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Location: NeverLand | I want to hear the good the bad and the ugly about Omolene 400 for a hard keeper that is in full time training. Teeth have been done, vet check wormed and cant seem to keep weight on him. So I have had a few people recommend Omolene 400. Thanks!! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 10:44 AM
I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ?
ALL OMELENE feeds are extremely high NSC. The worst is the 200 at 40%  |
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Location: NeverLand | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 12:44 PM
I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ?
I need to do more research on it, but I am worried its going to be too high.. |
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Location: NeverLand | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 12:53 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 10:44 AM
I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ?
ALL OMELENE feeds are extremely high NSC. The worst is the 200 at 40%
So probably not the best feed for a hard keeper? right now he is geting rice bran and calf mana. But its just not cutting it. So they recommended the Omolene 400 because it has the amplify and apparently really helps up the weight on while they are in hard work.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 12:53 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 10:44 AM I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ? ALL OMELENE feeds are extremely high NSC. The worst is the 200 at 40%
When I used it many many years ago my horses were higher then a kite. And then I discovered a pelleted feed from another company and never looked back.  |
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Location: MN | It definitely would not be my first choice if I was trying to add weight on a horse. It says you should be feeding 17.25lbs A DAY (WOWZERS ) for a 1,000lb horse in heavy work. If you HAVE to feed this, I definitely would not be feeding that much but adding rice bran and alfalfa to the diet and give access to hay 24/7. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 12:54 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 12:44 PM I see that its a textured feed I wonder what the starch and sugar % is or the NSC % ? I need to do more research on it, but I am worried its going to be too high..
Yep, I would look into a different feed, have you ever looked into the Bluebonnet feeds, they have a wonderful web site that you can go to and you can see what the % is of the feed that you might like to try. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I don't like it either. Consider adding Forco, all of mine are on half ration since I added Forco. They were getting too fat, including the dog. |
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| Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!  |
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Location: NeverLand | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM
Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!
Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 2:20 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through! Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss
How old is this horse? |
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| I just added Forco to my hard keeper's diet and the change has been insane. I had been feeding him 6 lbs of Ultium Growth + 10 lbs of alfalfa pellets (on top of free choice hay) for over a month with very minimal weight gain. Once I added Forco he started gaining like crazy! |
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Location: NeverLand | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-11 2:33 PM
FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 2:20 PM FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through! Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss
8 year old Friesian TB cross. FEI dressage horse. (I know this is a barrel horse page, I do have barrel horses im just asking on here because it a huge group of knowledgeable horse people) :) |
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| FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 2:20 PM
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Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!
Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss
Read up on hindgut ulcers and leaky gut, it may or may not be his problem. Or, riding one can cause ulcers as I am sure you know, but sometimes I need a reminder about things. If he is in heavy training he may need something to coat his stomach during his workouts or maybe feed him some alfalfa hay/pellets before his workouts.
These are just some random thoughts I had. |
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Location: NeverLand | GLP - 2017-05-11 2:55 PM
FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 2:20 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM
Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!
Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss
Read up on hindgut ulcers and leaky gut, it may or may not be his problem. Or, riding one can cause ulcers as I am sure you know, but sometimes I need a reminder about things. If he is in heavy training he may need something to coat his stomach during his workouts or maybe feed him some alfalfa hay/pellets before his workouts.
These are just some random thoughts I had.
Thanks! I will look into that, I am open to all suggestions! I really appreciate everyone's input! |
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| FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 3:03 PM
GLP - 2017-05-11 2:55 PM
FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-11 2:20 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM
Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!
Just had the vet out last week to check his teeth and they were fine. He is on a regular de-worming schedule and he has always had aloe Vera juice as a preventive for ulcers. That's why I am at a loss
Read up on hindgut ulcers and leaky gut, it may or may not be his problem. Or, riding one can cause ulcers as I am sure you know, but sometimes I need a reminder about things. If he is in heavy training he may need something to coat his stomach during his workouts or maybe feed him some alfalfa hay/pellets before his workouts.
These are just some random thoughts I had.
