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Location: SW MO | Hey all. I have not logged on to BHW for several months- I am out of the horse business entirely now. It has came to my attention that a horse I trained and sold with full disclosure is now being offered for sale again- after being purchased on the basis of a forever home. The horse is blatantly misrepresented, and I can prove that with vet records. What would you do in this situation? Honestly, I feel like its cruel to allow someone to buy a horse that needs maintained in order to run on the premise that is has never and does not need maintained. Thoughts?
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| If I were to do anything, I'd contact the sellers directly and tell them you saw the ad and express your concern. I would not just go blasting them (whether they deserve it or not). This stuff happens more often than not, it's a buyer beware world out there! |
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Location: SW MO | I am not trying to blast them by any means. |
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| I probably would say something to the seller. And not to blast or stir things but you bet I would tell my friends.
My brothers wife was looking at a horse a few months ago and someone called me as a courtesy to let me know that horse was DANGEROUS on the pattern and had been out to pasture because of that reason. I was able to alert my sister in law. Thank gosh someone spoke up. She could have been seriously hurt. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | If my brand was on him or my name affiliated with him in any way- you're dang right I would contact them. There is no reason for your representation to be slaughtered when they know the truth. This is why I'm probably not the greatest horse salesman... I disclose every detail about the few I sell, and I don't sell anything dangerous or crippled. Any issues or slight maintenance is FULLY disclosed on my part. This is why I hate selling horses- people just aren't very honest anymore. |
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| We all need to take care of each other, but this is an excellent reminder why we need to be more responsible as buyers. The resources are out there, if buyers are responsible and patient enough to use them. With time, research, and a thorough pre-purchase exam, each buyer can prevent disaster.
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| There is a horse on BHW and on FB that is being misrepresented right now. I have tagged the ad on FB and I have NO PROBLEM contacting the potential buyers just to let them know the seller is a fraud. The seller is marketing the gelding right now for over ten thousand dollars. Last time I checked that was a good chunk of money. Bash away if you want, I know If it were myself as the potential purchaser I would want to know the low down on the truth. 
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Location: Kansas | Ashley Lynn - 2017-06-14 9:33 PM If my brand was on him or my name affiliated with him in any way- you're dang right I would contact them. There is no reason for your representation to be slaughtered when they know the truth. This is why I'm probably not the greatest horse salesman... I disclose every detail about the few I sell, and I don't sell anything dangerous or crippled. Any issues or slight maintenance is FULLY disclosed on my part. This is why I hate selling horses- people just aren't very honest anymore.
this. I sold a gelding with my brand on him, sold full disclosure. Little did I know she was a horse trader. She drugged him, then recorded him running the barrel pattern with little fuss. If he wasn't drugged, he wouldnt have ran the pattern. She posted him on BHW for 3x the amount i sold him for, and sold him as sound and sane (which he was far from that). Poor woman bought him, and he ended up breaking her arm i believe. She called AQHA for my phone number, and I gave her full disclosure of his issues over the phone. |
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| SpaceCowboy - 2017-06-14 1:31 PM
If I were to do anything, I'd contact the sellers directly and tell them you saw the ad and express your concern. I would not just go blasting them (whether they deserve it or not). This stuff happens more often than not, it's a buyer beware world out there!
I agree with telling the seller about your concerns, but I would also tell them that if anyone calls you about the horse, you will be totally honest with them. Your name is on the line too. |
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Location: Georgia | luckyjo - 2017-06-15 8:47 AM We all need to take care of each other, but this is an excellent reminder why we need to be more responsible as buyers. The resources are out there, if buyers are responsible and patient enough to use them. With time, research, and a thorough pre-purchase exam, each buyer can prevent disaster.
Agreed. Sellers misrepresent horses all the time. I see it almost daily on my Facebook. I called the previous owner about the last horse I purchased, who happened to be a member on BHW. She was very upfront with all of the horses small quirks. I ended up purchasing the horse and I still have her 5 years later. To the OP, if it was a horse I had previously owned, I think I would have to call the seller out. Privately at first and then publicly if the ad wasnt removed. |
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| i would notify the people who run barrel horse world, so they can make take ad down. |
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| Just being devils advocate here... can horses not get over past lameness and behavioral issues? Ive bought "broodmare sound only" mares before to breed and ended up with a really nice sound barrel horse with some minor shoeing changes. I also have a "dangerous in the gate" mare that has walked in flat footed and calm every single time without any drugs etc. I hope if I list these horses for what they are which IS sound and sane... previous owners won't get salty. Before I get jumped on, yes there are people that will misrepresent a horse, like I said I'm just trying to see it from both sides. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I would contact the seller with your concerns. I had tried out a horse a few years back and it was not as broke as was advertised and my daughter ended up with a broken back due to it. I saw a post on facebook through a friend of a friend kind of thing and seen that they had purchased the horse for their daughter. I contacted my friend and asked her advice and on her advice I contacted the new owner and gave full disclosure about our experience with this horse. I wished her well, and just wanted her to be 100% informed on history. The new buyer was very appreciative and receptive to it. As far as I know they still have him and he's a talented mid level jumper. So if nothing more than to give yourself a clear conscious I would contact the seller. |
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Location: Home on the Range | Supernel8 - 2017-06-15 9:27 AM There is a horse on BHW and on FB that is being misrepresented right now. I have tagged the ad on FB and I have NO PROBLEM contacting the potential buyers just to let them know the seller is a fraud. The seller is marketing the gelding right now for over ten thousand dollars. Last time I checked that was a good chunk of money. Bash away if you want, I know If it were myself as the potential purchaser I would want to know the low down on the truth.
