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Location: The best kept secret in TX | An Austrian show jumper was banned from riding for his federation for three months. The reason? "Disgracing the Sport of Show Jumping."
Here is a few short articles to help you understand what happened. The video of the performance has been pulled down.
http://www.noellefloyd.com/austrian-rider-banned-dangerous-riding/
http://horsenetwork.com/2017/06/austrian-rider-gets-banned-disgraceful-round/
Longer more technical version: https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2017/06/14/ragged-showjumping-round-3-month-ban/
Here's my question: Can we implement the disgrace the rule for barrel racing!? Lol 
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Location: Missouri | I found a video still up on YouTube (for now)...
https://youtu.be/gWG8RX9uzKQ
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| I saw that on FB a few weeks ago, all the yanking and pulling -poor horse |
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Location: North Dakota | I saw the video a few weeks ago as well. I felt so bad for the poor horse. He is CLEARLY not happy about his job. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | The way the horse jumps it's almost like it's never actually been taught how to jump. |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | I'll be the odd one out on this. I see a horse with a disrespectful attitude. It's not that the sucker can't jump, he's too busy fighting with his rider to even focus on jumping. No sympathy here, I just see a horse that looks like an argumentative brat. I've ridden a couple with that same attitude, no vet work needed (trust me I checked) just a sorry attitude, on "welfare" as Uncle Ed would say. |
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| I believe the bad attitude is the result of poor riding by the man. At one point, after a jump they are actually facing the fence and the horse doesn't know which way to go because the man's body is leaning one way and as the horse makes the move to follow, he snatches the horse's mouth and they go the other way. The man was clearly unbalanced in the saddle. I would love to see what happened in the warm up pen. This horse has been successfully competed on by reputable riders but has been passed around lately until this idiot got the ride. One comment from some one who knew the horse was, "THAT'S Dracco?!" |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Thanks!
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| Now, I am sure there is a supplement or something that can fix all that??? LOL  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Lucylouwon - 2017-06-27 2:18 PM I'll be the odd one out on this. I see a horse with a disrespectful attitude. It's not that the sucker can't jump, he's too busy fighting with his rider to even focus on jumping. No sympathy here, I just see a horse that looks like an argumentative brat. I've ridden a couple with that same attitude, no vet work needed (trust me I checked) just a sorry attitude, on "welfare" as Uncle Ed would say.
Very good point of view.
I wish we could ban certain horses from competition in the ring for a few months based off warm up pen behavior...
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | My first thought in the video from all the head tossing is too much bit, too heavy hands. And then as the video went on... It almost looks like the horse is in pain? Maybe a pinched nerve somewhere? Maybe this is why he had two refusals.
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | FLITASTIC - 2017-06-27 12:39 PM
Now, I am sure there is a supplement or something that can fix all that??? LOL
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-06-27 2:39 PM
Now, I am sure there is a supplement or something that can fix all that??? LOL
Of course there is, isn't that what drugs and supplements are for? |
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | I don't know what exactly is wrong with this round.... besides just about Everything. I'm honestly surprised that he didn't pull up at the beginning. I will give kudos to the rider because I know I could NOT have sat on that great big sucker in that little jump saddle while the pulling, fighting, leaping and jump bulldozing was going on, and looked that quiet.  |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | FLITASTIC - 2017-06-27 2:39 PM Now, I am sure there is a supplement or something that can fix all that??? LOL
If that round was posted here and was a barrel horse this thread would be 80 pages of nothing but cures with supplements.
I do agree, the horse is being naughty, but there has to be a reason why. This horse is a well known horse and usually has pretty clean runs from what I know.
Here he is jumping clean rounds in 2013 and 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0pbZMxWoL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okfyDGMm8oo
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| I do think the rider needs more work. After the 1st refusal he looks down to see want lead the horse is in. I also think a lot of it is the horse, he could be in pain or there may be reason the horse passed through several stables. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | NJBBH - 2017-06-27 3:07 PM I do think the rider needs more work. After the 1st refusal he looks down to see want lead the horse is in. I also think a lot of it is the horse, he could be in pain or there may be reason the horse passed through several stables.
