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Location: OH | We sent a filly out to be ridden for 60 days and now have gotten her back and are not very pleased. It is like the filly had never been ridden even though we were sent videos. She is absolutely no further ahead than when she went. We have referred many of our horses to this place in the past that were owned by customers and everyone seemed pleased with their results but this was the first of ours that we had actually sent. My question is this---would you address your displeasure with them or just let it go and just not refer any more horses to them ????? |
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| Talk to them about it. Almost all disagreements can be solved with a conversation. They may agree to take her back for another 60 and actually ride her this time. I also would not send anybody to them. |
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| I'd tell them how you feel... their reaction would help me decide if I'd continue to send more business their way. |
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Location: OH. IO | I would TRY to talk to them.Then I think you should take your wife on a vaca to Hawii and try to relax for a bit.;) |
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Location: OH | jake16 - 2017-05-24 11:54 AM I would TRY to talk to them.Then I think you should take your wife on a vaca to Hawii and try to relax for a bit.;)
LOL---like that is happening this time of the year. We are so busy with foaling and breeding is the only reason I sent her out in the first place. With weather here---I figured I'd send her in March and get a headstart. When I sent her she was loping circles in the round pen---now, that is still about all she knows. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I would be asking who ever it was that was riding this filly to come out and show me what excally what they were doing with her. And go from there. |
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Location: Missouri | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-24 10:56 AM
jake16 - 2017-05-24 11:54 AM I would TRY to talk to them.Then I think you should take your wife on a vaca to Hawii and try to relax for a bit.;)
LOL---like that is happening this time of the year. We are so busy with foaling and breeding is the only reason I sent her out in the first place. With weather here---I figured I'd send her in March and get a headstart. When I sent her she was loping circles in the round pen---now, that is still about all she knows.
I think I would just ask what the trainer felt like the horse had learned while he had her - see if there is some kind of explanation. Like others said, I would think if you were unhappy, they would offer to work with the filly to make it right.
Mine knew less than that...5 and had been ridden around MAYBE 45 rides on her, hauled to see the sights, moved off leg pressure, stop, back. Great groundwork on her but inconsistent riding at best lol. Sent her to a young girl who lives on a ranch and actually USES ones she takes daily on cattle and sheep (oh the horror..according to my young mare). I am sooooo impressed. I don't know what most trainers do in 30 days (rides in this case), but...
Our weather has been terribly rainy..she went the 2nd weekend of April, and will be coming back next week - getting her full 30 rides in. She has that mare picking up leads, butt planting stop, beginning to neck rein, been ridden double, crossing ditches belly deep in moving water, whips cracked off of, pasture roping, tripping. I get snapchats, pics, videos, messages at least three times a week. Plenty of good old fashioned miles, hard work, and wet blankets.
This girl is not a "professional" as I'm sure yours is, but she very specifically asked me what my expectations were when I got her back - that impressed me. I grabbed her for a weekend 2 weeks in to do a little "rodeo queen mom" thing, and she asked very pointed, very pertinent questions as to how I felt the mare responded. The two things that bugged me (and no fault of the trainer - fault of mare being green), she really worked extra hard on correcting. So, I would ask..see what type of response you get and go from there.
edited to correct to filly, not colt (selective reading on my part OOPS)
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | if I had a history with them I would talk to them.
There is always a possiblity that it wasn't the training but that the animal is just a puke, it happens. So talk to them and see what they say.
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Location: Nebraska | I would talk to them too. Maybe she just isn't mentally mature enough. |
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Location: OH | 1DSoon - 2017-05-24 12:27 PM if I had a history with them I would talk to them.
There is always a possiblity that it wasn't the training but that the animal is just a puke, it happens. So talk to them and see what they say.
I don't personally have a history---I had just recommended for people to send some of our colts to them that they had bought off of us. At this time there are 3 others there that are owned by customers.
As far as a puke, I guess anything is possible but I highly doubt it.
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Location: OH | brlracerchick - 2017-05-24 12:33 PM I would talk to them too. Maybe she just isn't mentally mature enough.
I thought this of her as a 2 years old so I put ten rides on her and turned her back out. Brought her back in February and she was like a different horse. I personally put 30 days on her---the reason I sent her out was just that I wanted some consistent time on her and wet saaddle blankets. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | So they didnt ride her for you when you picked her up? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Did you convey exactly what you wanted done with her in 60 days? Did they just think you wanted her ridden in the round pen?
Did you convey you wanted wet saddle blankets to be done in the pasture/pushing cows/loping barrels/ etc?
Did you ask for an end result? something that you wanted her to know after the 60 days? Or did you just say "Ride her for 60 days"?
I find a lot of the time that some trainers vision for 60days is a lot different than others vision for one after 60 days.
Maybe talk to them and see exactly what your 60 days got you. And maybe next time convey to them what you want to accomplish in those 60 days.  |
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Location: OH | Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-24 12:56 PM So they didnt ride her for you when you picked her up?
No---a friend that lived closer picked her up and they rode her for her. They lunged her before getting on which should have been a red flag right then. After 60 days I would not expect one to need lunged. My fault---I should have went, this was just not a scenario I had imagined. Again---my fault. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-24 12:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-05-24 12:56 PM So they didnt ride her for you when you picked her up? No---a friend that lived closer picked her up and they rode her for her. They lunged her before getting on which should have been a red flag right then. After 60 days I would not expect one to need lunged. My fault---I should have went, this was just not a scenario I had imagined. Again---my fault.
