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Location: Oklahoma | I don't think I have ever had a butt slinger before now, but I have a sneaking suspicion it may be my fault. Tell me what causes it and what cures it. |
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| The main cause is usually simply the horse needs to be reminded to keep their rear end under them. Make sure you are keeping your outside foot in the horse for support across the pen going to the barrel as well as in the turn. I walk the pattern a lot to work on this and stop at the barrel and make the horse back up and put their hip to the inside. Really make sure their shoulder is picked up. I also will counter arc away from the barrel, then come back and turn it, making a figure 8 to keep that inside back foot planted.
Another factor could be the horse needs a chiropractor. I had a mare that swung her butt out in turns and I just thought it was how she naturally turned and when I took her to the chiro (to fix something else) he fixed her lower back on that side and she hasn't swung her butt since. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Sounds like some very good points. Thanks!
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| Could be physical, could be she doesn't know how to properly collect and use herself. Do you do circle work where you flex, trot collected, extend out, back to collected again and same thing at a lope? I am not a trainer but when I go to a lesson we really work on this before we look at a barrel-most of it is for me, not the horse :) |
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| Could the horse be on the wrong lead? |
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Location: Texas | Too much pulling on the inside rein can cause it. Try to ride more with your body. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Fun2Run - 2017-05-22 2:30 PM Too much pulling on the inside rein can cause it. Try to ride more with your body.
I agree with this. Way too many horses bend their necks and don't bend their bodies and result is butt slinging. Asking to turn too soon also causes this problem.
Do you have a video you can post?
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| The south central youth rodeo is having a Connie Combs clinic in June, Stratford ok.
Connie is great at helping people figuring out problems.
I can send you more info on the clinic if you would be interested in coming.
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Location: Oklahoma | I would like info on the Connie Coms clinic, but I did have a suspicion that it is both asking to rate too soon and too much inside rein. I do 't have a video handy but will try to post one later. I am an old barrel racer and have not entered anything in probably 7 or 8 years now but did yesterday. I should know better than to check too soon and hang on the inside rein! I still remember Marths Josey saying "go straighter longer" to the 2nd barrel from her clinic I went to in the 90s. Anyway, thank you guys so much for confirming what I was thinking! |
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| I sent you a pm on the clinic.
it is a fundraiser for the south central youth rodeo association awards.
the arena is covered. |
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Location: Willows, CA | Lack of collection in the turn. A horse can't drive with its hind end and sling its butt at the same time. To sling its butt out in a turn it would have to be down on its front end. |
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| This can be caused by several things.....sore hocks, sore stifles, too much inside rein being lifted, too much pressure on the inside leg (rider). Try putting pressure on the horse with your outside leg once he starts the turn. Try neck reining them to finish the turn instead of pulling as much on the inside rein. You may need to shorten your reins also. During slow work as they finish each turn, pick up your outside rein and push them back over to exaggerate the finish and at the same time, put your outside leg into them. If all of that doesn't get a better result, go see a vet for a lameness exam. |
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Location: North Dakota | winwillows - 2017-05-23 10:55 AM Lack of collection in the turn. A horse can't drive with its hind end and sling its butt at the same time. To sling its butt out in a turn it would have to be down on its front end.
^^^^^my exact thoughts. |
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Location: USA | What are some more excises and or bits to help with getting them to use their hind ends more in the turns? |
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| Don't know if this will help but I had a couple horses that were loaned to me when I had an injury to my horse at the time. I found they would sling their butt around the turn. These were finished horses and all I did was stop sticking so much inside leg on them. One of them I wouldn't use much leg at all but she was super honest. Sometimes it is that simple. It fixed the problem on those two horses for me. Certainly won't hurt to try it. |
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| Oakley, doing rollbacks into a fence will help get them using their hind ends OR you can long trot, stop, back and rollback, making sure when you ask for the rollback they are on the same hind foot as the direction you are turning them. |
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Location: USA | quickdraw - 2017-05-23 11:40 PM Oakley, doing rollbacks into a fence will help get them using their hind ends OR you can long trot, stop, back and rollback, making sure when you ask for the rollback they are on the same hind foot as the direction you are turning them.
Great! Thanks
I bought him finished and the lady did an awesome job with him, but he lacks collection in his turns and gets strung out. Just like someone had mentioned, he turns his neck too much and losses his hind end. I've never had this issue, so have never had to correct it. He is pretty consistently in the middle of the 1-d but hoping to clean up his turns and get a couple hundredths taken off his time. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I used to be a pretty decent hand, I thought, LOL. It is so hard to get going again when you are older (62) and haven't run in several years. I am thankful for all the knowledgeable and helpful people on BHW, |
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| Try something really simple.... Walk the barrel pattern, stop at each pocket. Your horse will most likely step its hind end away from the barrel when stopped. Push that butt back towards the barrel. Reiterate that alot. Also the lack of collection will cause the slinging. |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | 62 is not old. I am 60 and I don't think I am old |
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Butt slinging in turns