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If I had the cash and need for an older broodie I'd probably buy her. Here's a link if anyone is interested.
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| I tried to find info on the current owner but only a fb page with 2 "likes."
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| Mighty Broke - 2017-05-23 1:30 PM Mare has to have "issues" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Just a thought, some people are willing to take the risk.
I took in a 23 year d mare that had had issues in the past and were unable to get or keep in her in foal for the last 5 years. Turns out she had a uterine infection. Cleared it up, caslicked her, and she is now safely in foal. Even if I only get one baby from her I feel it will be well worth it. Then again I was also able and willing to take a loss if she was unable to produce. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business.
What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400?
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| Bear - 2017-05-23 2:27 PM
It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business.
What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400?
Just curious.
Last time I was in a low end sale barn, meat weight was a little over $200 or so. But that was before they closed the us plants, so I dunno. $2-300 sounds about right. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | hannahbug - 2017-05-23 3:08 PM
Bear - 2017-05-23 2:27 PM
It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business.
What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400?
Just curious.
Last time I was in a low end sale barn, meat weight was a little over $200 or so. But that was before they closed the us plants, so I dunno. $2-300 sounds about right.
So.....$200 becomes $850, then. Low overhead and the internet makes this an attractive business to some people. |
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| Bear - 2017-05-23 3:13 PM hannahbug - 2017-05-23 3:08 PM Bear - 2017-05-23 2:27 PM It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business. What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400? Just curious. Last time I was in a low end sale barn, meat weight was a little over $200 or so. But that was before they closed the us plants, so I dunno. $2-300 sounds about right. So.....$200 becomes $850, then. Low overhead and the internet makes this an attractive business to some people.
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| Bear - 2017-05-23 3:13 PM
hannahbug - 2017-05-23 3:08 PM
Bear - 2017-05-23 2:27 PM
It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business.
What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400?
Just curious.
Last time I was in a low end sale barn, meat weight was a little over $200 or so. But that was before they closed the us plants, so I dunno. $2-300 sounds about right.
So.....$200 becomes $850, then. Low overhead and the internet makes this an attractive business to some people.
Yep. I bought a mini donkey Moma and 5 day old baby from the Kaufman kill pen. Saw them on FB Saturday morning, I live 4 hours away, no way I could get there before they close at noon and they would be closed the next 2 days. They gave be the numbers of "quarantine" barns who will pick them up so they are not exposed to the diseases there. I get it arranged with one of these folks- could find zero information on them though. They really pushed me to leave them there for two weeks, I said no I would be there in the morning to pick them up, I had a bad feeling about them. Sure enough the horses are nose to nose across low stall walls, sharing nasty water, no hay and most desperately needed groceries. Those horses were not in much better conditions then at the kill pen much less being "quarantined" and they were charging out the wazoo to board there. Lots of low life scammers surround these kill pens. I paid $500 for my donkeys, kill pen maybe paid $20 for them. I don't mind the kill pen making money, no different than an individual buying them at auction then flipping them other than the kill pen has the emotional tug to "save" them. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | The horses that end up at the facebook "rescue" sites are horses that are too "good" to go to Slaughter, but still have problems. Sometimes owners die and the horses have no where to go. Sometimes the horses are sold because the owners cannot afford them any longer and have run out of options. With that said, this horse depending on weight should only bring about $400. These people take advantage of bleeding hearts and make an astronomical amount of money flipping these horses.
If you truly want to rescue horses, go bid against the kill buyers yourself. It's cheaper. You cut out the middle man. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | TrailGirl - 2017-05-23 3:53 PM And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues.
HA!
I promise you, once the price per horse gets over a certain amount per pound, the kill buyer backs out. Kill buyers aren't going to "outbid" a private buyer. Even by $50. They'll bid on the next one. If you want one bad enough, they'll let you have it.  |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I've seen breeders trying to sell mares that are 18-early 20's IN FOAL for $500 and no takers. Yet if they run them to a sale barn for the bleeding hearts to buy, they are condemed as horse killers. I had one myself that I would never have thought to take to a kill barn, I owned her for 8 yrs of her life and knew all about her. I could tell them her vaccination/deworming/farrier/teeth float history. She was an easy breeder and just required a caslick. I thought I would never find her a home. $500 4 months from foaling and she was 22. She was a producing daughter of Mr Dark Jet.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Think about this:
How can you prove the papers belong to horses here? I've seen people switch papers so many times it isn't funny. People are shady at these auctions. Papers only bring 100 to 200 more than grade. You can't prove papers belong to horses at these places. Is it a black horse with a sock and snip, look there';s another black with a sock and snip that is heavier in weight. Lets throw papers on that one instead.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 2:56 PM TrailGirl - 2017-05-23 3:53 PM And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues. HA!