Yep I would be talking to them in person about your filly and ask them if they were having any problems with her, I would not be wanting my horse having to be lunged after 60 days of riding, lol.. |
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Location: OH | IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-24 1:01 PM Did you convey exactly what you wanted done with her in 60 days? Did they just think you wanted her ridden in the round pen?
Did you convey you wanted wet saddle blankets to be done in the pasture/pushing cows/loping barrels/ etc?
Did you ask for an end result? something that you wanted her to know after the 60 days? Or did you just say "Ride her for 60 days"?
I find a lot of the time that some trainers vision for 60days is a lot different than others vision for one after 60 days.
Maybe talk to them and see exactly what your 60 days got you. And maybe next time convey to them what you want to accomplish in those 60 days.
Well---we thought we did. We wanted her ridden outside and some wet saddle blankets. Normal guiding and backing but nothing extreme. Told them that I did not want and counter arcing or trying to get her to work off leg pressure, we would handle that. They did tell us after 30 days that she had not been ridden outside much because of the weather which I understand. |
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Location: Claremore, OK | >Well---we thought we did. We wanted her ridden outside and some wet saddle blankets. Normal guiding and backing but nothing extreme. Told them that I did not want and counter arcing or trying to get her to work off leg pressure, we would handle that. They did tell us after 30 days that she had not been ridden outside much because of the weather which I understand.
Moving off leg pressure, counter arcing, or at least picking up shoulders is a big component of the foundation that helps the horse to steer and stay between the reins.
I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but if I don't have some body control I can't advance the horse.
Given you're request, I don't know why your surprised that she just lopes circles ? |
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Location: OH | Liana D - 2017-05-24 1:22 PM >Well---we thought we did. We wanted her ridden outside and some wet saddle blankets. Normal guiding and backing but nothing extreme. Told them that I did not want and counter arcing or trying to get her to work off leg pressure, we would handle that. They did tell us after 30 days that she had not been ridden outside much because of the weather which I understand. Moving off leg pressure, counter arcing, or at least picking up shoulders is a big component of the foundation that helps the horse to steer and stay between the reins. I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but if I don't have some body control I can't advance the horse. Given you're request, I don't know why your surprised that she just lopes circles ?
Valid point. |
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Location: Deep South | Liana D - 2017-05-24 12:22 PM
>Well---we thought we did. We wanted her ridden outside and some wet saddle blankets. Normal guiding and backing but nothing extreme. Told them that I did not want and counter arcing or trying to get her to work off leg pressure, we would handle that. They did tell us after 30 days that she had not been ridden outside much because of the weather which I understand.
Moving off leg pressure, counter arcing, or at least picking up shoulders is a big component of the foundation that helps the horse to steer and stay between the reins.
I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but if I don't have some body control I can't advance the horse.
Given you're request, I don't know why your surprised that she just lopes circles ?
I agree with this 100%. |
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Location: OH | BamaCanChaser - 2017-05-24 1:55 PM Liana D - 2017-05-24 12:22 PM >Well---we thought we did. We wanted her ridden outside and some wet saddle blankets. Normal guiding and backing but nothing extreme. Told them that I did not want and counter arcing or trying to get her to work off leg pressure, we would handle that. They did tell us after 30 days that she had not been ridden outside much because of the weather which I understand. Moving off leg pressure, counter arcing, or at least picking up shoulders is a big component of the foundation that helps the horse to steer and stay between the reins. I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ but if I don't have some body control I can't advance the horse. Given you're request, I don't know why your surprised that she just lopes circles ? I agree with this 100%.
The just loping circles is not my concern----I went to set a pad on her and she started flinching scared and then I could hardly get a bit in her mouth---she started throwning her head. Had her teeth done prior to going---so that is not an issue. For me---it just doesn't seem like she was messed with as much as she should have been. Who knows---maybe I was just expecting more than I should have. |
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Location: Missouri | That makes me wonder if she was ramrodded around on..maybe manhandled too much? |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-24 12:10 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-05-24 1:01 PM Did you convey exactly what you wanted done with her in 60 days? Did they just think you wanted her ridden in the round pen?
Did you convey you wanted wet saddle blankets to be done in the pasture/pushing cows/loping barrels/ etc?
Did you ask for an end result? something that you wanted her to know after the 60 days? Or did you just say "Ride her for 60 days"?
I find a lot of the time that some trainers vision for 60days is a lot different than others vision for one after 60 days.
Maybe talk to them and see exactly what your 60 days got you. And maybe next time convey to them what you want to accomplish in those 60 days.
Maybe you are a more advanced "trainer" than you thought ;)
I understand you wanting her started sooner because of weather at your house but maybe they aren't the best fit for your needs.
I would still give them a call and talk it out. If you two can shake hands per say after the conversation I would send people their way who just want horses broke. Maybe not the ones who need 60 days of wet saddle blankets. If you can't shake hands then I would just move on. No sense in shaming them in my opinion. Just don't send anyone their way again.  |
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Location: Oakdale, CA | lesson learned no more refferrals and no complaints......................
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Location: OH | Thanks everyone for all the input. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Mighty Broke - 2017-05-24 7:05 PM Thanks everyone for all the input.
Let us know how it goes. |
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