Maybe he is overmounted?
I see the horse in previous videos being very strong and very finicky. Still tossing his head and being very powerful through his strides. I do see this horse needing a firm experienced rider. Maybe this is why he's been passed around. Maybe this is why Bernhard ended up with him. He may have gotten him cheap and now has too much horse for his ability. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | If you type the horses name (Paddys Darco) into YouTube there are several videos of the horse with different riders. I'm at work so only watched a little of two videos but it looks like crashing rails and refusing is not normal for him.
ETA my internet is slow here and I see this has already been pointed out lol
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| I am surprised he was banned, I have seen worse at Spruce Meadows, devils dike, the water jump, and the hill make most riders look abusive. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | This is interesting.
Just googled the rider.
Hmmmmm
http://equnews.com/region/bernhard-maier-i-know-it-was-a-disturbing-round-still-were-making-progress-in-our-training/ |
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Location: Missouri | I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Tbred - 2017-06-27 3:48 PM I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. I believe the Federation stated that after the first jump was destroyed he should have pulled up. Then they state that he should have pulled up after the first refusal since he had been barreling thorough multiple jumps.
His argument is that the judges should have stopped him if they believed he needed too. He says they are attacking him personally and publicly and that a ban was not called for.
10 bucks says he takes them to court.  Not arguing with your opinion at all, just stating what each side is saying about it all. This also happened weeks ago. Haven't been able to find much else on the outcome. The link I posted has the riders statement and the horse's story.
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By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here.
It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | GLP - 2017-06-27 4:04 PM By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here. It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think.
This was my take on everything as well GLP.
Maybe the Federation is doing him a favor? Almost like they are forcing him to consider retire from showing or at the least improve his habits? |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-27 4:09 PM
GLP - 2017-06-27 4:04 PM By reading this and watching the video of another competition, I think he looks like he balances on the reins, and when the horse lands, he almost takes a dive over his head. But, again, I am not familiar with jumpers and could be way off here. It sounds like to me, that he has health issues and should not have been on such a strong horse that day. If he is bringing the horse back as he says he is, I think he showed poor judgement in going in the ring on that day. But I am not educated at all about jumpers. I would like to hear what people who do ride jumpers think.
Maybe the Federation is doing him a favor? Almost like they are forcing him to consider retire from showing or at the least improve his habits?
Yeah, after reading about what happened to him, I am not sure he is not in denial about his health. It is hard to realize you are not the rider you were before an accident, no matter what kind of accident you are in. I feel bad for him, that must have been a heck of a beating he took, and kudos to him for riding again and wanting to help his daughter, but on THIS day, he should not have rode that horse. It may have set back all the good he may have done for that horse up to that point.
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| I rode jumpers my last year of competing against the big dogs... to be honest, I probably would have pulled up my horse after that first crash... you aren't going to be advancing after a rail down anyway unless every one else gets 4 faults as well.. but this wasn't just a knock of a top rail on the oxer... he pretty much plowed thru the whole thing... that would have ruined me mentally and most likely razzled the horses mind too...horses at this level don't like to touch the rails let alone have their rider miss his distance and horse had no choice but to jump, he needed 1 more stride there, imo ... his distance was waaaaay off and he looked ****y even before he started the course. I don't think the rider should be banned over this though... it was a horrible round, yes, but I didn't see outright abuse... rider was just he!! bent on finishing his round. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | want2chase3 - 2017-06-27 4:19 PM
I rode jumpers my last year of competing against the big dogs... to be honest, I probably would have pulled up my horse after that first crash... you aren't going to be advancing after a rail down anyway unless every one else gets 4 faults as well.. but this wasn't just a knock of a top rail on the oxer... he pretty much plowed thru the whole thing... that would have ruined me mentally and most likely razzled the horses mind too...horses at this level don't like to touch the rails let alone have their rider miss his distance and horse had no choice but to jump, he needed 1 more stride there, imo ... his distance was waaaaay off and he looked ****y even before he started the course. I don't think the rider should be banned over this though... it was a horrible round, yes, but I didn't see outright abuse... rider was just he!! bent on finishing his round.