I promise you, once the price per horse gets over a certain amount per pound, the kill buyer backs out. Kill buyers aren't going to "outbid" a private buyer. Even by $50. They'll bid on the next one. If you want one bad enough, they'll let you have it.
This is the truth. There are plenty of cheap kill horses out there. They aren't going to pay a penny more than they have to. It's the middle people that are out to scam... |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-05-23 4:00 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 2:56 PM TrailGirl - 2017-05-23 3:53 PM And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues. HA!
I promise you, once the price per horse gets over a certain amount per pound, the kill buyer backs out. Kill buyers aren't going to "outbid" a private buyer. Even by $50. They'll bid on the next one. If you want one bad enough, they'll let you have it.
I will agree, some horses do not belong at the sale. Some horses still have lots of life left. But the majority are too far gone....
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 3:04 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-05-23 4:00 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 2:56 PM TrailGirl - 2017-05-23 3:53 PM And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues. HA!
I promise you, once the price per horse gets over a certain amount per pound, the kill buyer backs out. Kill buyers aren't going to "outbid" a private buyer. Even by $50. They'll bid on the next one. If you want one bad enough, they'll let you have it.
I will agree, some horses do not belong at the sale. Some horses still have lots of life left. But the majority are too far gone....
same as a dog pound. Lots of trouble...or love to be found. Many a trusted kids horse has come out of a kill pen, but they usually are pretty crippled too and if they could talk would most likely tell you they are in a lot of pain. Kids don't always have the horse's best interest at heart too when they want to ride and have fun. I know a local lady that bought 99% of her broodmares at the kill pen. All well bred. All ding bats that raised some half dangerous babies. Her program got quite the reputation in our town. So often even if they are young, gorgeous and well bred, they might be dangerous or have a reason for being there. |
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| I will say though, I think meat must be up. Not nearly what the price of these horses are being sold for but I have been to a few auctions where kill buyers are spending $350-$450 a horse. Granted they get some for $50 so maybe it evens itself out or something??
It is definitely hard to buy from these pens. I am guilty of looking but I would rather buy one before they go to the killpen. But I do disagree with the poster who said kill buyers wont outbid you because I have bid against them. Older broodie in good condition and we paid $350 and he almost bid again and we would have walked. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | stayceem - 2017-05-23 4:29 PM I will say though, I think meat must be up. Not nearly what the price of these horses are being sold for but I have been to a few auctions where kill buyers are spending $350-$450 a horse. Granted they get some for $50 so maybe it evens itself out or something?? It is definitely hard to buy from these pens. I am guilty of looking but I would rather buy one before they go to the killpen. But I do disagree with the poster who said kill buyers wont outbid you because I have bid against them. Older broodie in good condition and we paid $350 and he almost bid again and we would have walked.
Your $50 horses are grade studs or crippled ponies and horses. Your mares usually end up going for more. Why? Not entirely sure. I'm sure it has to do with weight.
I've seen a "papered" 5 year old stud sell for $75 at least two or three times a sale.
Kill buyers aren't going to pay more than $4-500 a horse. If they do then they have other ideas in mind for the horse. Some kill buyers will buy horses to resell on the side. They get in big trouble for this unless they own their own kill business. $350 for a broodmare is right around where the kill buyer wants to be. So yes, the buyer could have bid again, but he didn't. Why? Because it gets too expensive for them and they don't make any money. I think we can both agree to disagree . Saying that kill buyers won't outbid you because you paid $350 for a broodmare and the kill buyer almost bid again isn't fair. Had you been over 4 or $500 then it may be true that kill buyers will outbid private buyers. But again, kill buyers want to be under 4 or 500 depending on the weight of the horse so they can make money. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | wyoming barrel racer - 2017-05-23 4:18 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 3:04 PM wyoming barrel racer - 2017-05-23 4:00 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 2:56 PM TrailGirl - 2017-05-23 3:53 PM And then the kill buyer turns around and takes the bleeding heart's money and has even more cash to out bid private buyers at the next auction...and so the cycle continues. HA!
I promise you, once the price per horse gets over a certain amount per pound, the kill buyer backs out. Kill buyers aren't going to "outbid" a private buyer. Even by $50. They'll bid on the next one. If you want one bad enough, they'll let you have it.
I will agree, some horses do not belong at the sale. Some horses still have lots of life left. But the majority are too far gone....
Very good comparison.
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | Bear - 2017-05-23 2:27 PM
It seems to me that these kill pen rescues are a growing business.
What would a horse like that bring from the killers? $350-400?
Just curious.
