anticipation of foaling season.
You have a good reason to be excited about foaling season, you have awesome babys to look forward to and love seeing them when you post pictures   |
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Thanks So Much----been a LONG process, but we are getting there. |
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| This is probably the worst time of year to ask stallion owners this questions. There are alot of things that cause stress that far outweigh any money you might make. I agree with the above posters on the fact that you must absolutly love it, I reccomend figuring that out before you start, because once you are in it is tough to get out. By that I mean most incentives are a at least a 3 year commitment. Breeding contracts are too often a 2 year commitment. Seeing results is probably a 10 year commitment. It's fun, rewarding, stressful, expensive, and time consuming. Definetly not for everybody.
To more specifically answer your question, most stallion stations cost about $500-$800/mo in board, which is great if you have at least 20 paid contracts. I don't send mine to a SS because I actually use my horse on a regular basis. I think most could do decent with a $10,000 advertising budget but the Myers claim that is the minimum. I stand my own stallion and my vet comes to my place to collect, so I have the phantom, but he has all the other equipment.
I've heard horror stories of people trying to do the shipments by themselves, after all all you need is a horse and an AV, right? Then the shipment shows up with all the gel and gunk, and the semen is all dead. Learn how to do it right or have someone else do it.
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Location: Arkansas | ABroussard - 2017-05-11 6:24 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-10 11:27 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:24 PM
riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways
Y'all know me and I know nothing----who is Jack??
Welcome to my world. Lol. I'm still just here for stallion ownership information! [=
Yeah I kinda wondered how your thread got off on the subject of "Jack"!!!! |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-11 11:16 PM
ABroussard - 2017-05-11 6:24 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-10 11:27 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:24 PM
riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!!
Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways
Y'all know me and I know nothing----who is Jack??
Welcome to my world. Lol. I'm still just here for stallion ownership information! [=
Yeah I kinda wondered how your thread got off on the subject of "Jack"!!!!
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | streakysox - 2017-05-12 9:09 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-11 11:16 PM ABroussard - 2017-05-11 6:24 AM Chandler's Mom - 2017-05-10 11:27 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-10 7:24 PM riding2many - 2017-05-10 7:08 PM Actually the filly is NOT registered with AQHA. Jack does owe me for a stud fee and yes they were bred to LSOF at my farm. He paid the vet bills where it clearly states they were bred to LSOF. He tried to register the foals by a yearling stud that he had at his house. Carry on ..... if I knew how to put pics on here I could attach the pics of the vet bills that he paid!! Sounds like the truth is hitting this thread about Jack and his ways Y'all know me and I know nothing----who is Jack?? Welcome to my world. Lol. I'm still just here for stallion ownership information! [= Yeah I kinda wondered how your thread got off on the subject of "Jack"!!!! TYPICAL 1D SOON.
That's it?
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Location: Carpenter, WY | When we got Slim it was to primarily breed to our own mares. At that time we had a dozen or so and it was cheaper to get them in foal using our own stud rather than pay stud fees, collection, chute fees and shipping from outside studs. You can pay a small fortune in incentives and advertising and not being rich we enrolled him in kind of local or adjoing states. If you breed to outside mares, I got a copy of their papers along with the breeding contract so come time to file the breeding report the info was all there. Knowing our own mares, we live covered them. I think I remember CSU charging 125 for collection and 75 shipping to outside mares. Oh, an be prepared to deal with people LOL You've really got to do it because you love it. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | teehaha - 2017-05-13 9:04 AM
When we got Slim it was to primarily breed to our own mares. At that time we had a dozen or so and it was cheaper to get them in foal using our own stud rather than pay stud fees, collection, chute fees and shipping from outside studs. You can pay a small fortune in incentives and advertising and not being rich we enrolled him in kind of local or adjoing states. If you breed to outside mares, I got a copy of their papers along with the breeding contract so come time to file the breeding report the info was all there. Knowing our own mares, we live covered them. I think I remember CSU charging 125 for collection and 75 shipping to outside mares. Oh, an be prepared to deal with people LOL You've really got to do it because you love it.
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Location: Carpenter, WY | oija - 2017-05-13 8:09 AM
teehaha - 2017-05-13 9:04 AM
When we got Slim it was to primarily breed to our own mares. At that time we had a dozen or so and it was cheaper to get them in foal using our own stud rather than pay stud fees, collection, chute fees and shipping from outside studs. You can pay a small fortune in incentives and advertising and not being rich we enrolled him in kind of local or adjoing states. If you breed to outside mares, I got a copy of their papers along with the breeding contract so come time to file the breeding report the info was all there. Knowing our own mares, we live covered them. I think I remember CSU charging 125 for collection and 75 shipping to outside mares. Oh, an be prepared to deal with people LOL You've really got to do it because you love it.
Do you think it helped you save a lot of money on your own mares?
most definitely :) Plus the stud was on site when the mares came in and we didn't have to worry about Federal Express LOL |
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| 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 6:43 PM streakysox - 2017-05-10 4:37 PM 1DSoon - 2017-05-10 2:34 PM streakysox - 2017-05-10 3:28 PM If you are using a breeding facility for collections, make sure they know what the heck they are doing. I booked three breedings to a stallion and the vet is clueless. Apparently the horse is sterile and they are passing the blame off on me ( vet and mare) I will have to cut my losses and pay stud fees to another stallion if I want my mares bred. If you want your babies out there you have to work with the mare owners. You might talk with larger breeders and see what their procedures are. I have done that and have learned a lot. you should just do what Jack did.
Grab you some babies from the sale barn and register them with the parentage you want on there. When AQHA is saying the DNA is from a certain stallion and said owner of the stallion says the mare was not bred and Jack owed them nothing. Sounds to me that the breeding facitlity may not have a clue what is going on at their facility either. It is really hard to make DNA match a stallion if it came from anywhere other than that stallion. By the way, the filly is registered with AQHA and Lions Share of Fame is the father. DNA does not lie. How did you do at the Reunion? I really wondered if you were playing stupid or actually were. Maybe a little biology refresher course is in order. University of Southern New Hampshire does have correspondence courses available--I see them advertise on TV all the time. Actually, glad you brought that up. A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MISMANAGEMENT
No kidding. Still wondering why he would breed to a horse produced by ET since they are inferior. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Still wondering who Jack is and what the story is there. lol |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | I bet someone will pm you and explain. They did me, enough that I got the main idea of who he is and a little of the background. . .
That was to ThreeCorners. . .
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Stallion owners!!