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| What can everyone tell me about horses that are "over the knee"???
I'm looking at a Desirio daughter that is out of a money earning Mr Eye Opener mare that is off the track as a future broodmare.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/eye+on+desirio
She is absolutely beautiful to look at, big hip, short back, sloping shoulder, good wither, straight, good feet ect. Seems to have a great disposition for a track mare. Stands about 15.2hh as a three year old. Won over $11,000, SI 92, qualified for three futurities. Coming off the track sound.
Her one down fall is she is slightly over the knees. Right knee more then left.
From what I have been told is this is not a genetic fault, result of injury, nutrition, something that sounds like lots of track horses have. ????
Mares of this pedigree and performance caliber rarely come up for sale in my location but I would like more insight in this. I also believe her pedigree will cross well on more barrel influenced stallions with the Strawfly Special and Sixarun in there.
As breeding season is basically done I would like to restart her and ride her this summer and winter and then see how that goes then possibly breed her next spring.
Inform me please :)
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| I don't mind a horse over at the knee. I've known several field hunters and a couple jumpers still happily doing their jobs in their late 20's who were over at the knee.
But, the unevenness would bother me a lot. If she's uneven in the knees, she's uneven somewhere else too, whether a shoulder or a bone chip or whatever, I would be very hesitant to being her on for hard work. And I don't believe in breeding nice papers until the horse had proven itself doing a strenuous job and starting sound for at least a couple years. A year is enough time to discern talent, but not soundness. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | It's not a problem for me. I don't have any like that right now. But I used to have a mare that was over in the knee. She was AA and had a mostly TB pedigree. I raised three foals o/o her. The two oldest ones I kept for a very long time after. Neither were over in the knee and none of their babies (at least 10 babies between them for me) were over in the knee either. I think it's more of a cosmetic issue. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I have one thats over in the knees, never had a problem never been lame. hes 23 years old and still sound.. |
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| I would definitely rather have one over at the knee then the other way around, and it wouldn't bother me. It's strange that it's uneven though and that means she's uneven somewhere somewhere else so I would check that out |
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| That was in the fall of her two year old year |
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Location: Texas | I think she looks great. Wouldn't let it bother me at all. |
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| I have one that is over at the knee. No issues whatsoever. |
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| Over in the knee is much better than back at the knee. Back at the knee always have more problems than over. We've had a lot of horses off the track over the years. Not one came home over in the knee that went there normal. That just doesn't happen. JMHO but whoever told you that is selling you a bill of goods. It is almost always genetic. If the track caused it, I wouldn't say the horse is sound.
This filly had 8 outs as a 2 year old. That's quite a few for a 2 year old. She never earned her ROM. If I were the one buying her, I'd probably have her knees and ankles xrayed just for my own peace of mind. |
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| The picture wasn't up yet when I was typing my reply. Those knees wouldn't bother me if that's the way she was born. If someone with connections to the horse is telling you it's common for horses to develop that at the track, I'd xray.
Although if she's going to be a broodmare, it doesn't matter. Takin On The Cash was over in the knee. We've had nuermous own get of his and none are over like he was. Even for breeding purposes, a slight over in the knee is fine.
Edited by SKM 2017-06-13 5:03 PM
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| SKM - 2017-06-13 4:55 PM
Over in the knee is much better than back at the knee. Back at the knee always have more problems than over. We've had a lot of horses off the track over the years. Not one came home over in the knee that went there normal. That just doesn't happen. JMHO but whoever told you that is selling you a bill of goods. It is almost always genetic. If the track caused it, I wouldn't say the horse is sound.
This filly had 8 outs as a 2 year old. That's quite a few for a 2 year old. She never earned her ROM. If I were the one buying her, I'd probably have her knees and ankles xrayed just for my own peace of mind.
When I looked her up on AQHA the records it showed she earned her ROM? In 5 of her 8 starts as a two year old she earned a SI over 80. Correct me if I am wrong as I am very new to the "race" world but I thought they had to receive a SI of 80 or over in a AQHA approved race to get a ROM.
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| SKM - 2017-06-13 4:59 PM
The picture wasn't up yet when I was typing my reply. Those knees wouldn't bother me if that's the way she was born. If someone with connections to the horse is telling you it's common for horses to develop that at the track, I'd xray.
Although if she's going to be a broodmare, it doesn't matter. Takin On The Cash was over in the knee. We've had nuermous own get of his and none are over like he was. Even for breeding purposes, a slight over in the knee is fine.
So if she wasn't born that way, would it be the result of some kind of injury? Or growing to fast?
When she was a yearling she was at a yearling sale I went to but I don't remember what her legs looked like then cause that was two years ago...