Thanks! I will look into that, I am open to all suggestions! I really appreciate everyone's input!
keep us updated. I have learned a lot from people updating us on their horses. |
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| I prefer Ultium, still has amplify, lower NSC. Have my good horse and my backup who is a harder keeper on it as well as Platinum and they look great! |
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| I bought one that came to me pretty under weight, I was told he was a hard keeper. He was on some junk pellet. I changed him to bluebonnet oats, renew gold and alfalfa and I have lots of good grazing. People who knew him before I bought him don't even recognize him, he has filled out and put on muscle. |
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Location: Willows, CA | FLITASTIC - 2017-05-11 1:30 PM
Something else to consider is WHY the horse is not gaining weight. Worms, teeth, ulcers, etc can all keep a horse from gaining even when they are being fed enough feed. The most over looked is teeth. Horses can sit there and eat and poop all day but if their teeth are not as they should, they can't chew the feed and extract the ingredients from it as well, so it just goes right on through!
This^^^^^^^^^^^
So true. Most often missed piece of the diet. I know the vet was out. If he did not put a speculum in and drugged him to see the inside of the bottoms for hooks, there may still be a problem there.
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Location: NeverLand | We may of found the problem! As I stated earlier in the post that my vet checked his teeth. But a neighbor of mine was having the Equine Dentist come out so I figured I would have him check his teeth as well, just for a 2nd opinion. And sure enough the were terrible! he had really sharp points and some crazy hooks in there! :( I was able to put my hand in his mouth and feel around and it was the craziest thing ever! so for those of you that wanted an update, he got his teeth done yesterday! so now lets see if his weight will improve  |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-14 10:02 AM We may of found the problem! As I stated earlier in the post that my vet checked his teeth. But a neighbor of mine was having the Equine Dentist come out so I figured I would have him check his teeth as well, just for a 2nd opinion. And sure enough the were terrible! he had really sharp points and some crazy hooks in there! : ( I was able to put my hand in his mouth and feel around and it was the craziest thing ever! so for those of you that wanted an update, he got his teeth done yesterday! so now lets see if his weight will improve
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Location: NeverLand | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-14 10:10 AM
FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-14 10:02 AM We may of found the problem! As I stated earlier in the post that my vet checked his teeth. But a neighbor of mine was having the Equine Dentist come out so I figured I would have him check his teeth as well, just for a 2nd opinion. And sure enough the were terrible! he had really sharp points and some crazy hooks in there! : ( I was able to put my hand in his mouth and feel around and it was the craziest thing ever! so for those of you that wanted an update, he got his teeth done yesterday! so now lets see if his weight will improve
For the last two months I have had him on Max-E- Glo Rice Bran , Calf Mana, Alfalfa Cubs and Fast Track (probiotic) |
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Location: Willows, CA | FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-14 10:02 AM
We may of found the problem! As I stated earlier in the post that my vet checked his teeth. But a neighbor of mine was having the Equine Dentist come out so I figured I would have him check his teeth as well, just for a 2nd opinion. And sure enough the were terrible! he had really sharp points and some crazy hooks in there! : ( I was able to put my hand in his mouth and feel around and it was the craziest thing ever! so for those of you that wanted an update, he got his teeth done yesterday! so now lets see if his weight will improve
Well, there you go. As said above, this is the most missed issue. If the vet sticks his or her thumb in the corner of your horses mouth to feel the outside of the uppers and says that "they are OK for now" you need to understand that doing that really tells them very little about mouth condition. Things should change now that the horse can chew comfortably. |
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Location: Arkansas | winwillows - 2017-05-14 11:25 AM
FearTheBigGrayHorse - 2017-05-14 10:02 AM
We may of found the problem! As I stated earlier in the post that my vet checked his teeth. But a neighbor of mine was having the Equine Dentist come out so I figured I would have him check his teeth as well, just for a 2nd opinion. And sure enough the were terrible! he had really sharp points and some crazy hooks in there! : ( I was able to put my hand in his mouth and feel around and it was the craziest thing ever! so for those of you that wanted an update, he got his teeth done yesterday! so now lets see if his weight will improve
Well, there you go. As said above, this is the most missed issue. If the vet sticks his or her thumb in the corner of your horses mouth to feel the outside of the uppers and says that "they are OK for now" you need to understand that doing that really tells them very little about mouth condition. Things should change now that the horse can chew comfortably.
Ok this right here made me ready to start looking for a REAL dentist for my herd. . . |
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Omolene 400?