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Location: Cocoa, Florida | This mare is a free running fool who can turn harder then she can run but I don't see much running except the jet smooth way in the back, anyone have or had anything close to these
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| Doc Bar and Sugar Bars horses can get out and flat GO when the right lines are put together.
ETA - Sugar Bars is the paternal grand sire of Firewater Flit ....
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| I have a Peppy San Badger and a Freckles Playboy and I have never breezed a racehorse or total racebred but it feels to me like those mares FLY when I breeze them up the hayfields!!
Doc Bar was bred to be a racehorse, Sugar Bars was by Three Bars, a Thoroughbred, and of course Jet Smooth.
ETA: Never doubt how a horse (In your case Jet Smooth, Lightning Bar, Three Bars...), even far back in the pedigree, can influence a horse.
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Location: Loco,Ok | Aside from the DB SB Little PeppySmooth Herman was a world champion open cutting. Solano can runPudden Head as good as it gets to do anything. Like have a boat load of them.Should run turn and anything you want to. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Good to know, I see a lot of the foundation but notice the running Is really far back so wondering if it's carried through all those generations or she's just a freak of nature lol, oh and she can turn, if I don't sit back I will go over her head!!!
I do plan on keeping her for a long while and possibly breeding her
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| RnRJack - 2017-06-23 8:44 PM
Good to know, I see a lot of the foundation but notice the running Is really far back so wondering if it's carried through all those generations or she's just a freak of nature lol, oh and she can turn, if I don't sit back I will go over her head!!!
I do plan on keeping her for a long while and possibly breeding her
Did she happen to come from the Buck Daniels ranch? I can't tell if she has more brands on the other side.
I just looked at my breakaway horse's papers... And think I just answered my own question! They have the same sire! :)
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Yes she was born And raised at the buck Daniels ranch and trained by Kristen & Jason hanchey :)
Is your horse red with a white blaze too? Many of his are red, he was a great rope horse!
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Which mare is he out of? Are you on Facebook? |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | 1DSoon - 2017-06-23 8:51 AM
Doc Bar was bred to be a runner but was an epic fail before he started cutting
I don't usually argue on these posts, but since you're the first one to call everyone else out, today I will make an exception. They never actually cut a single cow on Doc Bar. Do your research. He was and still is a pioneer of cutting bred stallions, but was never ridden into a heard of cattle. Just to bring you up to speed. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Speed_Demon1 - 2017-06-24 10:03 AM
No I'm not, he's out of Aeoros Miss Frances
I haven't heard of that one, are you in Florida as well? How do you like your gelding? Wish I could see a pic a lot of them look so much alike! |
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| Yes I am, between St. Augustine and Daytona! He's one of the coolest horses I've ever been on! He's very cowy, very quick, smart, a little lazy but he can be brought out of that quickly! I've only had him a little over a month and we are really starting to get together now (we had some "respect" issues to begin with ;) but he's out of that now!) a lot of the kids I hs rodeo with have these horses and we just happened to luck out and find him after going all the way to Texas to look at some!
This is about the only "full body" picture I have :)
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| Ashley Lynn - 2017-06-24 10:06 AM
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Doc Bar was bred to be a runner but was an epic fail before he started cutting
I don't usually argue on these posts, but since you're the first one to call everyone else out, today I will make an exception. They never actually cut a single cow on Doc Bar. Do your research. He was and still is a pioneer of cutting bred stallions, but was never ridden into a heard of cattle. Just to bring you up to speed.
First of all, in the late 50's, horses were used in every event. Racing started because cowboys started bragging about their horses and QHracing became popular. I used mine for everything for years and still take mine to an occasional judged show. Specialized breeding is fairly new. Doc Bar was born in 1956. Doc Bar was just another stallion until he was bred to Poco Lena, who lived just up the road from Ashley and me buy the way. Doc O Lena and Dry Doc were the horses that made Doc Bar a household name. Ashley wasn't around back then, but I was. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Ashley Lynn - 2017-06-24 11:06 AM 1DSoon - 2017-06-23 8:51 AM Doc Bar was bred to be a runner but was an epic fail before he started cutting I don't usually argue on these posts, but since you're the first one to call everyone else out, today I will make an exception. They never actually cut a single cow on Doc Bar. Do your research. He was and still is a pioneer of cutting bred stallions, but was never ridden into a heard of cattle. Just to bring you up to speed.
you're argueing with yourself.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Speed_Demon1 - 2017-06-24 11:32 AM
Yes I am, between St. Augustine and Daytona! He's one of the coolest horses I've ever been on! He's very cowy, very quick, smart, a little lazy but he can be brought out of that quickly! I've only had him a little over a month and we are really starting to get together now (we had some "respect" issues to begin with ;) but he's out of that now!) a lot of the kids I hs rodeo with have these horses and we just happened to luck out and find him after going all the way to Texas to look at some!