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| With A Rebel Yell - 2017-06-13 4:33 PM
SKM - 2017-06-13 4:55 PM
Over in the knee is much better than back at the knee. Back at the knee always have more problems than over. We've had a lot of horses off the track over the years. Not one came home over in the knee that went there normal. That just doesn't happen. JMHO but whoever told you that is selling you a bill of goods. It is almost always genetic. If the track caused it, I wouldn't say the horse is sound.
This filly had 8 outs as a 2 year old. That's quite a few for a 2 year old. She never earned her ROM. If I were the one buying her, I'd probably have her knees and ankles xrayed just for my own peace of mind.
When I looked her up on AQHA the records it showed she earned her ROM? In 5 of her 8 starts as a two year old she earned a SI over 80. Correct me if I am wrong as I am very new to the "race" world but I thought they had to receive a SI of 80 or over in a AQHA approved race to get a ROM.
I looked her up onEquibase and it had a high of 78. I'd trust AQHA over Equibase though. Equibase changed the format and I don't think the info is correct now. |
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| With A Rebel Yell - 2017-06-13 4:38 PM
SKM - 2017-06-13 4:59 PM
The picture wasn't up yet when I was typing my reply. Those knees wouldn't bother me if that's the way she was born. If someone with connections to the horse is telling you it's common for horses to develop that at the track, I'd xray.
Although if she's going to be a broodmare, it doesn't matter. Takin On The Cash was over in the knee. We've had nuermous own get of his and none are over like he was. Even for breeding purposes, a slight over in the knee is fine.
So if she wasn't born that way, would it be the result of some kind of injury? Or growing to fast?
When she was a yearling she was at a yearling sale I went to but I don't remember what her legs looked like then cause that was two years ago...
Probably an injury. Typically if they grow too fast, it works itself out eventually. When it's growth related, the bones grow faster than the tendons so it makes them over. Slow the bone growth back down and the tendons catch up after awhile. Or that's what happens in malnourished babies at least.
She honestly doesn't look that over to me. Maybe pm Casualdust and ask her opinion. She just graduated vet school and might be more help. |
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| Thank you for all the replies.
Any other insight people can offer me??
So far things are looking like good :)
Thanks |
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| With A Rebel Yell - 2017-06-13 5:38 PM
SKM - 2017-06-13 4:59 PM
The picture wasn't up yet when I was typing my reply. Those knees wouldn't bother me if that's the way she was born. If someone with connections to the horse is telling you it's common for horses to develop that at the track, I'd xray.
Although if she's going to be a broodmare, it doesn't matter. Takin On The Cash was over in the knee. We've had nuermous own get of his and none are over like he was. Even for breeding purposes, a slight over in the knee is fine.
So if she wasn't born that way, would it be the result of some kind of injury? Or growing to fast?
When she was a yearling she was at a yearling sale I went to but I don't remember what her legs looked like then cause that was two years ago...
Go find her purchase price and compare it to the prices of others
in the sale ... this will tell you that defects were seen or not.
Equibase uses the speed indexes directly from the race charts
from the track ..
AQHA puts the 3 year formula to work for that particular track
and it usually adds 2-4 numbers to the speed index on the chart.
Over at the knee is a genetic defect... and not man made!!
I would look for crooked front legs since one is more
pronounced than the other leg... plus a club foot.
If you buy her ... stay away from Doc Bar and don't add anymore
Special Effort to her bloodlines.
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2017-06-15 12:28 PM
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| I have a gelding that has legs almost exactly like that - he's only over at the knee, very slightly, on one. I don't know a lot about his history (got him from a kill pen), but I do own his full sister and have spoken with the breeder. I kind of wonder, in his case, if it was a growth related thing. He is only 14.2, but has the cannon bones of a horse that should be a full hand taller. His sister is 15.1-2 and parents were 15.2 & 16 hands.
The only trouble I ever have with him is when he's getting his feet trimmed and has to stand on the bad leg, he will kind of buckle like he can't keep that leg straight. He'll occassionally do the same thing under saddle if you're just standing around and he kinda dozes off and will sometimes have to catch himself. |
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Location: Central Texas | I purchased a mare in October that had an injury to her knee as a yearling. She has a small scar but has scar tissue on the tendon that runs on top of her knee and so it makes it look like she's over the knee. This might be what you are seeing. Just make sure you get a vet check. In my case, my vet told me after xrays and ultrasound that I shouldn't ever have an issue with it other than arthritis when she gets older. I've been running her since January, no issues yet, she's only getting faster :) |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | With A Rebel Yell - 2017-06-13 2:40 PM
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Beautiful horse. Doesn't look over in the knee to me. Looks perfect.
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