He was only banned three months. Not forever.
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Well there you go...He was a great horse when he was in Ireland and was sold to someone in the US and they made a hot mess out of him and he's trying to get him back. I think he better get someone else on him to tune him up as it isn't going so well with him riding him..LOL
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| Lucylouwon - 2017-06-27 2:18 PM
I'll be the odd one out on this. I see a horse with a disrespectful attitude. It's not that the sucker can't jump, he's too busy fighting with his rider to even focus on jumping. No sympathy here, I just see a horse that looks like an argumentative brat. I've ridden a couple with that same attitude, no vet work needed (trust me I checked) just a sorry attitude, on "welfare" as Uncle Ed would say.
The horse is over 10 years old and has been jumping for years with many different riders. Google him on you tube. Good horses don't just stop working. There has to be something wrong. Horses don't intentionally do things out of spite like people do. I blame a bad rider or a sore horse... |
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| Even in the early videos of this horse, he is MISERABLE jumping. Different riders make him look like an easier ride, but honestly I think this is a horse that hates his job, as has hated it for years.
The hanging off his face and not following the forwards motion over fences with a soft hand is a last ditch effort to get the horse to actually jump, and not just plow through a fence. If you've got a horse with a really nasty stop, or that simply runs through fences, sometimes you can get them over the top by sheer mechanics, (keeping head up and LEG ON) but it's never pretty, borderline dangerous, and if you have to do it more than a couple times you really need to rethink a horse's career. |
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Location: Phoenix | hannahbug - 2017-06-27 5:22 PM Even in the early videos of this horse, he is MISERABLE jumping. Different riders make him look like an easier ride, but honestly I think this is a horse that hates his job, as has hated it for years. The hanging off his face and not following the forwards motion over fences with a soft hand is a last ditch effort to get the horse to actually jump, and not just plow through a fence. If you've got a horse with a really nasty stop, or that simply runs through fences, sometimes you can get them over the top by sheer mechanics, (keeping head up and LEG ON) but it's never pretty, borderline dangerous, and if you have to do it more than a couple times you really need to rethink a horse's career.
I completely agree. Even in the earlier videos he looks miserable. At the point in the video where he slams on the brakes I was like "yup, he hates his f*cking job". Poor guy. And the rider showed poor horsemanship by not pulling up at the first refusal but every single god****ed refusal after that!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | There is a video with him jumping the horse at an earlier time. I'll see if I can find it as my computer froze up before I could copy the link. You could see the problems beginning. Sad all around. |
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Location: North Dakota | There is either something physically wrong with that horse or he is completely out of his comfort zone training/physical ability wise. Or both. They were absolutely right to ban that rider. I've rarely seen such a blatant disregard for the welfare of the horse and basic equitation in competition. |
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I agree I would have pulled up after the first crash but I don't think a 3-month ban is necessary.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | All of these are very interesting points of view.
Griz: Wouldn't it be nice if the person in the warm up arena that's going the opposite direction, plowing through people while running could be banned for a bit? LOL!!!! I think if we had this rule implemented it would be interesting to say the least. |
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Location: Missouri | IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-27 3:55 PM Tbred - 2017-06-27 3:48 PM I agree the horse had issues that day. He was fighting the rider every stride. Was he in a mood? Was he sore? Who knows. As far as the rider goes, you don't get to that level by being a poor rider. Everyone on here as been unseated before. It happens. The horse was a mess that day, the rider made an attempt to continue the course under a bad situation. I feel a ban is uncalled for. I believe the Federation stated that after the first jump was destroyed he should have pulled up. Then they state that he should have pulled up after the first refusal since he had been barreling thorough multiple jumps.