This is about the only "full body" picture I have :)
He is super cute, I'm glad you're happy with him, mine acts the same way, she really wants to work but can be lazy! Keep me updated |
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| A good family friend loves, bleeds this lines! All of them are surprisingly free runners and can turn like the dickens!!! I almost flipped backwards off one of them when I first ran her and then flipped over the front coming into the turn because she turned so hard. They are very hardy but always seem to take a little longer to get consistent. However, they are never a single focus so that might just be environment. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | stayceem - 2017-06-24 8:11 PM
A good family friend loves, bleeds this lines! All of them are surprisingly free runners and can turn like the dickens!!! I almost flipped backwards off one of them when I first ran her and then flipped over the front coming into the turn because she turned so hard. They are very hardy but always seem to take a little longer to get consistent. However, they are never a single focus so that might just be environment.
It has taken me two months just to run her at a high lope, I'm just now letting her gain some speed because she gets to the barrel so fast then gets down and turns so hard I have almost gone over her head a few times lol, now that I'm getting used to her I'm more confident but I really have to tell myself to sit back or she's gonna turn without me!!!
I'd take a million more like this one any day!
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Your mare has Leo San a couple of times in her background. His colts were famous in the cutting pen but he was originally bred to be a race horse, back when Quarter Horses were known for their quick speed out of the gates. Think of them like a muscle-car of the late 1960's- Camaro, GTO, etc. Those short bursts of speed- quick acceleration and deceleration is what you're feeling. I loved Leo San horses, especially crossed with Sugar Bars. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | cloverleaf - 2017-06-25 10:31 PM
Your mare has Leo San a couple of times in her background. His colts were famous in the cutting pen but he was originally bred to be a race horse, back when Quarter Horses were known for their quick speed out of the gates. Think of them like a muscle-car of the late 1960's- Camaro, GTO, etc. Those short bursts of speed- quick acceleration and deceleration is what you're feeling. I loved Leo San horses, especially crossed with Sugar Bars.
Thank you! Good to know, anytime I see Leo i always associate it with foundation so I've learned something new now!! |
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cloverleaf - 2017-06-25 10:31 PM
Your mare has Leo San a couple of times in her background. His colts were famous in the cutting pen but he was originally bred to be a race horse, back when Quarter Horses were known for their quick speed out of the gates. Think of them like a muscle-car of the late 1960's- Camaro, GTO, etc. Those short bursts of speed- quick acceleration and deceleration is what you're feeling. I loved Leo San horses, especially crossed with Sugar Bars.
Thank you! Good to know, anytime I see Leo i always associate it with foundation so I've learned something new now!!
Interesting read, I always associated him with foundation also until I read this
Leo
Inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 1989
The sorrel stallion had a busted knee and a stifle injury, yet Bud Warren paid $2,500 for 7-year-old Leo, and the state of Oklahoma laughed. It was not long before Leo quieted the critics.
The stallion was born in 1940 on John Wesley House’s place near Cameron, Texas. Leo was sired by Joe Reed II by Joe Reed, and out of Little Fanny also by Joe Reed.
In 1942, John W. Tillman of Pawhuska, Oklahoma, bought Leo for $750, and the sorrel won a number of races for him.
Tillman eventually sold Leo, and the stallion went through numerous owners before Bud Warren of Perry, Oklahoma, bought the sorrel in 1947.
Warren remarked in a Quarter Horse Journal interview, “I was the biggest chump in Oklahoma. Leo was crippled. He had a bad knee and he had a big stifle injury. His owner had been trying to sell him and I didn’t know it. He hadn’t got anybody to stick his neck out and buy him, and I was just a big sucker. So I mailed the check.”
It was the right decision, as Leo proved to be a prolific sire and is best remembered as a broodmare sire. Some of Leo’s better-known progeny were Croton Oil, Leo Tag, Leola, Robin Reed and Leo San. A few of the horses produced by Leo’s daughters were Sugar Rocket, Jet Threat, Coldstream Guard, Milk Rivers, Kid Meyers and Fairbars.
