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Just another saddle fit post - Martha Josey experts come hither and check out question on pg2
OhMax
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Posted 2017-05-20 7:23 PM
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We have tried:
Full tree Triple Creek
Semi tree circle y Marlene McRae
8" martin Axis tree (last year)

Really hoping for a more affordable under $1000 used brand as he's a rope horse first and my backup barrel horse second.

Pictures are a couple posts down.

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Yep, gunna need picture help.
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OhMax
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Thank you Bingo! Super handy, didn't know that existed!

Here you go guys what do you think?



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Posted 2017-05-21 12:47 AM
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If you can find one, try a Courts barrel saddle. Mine was made in 2003, so it is older, but I like the way it fits most horses, for the most part. It is FQHB, but I've had it fit wide and narrow horses. The only one it has rolled on is a 3 y/o I have currently, and it doesn't roll every time so I'm thinking I don't place it in the right spot, but I have even sweat marks with it. It has the LM style tree and a 5" Cantle. They call it the 5" Cantle Barrel Racer. I was going to attach a page from how they came when they were new, but if I downsize it much more you wouldn't be able to read it. But, it is just a thought. :) The style number is 20604

 
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OhMax
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Posted 2017-05-21 1:20 AM
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Thanks! My other thought has been treeless with a CSI pad. We have the rope saddle that fits him so most of our conditioning work could be done in that, we might work a little on the pattern once a week maybe depending on how much we're hauling, so really he'd only be ridden in it for runs and occasional rides at home. I've always worried about soring one up with one and he tries hard but the soreness from saddles that haven't worked has shown through loud and clear in how he works.

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Southtxponygirl
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So since your saying hes a rope horse first and then hes a backup barrel horse second, are you sure the roping saddle is not what is makeing him sore? Sounds like hes got the rope saddle on more then a barrel saddle so I would be makeing sure the roping saddle is not the one that is causing the sorness.   I would try a Crown C on him.. I have a gelding built pretty much like your's and I use a Crown C with the standard tree and with a 3/4 5 Star pad.  
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OhMax - 2017-05-21 1:20 AM Thanks! My other thought has been treeless with a CSI pad. We have the rope saddle that fits him so most of our conditioning work could be done in that, we might work a little on the pattern once a week maybe depending on how much we're hauling, so really he'd only be ridden in it for runs and occasional rides at home. I've always worried about spring one up with one and he tries hard but the soreness from saddles that haven't worked has shown through loud and clear in how he works.

Whats the meaning of spring one up with one? 
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Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-21 10:45 AM

So since your saying hes a rope horse first and then hes a backup barrel horse second, are you sure the roping saddle is not what is makeing him sore? Sounds like hes got the rope saddle on more then a barrel saddle so I would be makeing sure the roping saddle is not the one that is causing the sorness.   I would try a Crown C on him.. I have a gelding built pretty much like your's and I use a Crown C with the standard tree and with a 3/4 5 Star pad.  

*springing should have been soring. Auto correct at 1am on the way home from a rodeo got me.


Re: rope saddle. No. Well, the one we prefer to ride yes, does not fit him and was making him sore. We've changed saddles and the one we have been using on him fits him well. That led us to reevaluate the barrel saddle I'd been using on him and discovered that it no longer fits wells either. He has really started to muscle up and evolve this year.

I had a crown c and I personally, hated it. Anything I put it on I ended up riding their neck. I hear they've changed the seats to fix that, but finding one of those in my price range might be tough. What year did they change the seat and I will keep my eyes open...

Edited to add I had an 8" martin fx3 when we first got him that did not fit him at all. Granted he has changed shape some so it's worth trying again I guess.

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Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2017-05-22 10:21 AM
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Here's the problem when it comes to trees. Each production saddle maker agrees on gullet width and how to measure (CANNOT be measured correctly once tree is wrapped, google lies!)  the gullet. However, each production saddle company varies in BAR SPREAD. Forget gullet. Completely. 
Try a production made saddle with a 6 3/4" standard gullet with a Full quarter horse bar on this horse. If you find this is too narrow, try a different brand on him with the same measurements. If it is too wide, try a semi quarter horse bar. 