His argument is that the judges should have stopped him if they believed he needed too. He says they are attacking him personally and publicly and that a ban was not called for.
10 bucks says he takes them to court. Not arguing with your opinion at all, just stating what each side is saying about it all. This also happened weeks ago. Haven't been able to find much else on the outcome. The link I posted has the riders statement and the horse's story.
I kinda agree he should have pulled out. Maybe the horse had been refusing alot lately and he was ****ed and determined to MAKE him do it. But, like a blown pattern in a barrel race, you exit the arena. It's no time for "exhibition" and making them do it right.
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| I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | stayceem - 2017-06-28 10:15 AM I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent.
I noticed the pat too. Thought it was odd after the horse was so naughty. 
Some articles have called it disturbing but in the english world different wording is used to describe a lot of things.
I myself wouldn't say it was disturbing to watch. Disgraceful, and painful is what I would use to describe it lol |
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| stayceem - 2017-06-28 10:15 AM
I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent.
You do wrestle them and you have to place them right where you need to be, they are big, strong athletes... I took me forever to adjust to not keeping one "in the bridle" the trainer I started working with after my jumping career would only let me ride his horses in a light hackamore lol! Now I'm very light handed but I'm constantly staying aware of it! |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I think there is something going on with the horse, causing pain, as well. Back? Swishing tail. Hollowed back. I know the guy looked unbalanced in the video, but I also have been on a horse that was getting pinched by saddle and they will be "wobbly" - like a wet noodle - and throw your balance off. It feels odd and it is hard to keep them collected. I hope it gets figured out. Really nice horse. |
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I just watched this video, WOW is all I can say, the man should have just pulled up this horse and stoped the course, a good horseman would have known that this was not going to go well and that theres something going on with this horse. Seems to me that this man was trying to prove something and it back fired on him.. |
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| want2chase3 - 2017-06-28 11:23 AM
stayceem - 2017-06-28 10:15 AM
I guess I find it a bit dramatic to call it disturbing. It wasn't pretty that is for sure but I think the horse got frazzled after the first jump. By continuing, I don't think the horse is abused but I don't think it was productive. If you watch other jumpers, a lot of them are heavy in the bit and they look like they're wrestling them the whole time. I think a ban is excessive. He clearly patted the horse at the end, I don't think there was malicious intent.
You do wrestle them and you have to place them right where you need to be, they are big, strong athletes... I took me forever to adjust to not keeping one "in the bridle" the trainer I started working with after my jumping career would only let me ride his horses in a light hackamore lol! Now I'm very light handed but I'm constantly staying aware of it!
That was kind of my point. I think that's normal. I grew up with a lot of 3 day eventers and once you get into the high levels, you see this more. Naturally I watch a lot of jumpers and noticed this style. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Southtxponygirl - 2017-06-28 1:49 PM I just watched this video, WOW is all I can say, the man should have just pulled up this horse and stoped the course, a good horseman would have known that this was not going to go well and that theres something going on with this horse. Seems to me that this man was trying to prove something and it back fired on him..
I think this is the point the Federation is arguing. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-28 2:06 PM Southtxponygirl - 2017-06-28 1:49 PM I just watched this video, WOW is all I can say, the man should have just pulled up this horse and stoped the course, a good horseman would have known that this was not going to go well and that theres something going on with this horse. Seems to me that this man was trying to prove something and it back fired on him..
Even the people in the crowd were not pleased in what he was doing, you can see that he was saying something back to them, yep he should have stoped instead of going on with the course, I think he would have been respected for stoping this ride.. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | He just looks like he is blown up. Whether it's mental or physical, he hates what he is doing.