Leo was 23 when his left knee started giving him problems. The stallion would lie down to sleep or rest, but then was not able to get up without assistance. Eventually, Warren decided to put the sorrel down. Leo was buried on a hill across from the house.
Leo died in 1967 at 27, and was inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 1989.
https://www.aqha.com/museum/hall-of-fame/horses/l/leo/
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Your mare has Leo San a couple of times in her background. His colts were famous in the cutting pen but he was originally bred to be a race horse, back when Quarter Horses were known for their quick speed out of the gates. Think of them like a muscle-car of the late 1960's- Camaro, GTO, etc. Those short bursts of speed- quick acceleration and deceleration is what you're feeling. I loved Leo San horses, especially crossed with Sugar Bars.
Thank you! Good to know, anytime I see Leo i always associate it with foundation so I've learned something new now!!
Interesting read, I always associated him with foundation also until I read this
Leo
Inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 1989
The sorrel stallion had a busted knee and a stifle injury, yet Bud Warren paid $2,500 for 7-year-old Leo, and the state of Oklahoma laughed. It was not long before Leo quieted the critics.
The stallion was born in 1940 on John Wesley House’s place near Cameron, Texas. Leo was sired by Joe Reed II by Joe Reed, and out of Little Fanny also by Joe Reed.
In 1942, John W. Tillman of Pawhuska, Oklahoma, bought Leo for $750, and the sorrel won a number of races for him.
Tillman eventually sold Leo, and the stallion went through numerous owners before Bud Warren of Perry, Oklahoma, bought the sorrel in 1947.
Warren remarked in a Quarter Horse Journal interview, “I was the biggest chump in Oklahoma. Leo was crippled. He had a bad knee and he had a big stifle injury. His owner had been trying to sell him and I didn’t know it. He hadn’t got anybody to stick his neck out and buy him, and I was just a big sucker. So I mailed the check.”
It was the right decision, as Leo proved to be a prolific sire and is best remembered as a broodmare sire. Some of Leo’s better-known progeny were Croton Oil, Leo Tag, Leola, Robin Reed and Leo San. A few of the horses produced by Leo’s daughters were Sugar Rocket, Jet Threat, Coldstream Guard, Milk Rivers, Kid Meyers and Fairbars.
Leo was 23 when his left knee started giving him problems. The stallion would lie down to sleep or rest, but then was not able to get up without assistance. Eventually, Warren decided to put the sorrel down. Leo was buried on a hill across from the house.
Leo died in 1967 at 27, and was inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 1989.
https://www.aqha.com/museum/hall-of-fame/horses/l/leo/
Leo San
Inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 2014
Leo San was that outstanding stallion, sire of American Quarter Horse Hall of Famers Peppy San and Mr San Peppy.
Leo San, foaled in 1949, was by Leo and out of San Sue Darks by San Siemon. He was bred by H.H. Darks of Wetumka, Oklahoma. Gordon B. Howell, a pedigree student and longtime breeder from El Paso, Texas, was looking for exactly those bloodlines when he found Leo San as an 8-year-old in 1957.
Howell bought Leo San and began building a broodmare band to complement the sorrel stallion, including Peppy Belle, the dam of Peppy San and Mr San Peppy.
“He was a horse with a tremendous amount of action, and he was a tremendous athlete – very agile despite his size,” Howell told the Quarter Horse Journal in January 1970. “He was broke to ride and very gentle with a wonderful disposition. He passed that disposition on to his get. Anybody could handle the horse under normal circumstances.”
Leo San earned nearly $750 in National Cutting Horse Association competition, in an era when first place might earn just a few dollars.
Foals sired by Leo San earned 1,671 AQHA points in halter and 1,497 points in all performance divisions. He sired one world champion and the earners of $14,329 on the racetrack. His foals were shown in every AQHA event, and in NCHA competition, they earned $219,890.15 – again in an era of smaller purses.
Leo San died of a heart attack in 1968, but Howell used Leo San daughters to continue his breeding program. As late as 1999 – 31 years after the stallion’s death – he was still ranked among the top 10 paternal sires of American Quarter Horses. He was also an outstanding sire of dams. His daughter’s foals earned points and money in NCHA, National Reining Horse Association, National Reined Cow Horse Association, Palomino Horse Breeders of America and the International Buckskin Horse Association – plus $245,221 on the track.