It's not rocket science. It's simply finding a brand of saddle that fits your horse through the bars. You can buy a 10 inch gullet and if the bars are still semi it still won't fit your horse.... 
Think of it like the top of a triangle. If I keep the triangle together at the top (Gullet) and I spread the base out or in I Can control fit on wide or narrow horses (bar spread). If I keepo the sides the same and spread out the top I still have a fit that is either too narrow or too wide for a horse through the bars.
My suggestion for production saddles with wider bar spread would be Courts, Coats, Caldwell, OLDER circle Y's, and handmade saddles. These saddles will have a wider bar spread and will fit a wide backed horse better than anything. 

If you don't want to take any of my advice and still think that gullet matters, try an older Crown C with a standard tree. 
There's a reason Martin saddlery told you that you needed a different gullet for every horse. It's called marketing. Don't fall victim. 
There's a reason why all your rope saddles, Sans Martin, and all your dayworker saddles have two options: 6 3/4 Full QH Bars or 6 3/4 with Semi QH bars. These saddles fit a variety of horses and are used for many years by the people who buy them. 
Here is a great read for saddle fitting. Note this is for a cutting saddle but the basics are there. http://www.caldwellsaddle.com/physics.html
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OhMax
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Posted 2017-05-22 10:53 AM
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IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-22 10:21 AM

Here's the problem when it comes to trees. Each production saddle maker agrees on gullet width and how to measure (CANNOT be measured correctly once tree is wrapped, google lies!)  the gullet. However, each production saddle company varies in BAR SPREAD. Forget gullet. Completely. 
Try a production made saddle with a 6 3/4" standard gullet with a Full quarter horse bar on this horse. If you find this is too narrow, try a different brand on him with the same measurements. If it is too wide, try a semi quarter horse bar. 

It's not rocket science. It's simply finding a brand of saddle that fits your horse through the bars. You can buy a 10 inch gullet and if the bars are still semi it still won't fit your horse.... 
Think of it like the top of a triangle. If I keep the triangle together at the top (Gullet) and I spread the base out or in I Can control fit on wide or narrow horses (bar spread). If I keepo the sides the same and spread out the top I still have a fit that is either too narrow or too wide for a horse through the bars.
My suggestion for production saddles with wider bar spread would be Courts, Coats, Caldwell, OLDER circle Y's, and handmade saddles. These saddles will have a wider bar spread and will fit a wide backed horse better than anything. 

If you don't want to take any of my advice and still think that gullet matters, try an older Crown C with a standard tree. 
There's a reason Martin saddlery told you that you needed a different gullet for every horse. It's called marketing. Don't fall victim. 
There's a reason why all your rope saddles, Sans Martin, and all your dayworker saddles have two options: 6 3/4 Full QH Bars or 6 3/4 with Semi QH bars. These saddles fit a variety of horses and are used for many years by the people who buy them. 
Here is a great read for saddle fitting. Note this is for a cutting saddle but the basics are there. http://www.caldwellsaddle.com/physics.html

Easy now.

I fully understand all of what you said, did not fall off the saddle fitting tomato truck yesterday and probably pay more attention to how my tack fits than the average Joe. I'm looking for suggestions on what people think I should try as I'm also stumped on this one and do not have time to haul him all over heck and yonder right now to tack shops to try dozens of saddles on him. He's the only horse in our barn that has this much wither, I haven't had to fit a saddle to a horse shaped like him in a while.

No where in my original post did I say he has to be a semi QH bar or he takes x" gullet - no where, in fact I listed a variety of these that I had been able to try on him that did not fit.

I'm taking suggestions and trying to locate people who have them and will be at the same jackpots or rodeos as I will be. But short of stopping every person who walks by my trailer, I'm looking for suggestions on where to start based on these pictures - if someone tells me to try a full this or wide that because they have a horse built the same that it fits - then heck I'll try and find one!

I appreciate your advice and I will see what I can find tonight when I return the circle y I just tried on him. Our Martin trophy rope saddle is what fits him best and if I can break away at lunch I plan to call them and discuss what would be a similar fit in a barrel saddle. I've done the martin Axis tree thing and don't like how the crown c's or the fx3's ride so I won't be going that direction.

