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| so went to let dog out and heard my mare going nuts grabbed a flash light ran out to see what was going on and neighbors Shetland stud was in our pasture chasing my mare and my gelding was out. I separated stud and my mare caught gelding who was cut to hell, after a hour working stud in my dry lot with flashlight in my mouth got him caught and took home, all this 2 am after doctoring gelding checked my mare no cuts but sure enough she's in heat. so need advice do I call vet asap tomorrow or wait till the vet comes for shots on June 19th my mare should not can not have a foal town ordinance states 2 horses only, she is just ready for seasoning this year and i would not breed to a Shetland if I did want to breed her. neighbor refuses to cut stud as she thinks it's traumatizing, he has already bred her daughter's mare resulting in a foal, now he is breaking thru my pasture fence causing my horses to be injured and possibly knocked up a
and all neighbor can say is sorry I don't think he could reach in like my mare 14.2 he just bred a 13.4 mare that you said oh he can't reach ougggggggghhh!
please please help
how to I make sure my mare not bred? |
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| So you don't waste time and money ...
Wait 16 days and have your vet do
a sonogram and pinch off anything
he sees ... this way you are sure there
is nothing in there ..
Mean while back at the ranch ..
if you get another visit from studly ...
load him up to the vets and make
him a happy gelding ....
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Location: southeast Texas | Taking someone else's animal in to get brain surgery can land you in a mess of hot water.
Find out the laws of your county / parish concerning stud horses. The county I used to live in, it was the owners responsibility to contain a stud horse.
I would also look in to filing a small claims. |
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| Contact your vet and come up with a game plan, there's a few different options I believe from a shot not to waiting for an ultrasound and pinching. You pay your vet, take their advice.
Meanwhile discuss the situation with the local sheriff and find out what the local county laws are. Minimum I would send the neighbors related vet bills as well as bills for the damage to your fence. Money usually makes things happen. |
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Location: OH | Talk to your vet and just get a shot of Lutalyse. |
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Location: Texas | Yes, visit the vet for a shot of Lutalyse for the mare. Take the gelding along and have all his cuts taken care of. Send neighbor the bill. That might change her mind about gelding the Shetland. |
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| thank you, bad part of it all is we are friends with neighbors my son plays with her kids, she's just the oh I love horses own 5 and only one can be rode person I'm mean iv tried helping, iv brought up her not needing a stud at all a few times, and last night she goes I'm so sorry I don't know how he got out none of the other horses are out I'm like that what happens when u own a stud they get out to be with mares.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How can she have 5 horses and you say that the town ordinance states 2 horses only? |
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I would get a large bottle of lutalyse because everytime your mare comes in heat the pony will be out again.
I do not think you have a leg to stand on as far as getting any money. Ask if she will give you the little shiit in lieu of vet bills and get rid of him. At least if you sell him you can recoup some of your bills and the problem is gone. |
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Location: Texas | goldy2016 - 2017-05-30 10:48 AM thank you, bad part of it all is we are friends with neighbors my son plays with her kids, she's just the oh I love horses own 5 and only one can be rode person I'm mean iv tried helping, iv brought up her not needing a stud at all a few times, and last night she goes I'm so sorry I don't know how he got out none of the other horses are out I'm like that what happens when u own a stud they get out to be with mares.
When her attitude interferes with the health and well being of YOUR horses, she needs to learn the hard lesson of paying for her stupidity - friends or not. |
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| town limit is middle of the road so she's out of town
gelding scratches are fine nothing to deep but could have been worse.
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| ya probably won't happen she insists he is so well behaved and has very good shetland blood lines so don't need to be cut and he her son's pony, yet little sob can't be caught has bit her son kicks no respect and omg stiff as a board don't know how to lead. im like face palm |
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| streakysox - 2017-05-30 11:02 AM
I would get a large bottle of lutalyse because everytime your mare comes in heat the pony will be out again.
