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| *Yes her teeth have been done, chiro, vet, and all so none of those suggestions. She was started by a man with very heavy hands that uses a cavesson on everything.
Just favorite bits for horses that gape their mouths and are very sensitive and light.
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Location: Texas | Softer hands by the rider is a good cure for that, along with not balancing on the reins. |
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| Thanks but I'm looking for BIT suggestions from people who have had experience with this type of horse. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cgbarrelracer - 2017-06-23 4:00 PM Thanks but I'm looking for BIT suggestions from people who have had experience with this type of horse.
What type of bit do you have on this horse now? |
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| Her favorite so far is a chain mouth tender touch w a leather curb |
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| A mullen mouth, then I would play with shanks, gag, etc. to get the right feel.
Something else to think about is make sure you don't have her under bridled. Sometimes we think that by using less we are saving their mouth but then we begin to wrestle with them instead of getting immediate responses and they end up becoming dull and evading the contact. More isn't always bad. |
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| cgbarrelracer - 2017-06-23 4:35 PM
Her favorite so far is a chain mouth tender touch w a leather curb
That would be something I would try, she still gapes? |
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| I've now had two that were 'gapers.' The first was my rocket mare. She has -0- in the way of pallate concavity. She trained for the most part in a mullen mouth lifter. She needed the lift to complete her training to stay off the barrels. As she seasoned she got so strong that the mullen lifter was not enough whoa. She graduated into a futurity lifter with a large twisted mouth and copper dog bone/roller combo, special ordered from B&W. This combo only went on her when we were ready to run - she did her warm ups and works in a chain mouth offset or a hack.
My current colt in training is also VERY sensitive in his mouth. He has a slightly flat pallate but is just very sensitive in his mouth. Rides on the flat well in a hack, but hacks don't let you TRAIN well. His trainer is trying him on lots of bits right now to see what he will respond to best. I also rode him in a chain offset on the flat while he was home last year and he liked that bit. Again, not enough bit to train for the pattern, but I had him working well in it on the flat.
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Location: Loco,Ok | You can train in a hackamore if you know how. Horses today have such a shallow mouth. And if they are worried about the bit then.all trying to do is get away from the pressure. I have had many. Just put a anything in their mouth and you feel them become anxious. Take off put one I make one and they relax and ride off. Horses are more sensitive today than ever.When you trap them. They become anxious. If the horse is worried about any other thing they are not focusing on the job. I can show you. |
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| Can you PM me pics of your hacks? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have a mouth gaping head shaker that came to me evading bit pressure by doing both those things plus yanking his head to his knees. Bit wise, he needs a little tongue relief, he doesn't like his tongue trapped. But by far, I've gotten the most done in a little side pull hack with a leather curb--he's much more relaxed and receptive in it. I had trained a horse in a hack before so I knew it could be done. Some things are a little harder going that route, but having a horse really body broke goes a long ways towards making up for it. I'm pretty sure I could ride mine bridleless at this point, he is so tuned into subtle body cues. |
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Location: Phoenix | You could try something with a port--maybe she doesn't like anything on her tongue. I really like the ported-chain mouthpiece. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Something with no gag and not a 2 piece
When choosing a port pick something that is WIDE enough for the tongue - a lot of "ports" like the pretzel etc are too narrow so won't provide any tongue relief
O rings good too |
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Location: In my own world | If you don't think she is gaping from discomfort I would put a cavesson on. One trainer told me once you have to teach a horse to "carry the bit". He left it a little loose and on all the time. They had to eat with it and learned to hold it and not gape. Now he was a bit unorthodox |
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Location: Texas | I had one. A Hodges with chain mouth worked for her. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | Paul Humphrey
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| Good question! I am in the "bit trading business" lately with everything I've been trying! I had a lot of luck with loomis gag just getting her soft (still gapes and rolls her tonguq but she's soft.) After reading the comments here I ordered a mullen mouth short loose shank, also have a warner hack to try this week. |
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| MB02 myler worked perfect for my mare, it's only a d-ring but it's plenty of bit for her. She did like the chain start to finish bit but she wasn't near as soft in it. She was much softer in the s-hack.
New guy, I leave two holes looser. He has a fragile mentality and he's more confident when he actually holds the bit. He will do flat work in a hack but there is zero brakes at a run. The only thing he will not gape at is the chain piece.
The mare I'm selling would head shake and gape at EVERYTHING until I tried a thinner mouthpiece. No room in her mouth and a ridiculously thick tongue has made everything, including the myler uncomfortable to her. Also rode her with no wrinkles in the corner of her mouth. |
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Location: KS | I currently have 2 of them. One who has an abnormally small mouth-according to my equine dentist, and one who had his tongue nearly cut off by previous owner. Both horses are much more comfortable and relaxed in a hack. I have one that my husband made (sort of like the Clampitt ugly hack) that I ride in at home because I can still get the softness and flexion that I like when I work them, then I run in the Ed Wright swivel shank. I spent about a year going through bits with each one before I completly switched them both to the hack. |
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Location: Northwest | CJE - 2017-06-25 7:37 PM
Paul Humphrey
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This is what I am currently using on my gaper. It took three rides before he worked well in the bit (the first two he absolutely hated it). So it sat in my trailer for months and then I tried it again recently and he worked AMAZING in it. No gaping and beautiful collection (and sooooo light). I've tried using it on another horse and she HATES it. I've tried it twice on her but I'll try it a few more times before I give up. |
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| I rode mine in a Warner hack and a jr. cowhorse with chain mouth last night after reading comments here- chain mouth for the win! She was soft and happy- I have a new horse! Thanks all! |
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| If you work the horse in the round pen with no head gear does he stil gape his mouth? |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | 07milch - 2017-06-25 5:27 PM
CJE - 2017-06-25 7:37 PM
Paul Humphrey
Correction bit
This is what I am currently using on my gaper. It took three rides before he worked well in the bit (the first two he absolutely hated it ). So it sat in my trailer for months and then I tried it again recently and he worked AMAZING in it. No gaping and beautiful collection (and sooooo light ). I've tried using it on another horse and she HATES it. I've tried it twice on her but I'll try it a few more times before I give up.
Kinda the same here my gaper loved it not so much on others I tried that were not gapers lol.......go figure!!! |
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| any good videos out there that show specifically what all types of bits do mechanically in the mouth? I'm seeing some information in this post i've not read up on..tongue size, etc..lol. thanks in advance. |
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Location: Monticello, AR | Would the Paul Humphrey correction bit help a high headed on the muscle running fool, lol?? Seriously, this gelding has talent and is very broke. I think he was the victim of a "30 day" barrel horse program.....I have finally gotten him where i can do some drills on him without much protest. He does change at a run and he shoots himself in the foot wanting to be so chargy. A work in progress and I think will be worth the time....anyone have this bit to rent to try?? |
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Location: Northwest | upscowpatty - 2017-08-30 4:45 AM
Would the Paul Humphrey correction bit help a high headed on the muscle running fool, lol?? Seriously, this gelding has talent and is very broke. I think he was the victim of a "30 day" barrel horse program.....I have finally gotten him where i can do some drills on him without much protest. He does change at a run and he shoots himself in the foot wanting to be so chargy. A work in progress and I think will be worth the time....anyone have this bit to rent to try??
I think it would be worth a try; there is a lot of control in the bit but at the same time it makes them very soft in the face and very, very light. |
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Favorite bit for horse that gapes its mouth?