I will add your suggestions to the list, thank you.
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Reg. Nov 2006
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OhMax - 2017-05-21 12:29 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-21 10:45 AM So since your saying hes a rope horse first and then hes a backup barrel horse second, are you sure the roping saddle is not what is makeing him sore? Sounds like hes got the rope saddle on more then a barrel saddle so I would be makeing sure the roping saddle is not the one that is causing the sorness.   I would try a Crown C on him.. I have a gelding built pretty much like your's and I use a Crown C with the standard tree and with a 3/4 5 Star pad.  
*springing should have been soring. Auto correct at 1am on the way home from a rodeo got me. Re: rope saddle. No. Well, the one we prefer to ride yes, does not fit him and was making him sore. We've changed saddles and the one we have been using on him fits him well. That led us to reevaluate the barrel saddle I'd been using on him and discovered that it no longer fits wells either. He has really started to muscle up and evolve this year. I had a crown c and I personally, hated it. Anything I put it on I ended up riding their neck. I hear they've changed the seats to fix that, but finding one of those in my price range might be tough. What year did they change the seat and I will keep my eyes open... Edited to add I had an 8" martin fx3 when we first got him that did not fit him at all. Granted he has changed shape some so it's worth trying again I guess.

LOL, I was like what the heck does springing mean, I was thinking it was a new word for bouncing, lol.. My Crown C is the older tree, I think I got it in 2012 somewhere around then, I have heard that the newier trees dont fit the same as the older ones. The Crown C's do fit a bit shallow compare to others out there. Another saddle I have and like the feel of is the Pozzi wide and I use it on this guy...And I use a 3/4 5 Start pad with.  



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This is the fella I like my Crown C on, just wish is was a bit deeper seat as this guy can be like a jack rabbit sometimes, lol..



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OhMax
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Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-22 11:13 AM

This is the fella I like my Crown C on, just wish is was a bit deeper seat as this guy can be like a jack rabbit sometimes, lol..

Thanks, I know several who have crown c's so if I can I'll throw one on him to see. Sadly I can't stand the way they ride so I'm really hoping that isn't the magic pill! I have a variety of 5 star thicknesses and a CSI pad to play around with so we are good there.
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My mare has a back and is built just like your horse. Charmayne James Reinsman fits her beautifully and she is SOOOOOOOOOO happy!!!!
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OhMax - 2017-05-22 10:53 AM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-22 10:21 AM Here's the problem when it comes to trees. Each production saddle maker agrees on gullet width and how to measure (CANNOT be measured correctly once tree is wrapped, google lies!)  the gullet. However, each production saddle company varies in BAR SPREAD. Forget gullet. Completely. 

Try a production made saddle with a 6 3/4" standard gullet with a Full quarter horse bar on this horse. If you find this is too narrow, try a different brand on him with the same measurements. If it is too wide, try a semi quarter horse bar. 



It's not rocket science. It's simply finding a brand of saddle that fits your horse through the bars. You can buy a 10 inch gullet and if the bars are still semi it still won't fit your horse.... 

Think of it like the top of a triangle. If I keep the triangle together at the top (Gullet) and I spread the base out or in I Can control fit on wide or narrow horses (bar spread). If I keepo the sides the same and spread out the top I still have a fit that is either too narrow or too wide for a horse through the bars.

My suggestion for production saddles with wider bar spread would be Courts, Coats, Caldwell, OLDER circle Y's, and handmade saddles. These saddles will have a wider bar spread and will fit a wide backed horse better than anything. 



If you don't want to take any of my advice and still think that gullet matters, try an older Crown C with a standard tree. 

There's a reason Martin saddlery told you that you needed a different gullet for every horse. It's called marketing. Don't fall victim. 

There's a reason why all your rope saddles, Sans Martin, and all your dayworker saddles have two options: 6 3/4 Full QH Bars or 6 3/4 with Semi QH bars. These saddles fit a variety of horses and are used for many years by the people who buy them. 
Here is a great read for saddle fitting. Note this is for a cutting saddle but the basics are there. http://www.caldwellsaddle.com/physics.html
Easy now. I fully understand all of what you said, did not fall off the saddle fitting tomato truck yesterday and probably pay more attention to how my tack fits than the average Joe. I'm looking for suggestions on what people think I should try as I'm also stumped on this one and do not have time to haul him all over heck and yonder right now to tack shops to try dozens of saddles on him. He's the only horse in our barn that has this much wither, I haven't had to fit a saddle to a horse shaped like him in a while. No where in my original post did I say he has to be a semi QH bar or he takes x" gullet - no where, in fact I listed a variety of these that I had been able to try on him that did not fit. I'm taking suggestions and trying to locate people who have them and will be at the same jackpots or rodeos as I will be. But short of stopping every person who walks by my trailer, I'm looking for suggestions on where to start based on these pictures - if someone tells me to try a full this or wide that because they have a horse built the same that it fits - then heck I'll try and find one! I appreciate your advice and I will see what I can find tonight when I return the circle y I just tried on him. Our Martin trophy rope saddle is what fits him best and if I can break away at lunch I plan to call them and discuss what would be a similar fit in a barrel saddle. I've done the martin Axis tree thing and don't like how the crown c's or the fx3's ride so I won't be going that direction. I will add your suggestions to the list, thank you.