I do not think you have a leg to stand on as far as getting any money. Ask if she will give you the little shiit in lieu of vet bills and get rid of him. At least if you sell him you can recoup some of your bills and the problem is gone.
he cant get into our drylot as long as I have horses shut in, I had a feeling this was gonna happen and left horses out but yesterday was my only day off in 2 weeks working 10hr days so I was playing catch up scrubbing tank scooping manure and getting fly system set up in barn, dident notice mare was showing signs of heat, so I have my self to kick to. |
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| Umm, don[t kick yourself, kick her. Really, your horses were on your property so they should be safe from little pony stud terrorists. Next time, pen him up, call the sheriff department and have them come pick him up. That might wake her up to her responsibilities. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | First don't panic. You have up to 3 months to figure out if your mare is pregnant and to deal with that.
Next find out what your county/state's laws are regarding stallions. I live in a state that I'm responsible for fencing others animals out of my property.
At least, cattle that's true. It seems backward but that's what it is. I'm not sure about stallions. That may be different. You need to have a come to Jesus meeting with your neighbor about the problem. I would show her the vet bills to let her know the gravity of the situation. If I couldn't get co-operation from her about gelding the pony, I would call animal control or your sheriff/whatever law enforcement agency that has jurisdiction and let them handle it.
This is why there is a saying "Good fences make good neighbors". I've been unhappy with my own neighbors lately. They have 2 dogs and 2 goats that are constantly out on the highway and in my yard. I have to keep my own gate to my driveway closed to keep them out. It's a PITA. But not nearly as bad as you're going through. |
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| thank you all so much for the advise, I'm waiting for vet to call me back.
have any of you used the shot before any side effects how pricey is it? |
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| goldy2016 - 2017-05-30 11:41 AM thank you all so much for the advise, I'm waiting for vet to call me back. have any of you used the shot before any side effects how pricey is it?
Its about $20 a shot. It will make the mare sweat and possibly act a little colicy. The vet will advise you on the timing of the shot. |
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| thank you knew a shot existed but never needed to know more about it till now, would be very interested in your experiences with it. |
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Location: OH. IO | Take photos of geldings injuries.call and make a report.dont take the pony home next time.make them come to you.keep all vet bills including the shot.find out what your laws are and follow suit.you shouldn't HAVE to know when your mare is in heat.shes on your property.MAKE THEM FOLLOWS THE LAWS AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PONY! |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | I always want to be friendly with my neighbors...but she is not a friend if she thinks saying sorry is all it takes to rectify the situation. She needs to know you will now need to subject your mare to the shot and/or whatever other exam/procedures are needed to make certain this dalliance doesn't result in an unwanted foal. She needs to pay that bill. She also needs to either re-work her fence or pay for you to increase the security of yours. And...she needs to know about the injury to your gelding and how this time it wasn't serious...but it sure could have been.
Now...will she likely pay that bill? Probably not without you having to get ugly about it...but by at least making sure she is aware of these consequences...she will have no excuse for not doing whatever it takes to keep the little marauder on her own property.
If he gets on your place again...either pen him and make him come get him...or call animal control. Harsh maybe...but she is going to cause injury to someone or their horses by her negligence. |
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Id add slick HOT WIRE to your fencing. Top, middle and bottom rows so he gets LIT when he tries going through your fence again.. Call your vet and ask which way is best. Shot now or pinch later.. I also agree with sending her ALL your vet bills for that and the geldings cuts from the incident. Best of luck!!
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| The stud is just going to get worse, you will need to figure out what is more important, your animals or your friendship.
You can also try marbling your mare so she doesn't come into heat. |
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| Most states are fence out laws. Meaning it's up to YOU to fence someone else's animal out of your property. You need it figure out what your specific state says about it. More than likely, the neighbor will not be responsible for the bills. I agree with running hot wire and lighting him up. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Here is a link to find your state's fencing laws and your legal right to compensation for vet bills, etc.......many states are "fence in" with the exceptions of the western states and those who have free range laws.
http://nationalaglawcenter.org/state-compilations/fence-laws/ |
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Well,according to this, in Texas, if my neighbors jackass gets in with my broodmares I am SOL. I have news for you. i keep the number of a backhoe operator in my cell phone. Remember the 3 S's?
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Looks like Arkansas has us covered if any neighbor decides to own a marauding little stud pony.