Well, now that you have us wondering "which" horse you are referring to, you should let us know which horse it is, since you are potentially throwing Shade on Every horse priced over $10k !!! This is a site where folks pay for their ads and I don't feel it very fair to them, to possibly make their horse suspect with innuendos! |
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| downngo - 2017-06-16 9:01 AM
Supernel8 - 2017-06-15 9:27 AM There is a horse on BHW and on FB that is being misrepresented right now. I have tagged the ad on FB and I have NO PROBLEM contacting the potential buyers just to let them know the seller is a fraud. The seller is marketing the gelding right now for over ten thousand dollars. Last time I checked that was a good chunk of money. Bash away if you want, I know If it were myself as the potential purchaser I would want to know the low down on the truth.
Usually you just PM for the info, cuts down on the drama. |
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Location: Deep South | gunner07 - 2017-06-15 12:04 PM
Just being devils advocate here... can horses not get over past lameness and behavioral issues? Ive bought "broodmare sound only" mares before to breed and ended up with a really nice sound barrel horse with some minor shoeing changes. I also have a "dangerous in the gate" mare that has walked in flat footed and calm every single time without any drugs etc. I hope if I list these horses for what they are which IS sound and sane... previous owners won't get salty. Before I get jumped on, yes there are people that will misrepresent a horse, like I said I'm just trying to see it from both sides.
This....
I listed a gelding for sale on Facebook. A girl who supposedly had owned him previously, commented on my post FOR EVERYONE TO SEE that she had owned this horse he was not sound, she named the injury and that vets told her he would never be riding sound.
To say I was ****ed, was a bit of an understatement. 1) I had the horse vetted when I bought him, which he passed 2) I had been riding him for about 6+ months before I listed him for re-sale, at no time was he ever unsound 3) I provided videos with the ad of me riding him, in which he was obviously moving perfectly fine.
If she had expressed her concerns to me by private message, asked for my side of the story before jumping to conclusions, then I might have been more open minded to what she had to say. But I take my reputation for being an honest seller very seriously. I was mad and embarrassed by the way she chose to handle it. |
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| Shoot me a message,, I have NO PROBLEM letting you know the ad number 
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | gunner07 - 2017-06-15 10:04 AM
Just being devils advocate here... can horses not get over past lameness and behavioral issues? Ive bought "broodmare sound only" mares before to breed and ended up with a really nice sound barrel horse with some minor shoeing changes. I also have a "dangerous in the gate" mare that has walked in flat footed and calm every single time without any drugs etc. I hope if I list these horses for what they are which IS sound and sane... previous owners won't get salty. Before I get jumped on, yes there are people that will misrepresent a horse, like I said I'm just trying to see it from both sides.
^^^ This.
The first thing I thought of when I read the title of this thread was, well what if the new owner/seller is a better horsewoman/man than the OP? I've had horses that people have said were x or y and they weren't any good. I've changed the shoeing and done some maintenance on them and they are fine again. Someone on this site used to say, horses are like eggs. They are perishable. Or something like that. ONE WEEK or even ONE DAY can make the difference between a sane, sound horse and a bloomin' idiot.
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Location: SW MO | OregonBR - 2017-06-16 12:18 PM
gunner07 - 2017-06-15 10:04 AM
Just being devils advocate here... can horses not get over past lameness and behavioral issues? Ive bought "broodmare sound only" mares before to breed and ended up with a really nice sound barrel horse with some minor shoeing changes. I also have a "dangerous in the gate" mare that has walked in flat footed and calm every single time without any drugs etc. I hope if I list these horses for what they are which IS sound and sane... previous owners won't get salty. Before I get jumped on, yes there are people that will misrepresent a horse, like I said I'm just trying to see it from both sides.
^^^ This.
The first thing I thought of when I read the title of this thread was, well what if the new owner/seller is a better horsewoman/man than the OP? I've had horses that people have said were x or y and they weren't any good. I've changed the shoeing and done some maintenance on them and they are fine again. Someone on this site used to say, horses are like eggs. They are perishable. Or something like that. ONE WEEK or even ONE DAY can make the difference between a sane, sound horse and a bloomin' idiot.
Alright, I see your side. However, last time I checked, without surgery most horses don't "get past" bone spurs in their joints. It is a little hard to say anything when you have no idea what the issues are with the horse. The current owner publicly retired this horse 3 months ago for a variety of reasons. Now the horse has no maintenance and "never has". |
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Location: SW MO | Additionally, I did not make the post to call out the seller. I genuinely care about this horse I know what the horse needs to perform. I don't want to see this horse being worked when I know that it is not being maintained to not only do its best but also not be in pain. Not to bash. |
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| For those of you reading this who do misrepresent horses don't you feel ashamed when your found out? My word and reputation is more valuable to me than a few hundred or thousand dollars? I made a video the other day for a girls she wanted a quick one,I didn't lope one way and she immediately thought the horse was one leaded,it's a shame things have come to this people really need to take pride in there word.honestly I take pride in my broke horses and I'd feel stupid to misrepresent them. |
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Location: sunny california | There is not a lot of shame nowadays. i have had students purposely fart in class and think it was funny. Upholding the family name is gone too. |
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| kwanatha - 2017-06-19 7:19 AM
There is not a lot of shame nowadays. i have had students purposely fart in class and think it was funny. Upholding the family name is gone too.
You get that to??? LOL I teach High school and there isint much I , or the security cameras, have not seen. |
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| people are all about the money I recently had a close friend price a horse that I wouldn't want for $25000. It was worth maybe 2500. I was very disappointed I don't know if They are clueless or think I am or just trying to impress me. |
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What do you do when you know a horse is being misrepresented?