Sorry If I came off a bit rude. Was not meaning to.
Also was not implying that you had "fallen off the tomato truck" lol 
I was simply stating all of that for the ones who may be coming on to your thread and looking for the same advice. Maybe someone who had fallen victim to the gullet widths etc. 
Sorry for coming across not so nice. I just see saddle fit post after saddle fit post after saddle fit post and all the suggestions are the same. Just my opinion. 
Hugs. 
 
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My mare has a similar back, only reason I am replying to this is it caught my attention how similar yours looked to my mare- I use a Billy Cook with semi QH bars and the gullet is 7" (I think). Fits her well with a classic equine 3/4" pad.
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IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-22 11:40 AM

OhMax - 2017-05-22 10:53 AM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-22 10:21 AM Here's the problem when it comes to trees. Each production saddle maker agrees on gullet width and how to measure (CANNOT be measured correctly once tree is wrapped, google lies!)  the gullet. However, each production saddle company varies in BAR SPREAD. Forget gullet. Completely. 

Try a production made saddle with a 6 3/4" standard gullet with a Full quarter horse bar on this horse. If you find this is too narrow, try a different brand on him with the same measurements. If it is too wide, try a semi quarter horse bar. 



It's not rocket science. It's simply finding a brand of saddle that fits your horse through the bars. You can buy a 10 inch gullet and if the bars are still semi it still won't fit your horse.... 

Think of it like the top of a triangle. If I keep the triangle together at the top (Gullet) and I spread the base out or in I Can control fit on wide or narrow horses (bar spread). If I keepo the sides the same and spread out the top I still have a fit that is either too narrow or too wide for a horse through the bars.

My suggestion for production saddles with wider bar spread would be Courts, Coats, Caldwell, OLDER circle Y's, and handmade saddles. These saddles will have a wider bar spread and will fit a wide backed horse better than anything. 



If you don't want to take any of my advice and still think that gullet matters, try an older Crown C with a standard tree. 

There's a reason Martin saddlery told you that you needed a different gullet for every horse. It's called marketing. Don't fall victim. 

There's a reason why all your rope saddles, Sans Martin, and all your dayworker saddles have two options: 6 3/4 Full QH Bars or 6 3/4 with Semi QH bars. These saddles fit a variety of horses and are used for many years by the people who buy them. 
Here is a great read for saddle fitting. Note this is for a cutting saddle but the basics are there. http://www.caldwellsaddle.com/physics.html
Easy now. I fully understand all of what you said, did not fall off the saddle fitting tomato truck yesterday and probably pay more attention to how my tack fits than the average Joe. I'm looking for suggestions on what people think I should try as I'm also stumped on this one and do not have time to haul him all over heck and yonder right now to tack shops to try dozens of saddles on him. He's the only horse in our barn that has this much wither, I haven't had to fit a saddle to a horse shaped like him in a while. No where in my original post did I say he has to be a semi QH bar or he takes x" gullet - no where, in fact I listed a variety of these that I had been able to try on him that did not fit. I'm taking suggestions and trying to locate people who have them and will be at the same jackpots or rodeos as I will be. But short of stopping every person who walks by my trailer, I'm looking for suggestions on where to start based on these pictures - if someone tells me to try a full this or wide that because they have a horse built the same that it fits - then heck I'll try and find one! I appreciate your advice and I will see what I can find tonight when I return the circle y I just tried on him. Our Martin trophy rope saddle is what fits him best and if I can break away at lunch I plan to call them and discuss what would be a similar fit in a barrel saddle. I've done the martin Axis tree thing and don't like how the crown c's or the fx3's ride so I won't be going that direction. I will add your suggestions to the list, thank you.