Leo San was inducted into the American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame in 2014
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | This is Leo (in his later years). He was always a nickel's worth low in the back, a trait that he would happily pass on, lol. He's standing with his head high in this pic- something must have caught his attention because he wasn't naturally high headed. Bud Warren is at the lead.
My dad stood Leo San for Mr. Howell in his later years- he died and is buried on our old place at Gainesville, Tx. Mother bred one of her good mares, Flying May (by Hank H) to Leo San and got a really good stud, Leo San Siemon. San Siemon was such a phenomenal individual that he was worth more as a halter horse than a performance horse. However, he was broke to ride as a two year old. He was tied up saddled at the arena one day when Matlock stopped by. Daddy was just curious so he asked Matlock to "Lope him out there and stop him. Let's see what he can do." Matlock did and Leo San Siemon stopped so hard that Daddy said, "Get off him. We'll never ride him again." And they didn't. But that's how the Leo Sans were- stout, quick, athletic, willing. And **** good looking, to boot.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Wow this thread has really taught me some interesting history on what I thought was just "foundating" breeding! I'll never look at Leo on a set of papers the same again, I mean I know a lot of them go back to Leo and some of his great progeny but that's very cool information!
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | The "foundation" of the Quarter Horse breed was a horse that was blazing fast at a quarter of a mile. That they would also work a cow was a bonus. Joe Hancock used to work cattle all week and then get match-raced on the weekend. The specialization of the breed has only come about in the last forty years or so. Your mare also goes back to Midnight- through Peppy San Badger. There is a lot of interesting reading on him if you want to research him. The run may be a little ways back in your mare, but it sounds like you're doing well with her and having fun! I saw an old (restored) muscle-car today at the gas pump- it made me think of your mare and horses like her. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | cloverleaf - 2017-06-26 11:15 PM
The "foundation" of the Quarter Horse breed was a horse that was blazing fast at a quarter of a mile. That they would also work a cow was a bonus. Joe Hancock used to work cattle all week and then get match-raced on the weekend. The specialization of the breed has only come about in the last forty years or so. Your mare also goes back to Midnight- through Peppy San Badger. There is a lot of interesting reading on him if you want to research him. The run may be a little ways back in your mare, but it sounds like you're doing well with her and having fun! I saw an old (restored ) muscle-car today at the gas pump- it made me think of your mare and horses like her.
That's exciting, I always liked history! Thanks for the lessons and I know who to go to now for any more inquiries! |
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Location: Arkansas | cloverleaf - 2017-06-26 11:15 PM
The "foundation" of the Quarter Horse breed was a horse that was blazing fast at a quarter of a mile. That they would also work a cow was a bonus. Joe Hancock used to work cattle all week and then get match-raced on the weekend. The specialization of the breed has only come about in the last forty years or so. Your mare also goes back to Midnight- through Peppy San Badger. There is a lot of interesting reading on him if you want to research him. The run may be a little ways back in your mare, but it sounds like you're doing well with her and having fun! I saw an old (restored ) muscle-car today at the gas pump- it made me think of your mare and horses like her.
Thank you for the history you've brought up---I just love learning about the horses that the QH breed is founded upon and the stories that go with them. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I should change the name of this thread to quarter horse foundation & history!! |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Probably THE foundation of the Quarter Horse breed was Steel Dust. My dad used to talk about "Steel Dust horses." He always said it with a certain tone of respect in his voice- my dad grew up in North Texas and was a horseman before there was a Quarter Horse registry. There is a lot of interesting reading on the web about Steel Dust- one story that epitomizes those horses, though, as told by the son of the man who brought him to Texas, was that they were plowing with him when a stranger rode up on a horse that he was SURE could outrun Steel Dust. The man argued so that finally the dad unhitched Steel Dust from the plow, put the boy up on him, and the two horses raced. Steel Dust outran the other horse so badly that "it wasn't even a good race." |
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Location: OH. IO | Just wanted to say thanks for the great read.RnR enjoy that mare:) |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Thank you- I was fortunate to grow up around some pretty awesome horsemen and women. Unfortunately for me, I was just a tad too young to really take advantage of it. But, I have the stories. Dr. McCarroll once told me that I needed to write a book; I laughed and told him that some of the stories I knew should never be put into print. . . .
And yes, RnRJack, enjoy that mare! She will teach you more than you can ever imagine-
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Location: SE KS | This has been a awesome post - love the history and information.
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