Here's a link to an article that talks about your comment....about kill pens becoming a growing business:
https://equineassist.org/kill-pen-rescues-the-real-cost/
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Location: OH | Buying broodmares at a kill pen ?? That sounds like a productive breeding program---catch the sarcasm. |
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Location: Washington | I am thrilled the few have found a new way to make a buck on an animal that simply needed their life ended. UNTIL we all take responsibilty for what we own and or buy, we are a big part of the problem. I remind people that horses are livestock....shocked when I get they reply they are pets. That is the problem. |
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Location: OH | fatchance - 2017-05-23 10:24 PM
I am thrilled the few have found a new way to make a buck on an animal that simply needed their life ended. UNTIL we all take responsibilty for what we own and or buy, we are a big part of the problem. I remind people that horses are livestock....shocked when I get they reply they are pets. That is the problem.
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| I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but even if it's not let me clarify.
I am in no way associated with kill buyers or these "bail" groups. I've never bought a horse out of a kill pen either. The broodmare I picked up was via private sale.
I hate these groups personally because I like others feel it's a scam and I've seen many kill buyers purposely buy a nice horse for $600+ specifically for these "bail" groups.
I just saw what could potentially be a gem in a crummy situation. It never occurred to me that someone would swap papers but I guess it happens.
And these folks selling bred broodies with jam up papers for $500. Where the heck are they because I never find good deals like that!
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Here is a good read for you:
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | The kill buyers have built a lucrative side business with the bail horses -- I know of two extremely nice horses saved from the kill pen - neither was bailed -- ...one at the sale barn - he was recognized. He was a yearling world champ halter gelding. Had won the world title only a few months prior so was there in tip top show condition. Someone recognized him - they had seen him win the title. They bought him. He had a nasty cut on a rear leg that apparently his owner did not want to deal with - he went to a great home and is sound. Another is a mare a man saw on a kill truck and bought - AQHA. In the past two years he has won several world titles in roping events on her. There ARE some very nice horse making their way through the kill market - perhaps some of those do get bailed. I hope so. I also know of several breeders who became too old to handle their program or had had financial disasters or so old they were not of sound mind - family stepped in and dispersed horses via auction so many ended up in the kill pen -- some super nice broodmares and even known studs. Very sad situations. I think the kill buyers have recognized the fact some nice horses are going into their market and they are trying hard to capitalize on them -- Is it a good thing? Well, it certainly is the for the horses that do get bailed and go on to good lives.
As owners we have a responsibility to our horses. Selling on Craig's List practically assures the horse is headed to a kill buyer.. as does running one through an auction.. buy smart. Own smart. Sell smart. Personally I would rather euthanize then send through an auction if I cannot afford to keep an old one or a lame one or find a safe trust worthy home. As an older person I have made legal and financial arrangements to have my two cared for if something happens to me. My kids who are not horse people know this and know it is legally set up so it will happen. I'd rise up from my grave if my horses were not cared for properly...... |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-23 4:44 PM
stayceem - 2017-05-23 4:29 PM I will say though, I think meat must be up. Not nearly what the price of these horses are being sold for but I have been to a few auctions where kill buyers are spending $350-$450 a horse. Granted they get some for $50 so maybe it evens itself out or something?? It is definitely hard to buy from these pens. I am guilty of looking but I would rather buy one before they go to the killpen. But I do disagree with the poster who said kill buyers wont outbid you because I have bid against them. Older broodie in good condition and we paid $350 and he almost bid again and we would have walked.
Your $50 horses are grade studs or crippled ponies and horses. Your mares usually end up going for more. Why? Not entirely sure. I'm sure it has to do with weight.
I've seen a "papered" 5 year old stud sell for $75 at least two or three times a sale.
Kill buyers aren't going to pay more than $4-500 a horse. If they do then they have other ideas in mind for the horse. Some kill buyers will buy horses to resell on the side. They get in big trouble for this unless they own their own kill business. $350 for a broodmare is right around where the kill buyer wants to be. So yes, the buyer could have bid again, but he didn't. Why? Because it gets too expensive for them and they don't make any money. I think we can both agree to disagree. Saying that kill buyers won't outbid you because you paid $350 for a broodmare and the kill buyer almost bid again isn't fair. Had you been over 4 or $500 then it may be true that kill buyers will outbid private buyers. But again, kill buyers want to be under 4 or 500 depending on the weight of the horse so they can make money.
I was referring to the comment that "kill buyers wont outbid private buyers." I believe that to be false as I have seen it several times. I agree they have a limit but for example, this old broodie (we weren't buying her for this purpose), wasn't something we needed or wanted but she was a nice mare and I knew some history on her. However, I didn't need her. When you say kb don't outbid private buyers, I take that as they wont do this in general, no matter what the price. However, yes they do. Generally, yes a private buyer would have a much higher cap than kb but if you're buying the horse for a pasture pet or whatever and not wanting to spend a lot, it is annoying to bed against them.