Sorry If I came off a bit rude. Was not meaning to.
Also was not implying that you had "fallen off the tomato truck" lol 
I was simply stating all of that for the ones who may be coming on to your thread and looking for the same advice. Maybe someone who had fallen victim to the gullet widths etc. 
Sorry for coming across not so nice. I just see saddle fit post after saddle fit post after saddle fit post and all the suggestions are the same. Just my opinion. 
Hugs. 
 

It's okay! I feel the same when I see all the ISO posts on Facebook looking for at least an 8" gullet. I actually got banned from one of the groups for a while because I dared try and explain saddle trees to someone...

One day I will lose it on someone and probably get chucked out of all the sale pages for life..
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FLITASTIC - 2017-05-22 11:18 AM

My mare has a back and is built just like your horse. Charmayne James Reinsman fits her beautifully and she is SOOOOOOOOOO happy!!!!

Are you happy with the reinsman? I got a brand new Marlene McRae Reinsman last summer and sent it back the next day, awful plastic like leather and the construction felt really really wimpy, could see a couple nails, a ton of leather shrinkage on the sides of the pommel - I realize you can see where the leather is joined here on most, but I could get a quarter into the gap. Was not a $2000 saddle IMO.

But then I see a lot of folks who are happy with theirs. Was I just sent a lemon? Ugh.
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OhMax - 2017-05-22 12:56 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-22 11:18 AM My mare has a back and is built just like your horse. Charmayne James Reinsman fits her beautifully and she is SOOOOOOOOOO happy!!!!
Are you happy with the reinsman? I got a brand new Marlene McRae Reinsman last summer and sent it back the next day, awful plastic like leather and the construction felt really really wimpy, could see a couple nails, a ton of leather shrinkage on the sides of the pommel - I realize you can see where the leather is joined here on most, but I could get a quarter into the gap. Was not a $2000 saddle IMO. But then I see a lot of folks who are happy with theirs. Was I just sent a lemon? Ugh.

I tried a Reinsman Marlene and felt the same way...I ended up with a Cactus Marlene, much better quality! 
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fulltiltfilly - 2017-05-22 12:01 PM

OhMax - 2017-05-22 12:56 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-05-22 11:18 AM My mare has a back and is built just like your horse. Charmayne James Reinsman fits her beautifully and she is SOOOOOOOOOO happy!!!!
Are you happy with the reinsman? I got a brand new Marlene McRae Reinsman last summer and sent it back the next day, awful plastic like leather and the construction felt really really wimpy, could see a couple nails, a ton of leather shrinkage on the sides of the pommel - I realize you can see where the leather is joined here on most, but I could get a quarter into the gap. Was not a $2000 saddle IMO. But then I see a lot of folks who are happy with theirs. Was I just sent a lemon? Ugh.

I tried a Reinsman Marlene and felt the same way...I ended up with a Cactus Marlene, much better quality! 

I tried an older circle y Marlene and it didn't work on him. He has filled out and changed shape a LOT since we tried the reinsman on him last summer, I don't think that tree is going to work anymore.
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OhMax - 2017-05-22 9:56 AM

FLITASTIC - 2017-05-22 11:18 AM

My mare has a back and is built just like your horse. Charmayne James Reinsman fits her beautifully and she is SOOOOOOOOOO happy!!!!

Are you happy with the reinsman? I got a brand new Marlene McRae Reinsman last summer and sent it back the next day, awful plastic like leather and the construction felt really really wimpy, could see a couple nails, a ton of leather shrinkage on the sides of the pommel - I realize you can see where the leather is joined here on most, but I could get a quarter into the gap. Was not a $2000 saddle IMO.

But then I see a lot of folks who are happy with theirs. Was I just sent a lemon? Ugh.

I have had 4 reinsmans in the last year. 2 Team Camarillos and 2 CJ's. THey are all perfect quality, and fit and feel AWESOME. I don't see the problems you guys are describing. THe leather is nice and thick. Yea, they were new and needed to break in a little but nothing like you describe.
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Thanks, I'll see if I can get my hands on one to try.
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Posted 2017-05-22 1:49 PM
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OhMax - 2017-05-22 11:54 AM
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OhMax - 2017-05-22 10:53 AM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-22 10:21 AM Here's the problem when it comes to trees. Each production saddle maker agrees on gullet width and how to measure (CANNOT be measured correctly once tree is wrapped, google lies!)  the gullet. However, each production saddle company varies in BAR SPREAD. Forget gullet. Completely. 