Much of that needed to be addressed in training. I understand that you have to address some issues in competition, but the rider looked like his only game plan was to keep pushing. I never once saw a correction that looked like "nooo, remember this from training" while repeating the movement. It looked like an awful war of wills and the horse has it figured out that they ain't gonna make him do what he don't want to do.
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-06-28 8:21 AM
All of these are very interesting points of view.
Griz: Wouldn't it be nice if the person in the warm up arena that's going the opposite direction, plowing through people while running could be banned for a bit? LOL!!!! I think if we had this rule implemented it would be interesting to say the least.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I have never done show jumping, but I have participated in lower levels of stadium jumping in 3 day events and nothing more then 2'6" in hunter jumper growing up, so with the little experience I have I can tell you that that horse needs another job for a while, I think dressage would do him well for a year or so, just flat work and take him off of jumps. He's rushing his jumps really bad and is VERY unhappy. Show jumpers get hot and strong just like barrel racing, it is a timed event but with speed they need collection also. He is actually a beautiful jumper, he tucks and doesn't hang his front feet, and when he does it correct it's very pretty but I see a blown up Sour horse and continuing to show him is probably not going to help right now.
As far as the rider goes, he isn't helping the horses confidence by hanging on his face, I can see he's trying to control him from running off but this horse probably needs a quieter trainer, or better hand. Show jumping doesn't judge the rider, just the horse so in this case the riders ability doesn't matter, but yes, he should have pulled him up after the first few bad jumps. Those rails do hurt!
I'm waiting for Bibiliafarms response to this as well!
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | RnRJack - 2017-06-29 7:45 AM I have never done show jumping, but I have participated in lower levels of stadium jumping in 3 day events and nothing more then 2'6" in hunter jumper growing up, so with the little experience I have I can tell you that that horse needs another job for a while, I think dressage would do him well for a year or so, just flat work and take him off of jumps. He's rushing his jumps really bad and is VERY unhappy. Show jumpers get hot and strong just like barrel racing, it is a timed event but with speed they need collection also. He is actually a beautiful jumper, he tucks and doesn't hang his front feet, and when he does it correct it's very pretty but I see a blown up Sour horse and continuing to show him is probably not going to help right now. As far as the rider goes, he isn't helping the horses confidence by hanging on his face, I can see he's trying to control him from running off but this horse probably needs a quieter trainer, or better hand. Show jumping doesn't judge the rider, just the horse so in this case the riders ability doesn't matter, but yes, he should have pulled him up after the first few bad jumps. Those rails do hurt! I'm waiting for Bibiliafarms response to this as well!
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| Here is a fine example of buying a nice horse with a poor rider. At first I thought it was a joke/practice run. I think the rider needs to step off that horse and get a few lessons. I dont think he needs to be banned, just not allowed to jump at those heights. It would be nice to see a few barrel racers banned for a few months for beating their horses or running them into the ground. One thing I wish would be implemented at races is disqualification. Usually on the entry fee it states disqualification for animal abuse. Yet, I see riders slap their horses in the face with wipes or spur the crap out of them until they bleed. Just once, I want to hear the announcer tell someone like that they are disqualified from the race. |
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Warrior Mom
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| I'm gonna share a story... about my grand prix horse, the last big time horse I owned... aquired him when I was just getting into my junior year he was definitely a step up horse.. huge 18plus hand pure black warmblood, he was 13 when we bought him, very much been there done that experienced horse I need to build confidence. He did just that for me... we cleaned up on the west coast... we were an amazing team. The very end of my junior career we had one last big show, the fences seemed to get higher and wider.. I was scared but I knew the guy would take care of me, like he always did... we entered the arena for the finals... came to our last triple which looked ENORMOUS , I felt him suck back and my heart sank because I knew he was tired and was probably hurting, he was 18 and just tired of the 6 foot plus fences... I always had to hold him back and this time he just quit.. he refused going into the triple... never ever had this horse refused a fence... I knew right then and there he was threw... I tipped my hat to the judges and calmly walked out of the arena... boy... I got an earful from my trainers who were LIVID I didn't MAKE him finish that triple .. I blew the finals, my last finals of my junior year.. even my own mother told me how disappointed she was I did that... but you know what ... I didn't care, I knew I did right by old RC that evening. .. we sold him to a barn that taught up and coming little riders how to jump... 3ft max... he retired sound and happy until he died of old age... I think about that big black sucker everyday and how much he taught me! He will forever have a place in my heart.