If I understand you right, you are saying kill buyers wont pay more than $400-$500 which I agree with but that's not the same as saying they wont outbid you. Because yes they will bid against you and if its not a horse you "need," they will outbid you. |
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Location: OH | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2017-05-23 10:49 PM
I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not, but even if it's not let me clarify.
I am in no way associated with kill buyers or these "bail" groups. I've never bought a horse out of a kill pen either. The broodmare I picked up was via private sale.
I hate these groups personally because I like others feel it's a scam and I've seen many kill buyers purposely buy a nice horse for $600+ specifically for these "bail" groups.
I just saw what could potentially be a gem in a crummy situation. It never occurred to me that someone would swap papers but I guess it happens.
And these folks selling bred broodies with jam up papers for $500. Where the heck are they because I never find good deals like that!
My statement was not directed at you, just in general. |
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Location: Tex. Panhandle | Then you add the cost of shipping them :( I was looking into her and it was going to cost more to ship her to me then it was to purchase her. So the 800 plus price tag then becomes almost 1800 with shipping costs.  On a rescue I know absolutely nothing about. Def made me pass |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-24 9:35 AM I'm one of those bleeding hearts that's why I dont go to these sites that have Recuse horse's and dont go to the sale yards either, if I did my pastures would be full, I have picked up horses here and there in my lifetime cause people had them starving in their backyards and it drove me nuts seeing these horses. I too have a bleeding heart.... But I've seen the sales work first hand and while I know some horses are beyond saving, not everyone knows that...
If it's a foal, a horse that is built well, a young horse, etc I would end up coming home with them if they stayed under $500. If I got them home and they failed a vet check, etc. I wouldn't lose money because I knew I could get at least that much for them on a trade site. And at least then the new owners would know the problems and be made aware of them before purchase. Gives the horse a chance to not end up there again. I couldn't afford to vet the horses and usually would just try and make my $500 or whatever I spent on them back. It blows my mind people pay upwards of 3k for horses like this from middle men.
For example: My friend bought a 10 year old (was sold as a 5 year old. Vet aged at 10) from a kill pen sale page on Facebook and started riding him on trails. Come to find out in a routine vet exam the horse had navicular and had broken the bone at some point and it never healed. She is now the proud owner of a lame horse she gets to feed for another 10 years. She's afraid to sell because she doesn't want him ridden, and she is afriad to give him away as a light riding kid horse in fear someone would send him to the sale again. Sweetest horse in the world, but now she's $2500 out from just the purchase, plus transport, plus vet bills and a ten year feed bill... I know I couldn't afford that.... 
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Location: Arkansas | Delta Cowgirl - 2017-05-24 8:12 AM
The kill buyers have built a lucrative side business with the bail horses -- I know of two extremely nice horses saved from the kill pen - neither was bailed -- ...one at the sale barn - he was recognized. He was a yearling world champ halter gelding. Had won the world title only a few months prior so was there in tip top show condition. Someone recognized him - they had seen him win the title. They bought him. He had a nasty cut on a rear leg that apparently his owner did not want to deal with - he went to a great home and is sound. Another is a mare a man saw on a kill truck and bought - AQHA. In the past two years he has won several world titles in roping events on her. There ARE some very nice horse making their way through the kill market - perhaps some of those do get bailed. I hope so. I also know of several breeders who became too old to handle their program or had had financial disasters or so old they were not of sound mind - family stepped in and dispersed horses via auction so many ended up in the kill pen -- some super nice broodmares and even known studs. Very sad situations. I think the kill buyers have recognized the fact some nice horses are going into their market and they are trying hard to capitalize on them -- Is it a good thing? Well, it certainly is the for the horses that do get bailed and go on to good lives.
As owners we have a responsibility to our horses. Selling on Craig's List practically assures the horse is headed to a kill buyer.. as does running one through an auction.. buy smart. Own smart. Sell smart. Personally I would rather euthanize then send through an auction if I cannot afford to keep an old one or a lame one or find a safe trust worthy home. As an older person I have made legal and financial arrangements to have my two cared for if something happens to me. My kids who are not horse people know this and know it is legally set up so it will happen. I'd rise up from my grave if my horses were not cared for properly......
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Location: Arkansas | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-24 9:35 AM
I'm one of those bleeding hearts that's why I dont go to these sites that have Recuse horse's and dont go to the sale yards either, if I did my pastures would be full, I have picked up horses here and there in my lifetime cause people had them starving in their backyards and it drove me nuts seeing these horses.
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