Try a production made saddle with a 6 3/4" standard gullet with a Full quarter horse bar on this horse. If you find this is too narrow, try a different brand on him with the same measurements. If it is too wide, try a semi quarter horse bar. 



It's not rocket science. It's simply finding a brand of saddle that fits your horse through the bars. You can buy a 10 inch gullet and if the bars are still semi it still won't fit your horse.... 

Think of it like the top of a triangle. If I keep the triangle together at the top (Gullet) and I spread the base out or in I Can control fit on wide or narrow horses (bar spread). If I keepo the sides the same and spread out the top I still have a fit that is either too narrow or too wide for a horse through the bars.

My suggestion for production saddles with wider bar spread would be Courts, Coats, Caldwell, OLDER circle Y's, and handmade saddles. These saddles will have a wider bar spread and will fit a wide backed horse better than anything. 



If you don't want to take any of my advice and still think that gullet matters, try an older Crown C with a standard tree. 

There's a reason Martin saddlery told you that you needed a different gullet for every horse. It's called marketing. Don't fall victim. 

There's a reason why all your rope saddles, Sans Martin, and all your dayworker saddles have two options: 6 3/4 Full QH Bars or 6 3/4 with Semi QH bars. These saddles fit a variety of horses and are used for many years by the people who buy them. 
Here is a great read for saddle fitting. Note this is for a cutting saddle but the basics are there. http://www.caldwellsaddle.com/physics.html
Easy now. I fully understand all of what you said, did not fall off the saddle fitting tomato truck yesterday and probably pay more attention to how my tack fits than the average Joe. I'm looking for suggestions on what people think I should try as I'm also stumped on this one and do not have time to haul him all over heck and yonder right now to tack shops to try dozens of saddles on him. He's the only horse in our barn that has this much wither, I haven't had to fit a saddle to a horse shaped like him in a while. No where in my original post did I say he has to be a semi QH bar or he takes x" gullet - no where, in fact I listed a variety of these that I had been able to try on him that did not fit. I'm taking suggestions and trying to locate people who have them and will be at the same jackpots or rodeos as I will be. But short of stopping every person who walks by my trailer, I'm looking for suggestions on where to start based on these pictures - if someone tells me to try a full this or wide that because they have a horse built the same that it fits - then heck I'll try and find one! I appreciate your advice and I will see what I can find tonight when I return the circle y I just tried on him. Our Martin trophy rope saddle is what fits him best and if I can break away at lunch I plan to call them and discuss what would be a similar fit in a barrel saddle. I've done the martin Axis tree thing and don't like how the crown c's or the fx3's ride so I won't be going that direction. I will add your suggestions to the list, thank you.
Sorry If I came off a bit rude. Was not meaning to.

Also was not implying that you had "fallen off the tomato truck" lol 

I was simply stating all of that for the ones who may be coming on to your thread and looking for the same advice. Maybe someone who had fallen victim to the gullet widths etc. 

Sorry for coming across not so nice. I just see saddle fit post after saddle fit post after saddle fit post and all the suggestions are the same. Just my opinion. 

Hugs. 
 
It's okay! I feel the same when I see all the ISO posts on Facebook looking for at least an 8" gullet. I actually got banned from one of the groups for a while because I dared try and explain saddle trees to someone... One day I will lose it on someone and probably get chucked out of all the sale pages for life..

I feel your pain. I just scroll on past. People on BHW are open to learning new things and debating in a mature way. Well, most are lol. But people of Facebook are a whole new breed of "I'm right, you're wrong and I don't have to listen to you even tho I just asked for opinions and advice..."  
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OhMax
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Posted 2017-05-28 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Just another saddle fit post - ugh - Got Pictures Added!


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DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!

tried a friend's older Martha Josey. Fits him AWESOME. had a good run and actually pulled a check. Way too small for me to ever want to ride in again though. Ugh.

It is the 6 3/4" gullet with FQHB. The saddle does not say "made by circle y" just "Martha Josey collection made in USA".

Does anyone know how the tree in that one would compare to the tree in the older joseys that do say Made by Circle y?
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