§ 2-39-108. Animals breaking into enclosures
If any horse, cattle, or other stock shall break into any enclosure or if any hog, pig, or shoat
shall break into any enclosure, the owner of the creature shall:
(1) For the first trespass, make reparation to the party injured for the true value of the damages
he or she may have sustained;
(2) For every trespass after the first trespass, double damages to be recovered with costs, before
any justice of the peace or court having jurisdiction over the trespass, in the name of the injured
party; and
(3) For the third offense from any animal named breaking into the enclosure, the party injured
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wow this link is amazing thank you never knew states had so many laws bout fence, pretty much says let sherriff take care of it next time. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Our state says "page not found". Which is pretty much the same response I got when I called about dogs chasing my horses. They said I can just shoot them. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Dash4KJ - 2017-05-30 4:03 PM Id add slick HOT WIRE to your fencing. Top, middle and bottom rows so he gets LIT when he tries going through your fence again.. Call your vet and ask which way is best. Shot now or pinch later.. I also agree with sending her ALL your vet bills for that and the geldings cuts from the incident. Best of luck!!
Yep I agree on the hot wire, make sure the hot wire is on his side and like Krystal said let him lite himself up.. 
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| as to the bills document like you have if shhe will not reimburse you check with small claims court very easy pictures and document coursey and will win but have 2 of everthing for judge and defendent
clear consise no rambling will get u ur $$ back |
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Location: SE KS | Look like in Kansas you can "keep" him til she pays the bill (unless I misinterpreted)
29-408. Taking trespassing animals into possession
If any of the animals mentioned in this act break free of their lawful enclosure, and trespass on
land owned by another person, the owner or occupant of the land may take into possession such
animal trespassing, and keep the same until damages, with reasonable charges for feeding and
keeping, and all costs of suit, be paid, to be recovered in any court of competent jurisdiction.
29-409. Cruelty to domestic animals; damages
If any person or corporation shall hurt, wound, kill, lame or destroy, or cause to be hurt,
wounded, killed, lamed or destroyed, by running over or against, shooting, worrying with dogs,
or otherwise, any of the animals mentioned in this act, when such animals are upon premises
which are not enclosed with a sufficient fence as prescribed in this act, or when any such
animals are upon the unenclosed premises of any such person or corporation, such person or
corporation so offending shall satisfy and pay the owner of any such animal or animals full
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Location: Gainesville, TX | streakysox - 2017-05-31 10:33 AM
Well,according to this, in Texas, if my neighbors jackass gets in with my broodmares I am SOL. I have news for you. i keep the number of a backhoe operator in my cell phone. Remember the 3 S's?
That is incorrect. You are responsible ONLY if your fence is "insufficient", which they define. Otherwise it is a class c misdemeanor. And there are other issues of liability with owning a stud, not because of breeding other animals but beating them up and potentially causing harm, which studs of any size are capable of. Owning a stallion is a bit like owning a pit bull. They can make great animals but they are a major liability and you had better be prepared to take care or things. If you are friends, ask her nicely to cover the vet expenses and build stronger fence. Yes prepare on your end but you should be able to let your horses out without worrying so much. And some horses will go through hot wire, not many, but a few for a mare. If its at all possible, he needs his own PIPE pen. Part of owning a stallion is being responsible with him. This NEVER should have happened. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | If they don't pay, then contact your sheriff or animal control. Remember if your son is going over there to play this animal could be an issue. Stallions have MEGA strength in their jaws, big cheeks right, and have been known to bite hard enough to crush a skull or break bones. If he is not well maintained, you may be looking at an ER visit way more costly than some cuts and one shot. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | We are good friends with both of our neighbors. 2 year old Clydesdale stud got in with my mare a few too many times. I called animal control the last time and she had to pick him up from animal services. Sheriff also visited her and informed her that the bill for all of my mare's care would be sent to her. This would make the third time Seriff had to come out and inform her to keep her stud home.
She threw a fit and said it was our fault for leaving a mare in heat in the pasture. The sheriff laughed in her face and said she can either keep him penned up or the next time animal services comes to get him they will geld him.
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help!! neighbors stud got in with my mare + vent