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I just read the headlines
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| want2chase3 - 2017-06-29 11:14 AM
I'm gonna share a story... about my grand prix horse, the last big time horse I owned... aquired him when I was just getting into my junior year he was definitely a step up horse.. huge 18plus hand pure black warmblood, he was 13 when we bought him, very much been there done that experienced horse I need to build confidence. He did just that for me... we cleaned up on the west coast... we were an amazing team. The very end of my junior career we had one last big show, the fences seemed to get higher and wider.. I was scared but I knew the guy would take care of me, like he always did... we entered the arena for the finals... came to our last triple which looked ENORMOUS , I felt him suck back and my heart sank because I knew he was tired and was probably hurting, he was 18 and just tired of the 6 foot plus fences... I always had to hold him back and this time he just quit.. he refused going into the triple... never ever had this horse refused a fence... I knew right then and there he was threw... I tipped my hat to the judges and calmly walked out of the arena... boy... I got an earful from my trainers who were LIVID I didn't MAKE him finish that triple .. I blew the finals, my last finals of my junior year.. even my own mother told me how disappointed she was I did that... but you know what ... I didn't care, I knew I did right by old RC that evening. .. we sold him to a barn that taught up and coming little riders how to jump... 3ft max... he retired sound and happy until he died of old age... I think about that big black sucker everyday and how much he taught me! He will forever have a place in my heart.
Thanks for sharing. I think it is great that you loved him so much that you did the best thing for him, despite what other people thought.  |
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Warrior Mom
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| I guess my point was that if I forced him thru that triple I probably would have looked like that fella and my amazing horse would have ended up hating his job.. luckily he went on at a much easier level and he truly enjoyed those youngsters on his back... he earned it! |
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Miracle in the Making
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| lots of good comments but to me several things videos are not really fhere we don/t know the horse or rider tail wring i hate that same thing something wrong but it is also a nervose hadbit like bitting fingernails
?either or we don./t know mike smith or jocks will tell u if that horse want to go he is goning to and u human are not going to stop him no bit can
?ever crashed a barrel you not going to stop it horses have good and bad days just like us
?yep that guys balance was off your would be to on that ride that was a wreck
this is kind like 20/20 hindsight
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I just read the headlines
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| vjls - 2017-06-29 12:10 PM
lots of good comments but to me several things videos are not really fhere we don/t know the horse or rider tail wring i hate that same thing something wrong but it is also a nervose hadbit like bitting fingernails
?either or we don./t know mike smith or jocks will tell u if that horse want to go he is goning to and u human are not going to stop him no bit can
?ever crashed a barrel you not going to stop it horses have good and bad days just like us
?yep that guys balance was off your would be to on that ride that was a wreck
this is kind like 20/20 hindsight
ypou all jump in that saddle on that horse go for it
You bet my balance would have been off on that ride. I probably wouldn't have forced that ride, though. I am betting it was a train wreck in the warm up pen. When a horse is acting that badly either he is mentally not there that day ( and hasn't been for a while)and it is better to bow out and try another day, or his is hurting and doesn't need to go, or my riding is so off that day that I need to pack it up for the day. That guy had the heck beat out of him earlier in the year and I bet he hasn't recovered enough to be strong enough for that horse. Now, he may be fried and good to no one, all to satisfy his ego. |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | want2chase3 - 2017-06-29 11:14 AM
I'm gonna share a story... about my grand prix horse, the last big time horse I owned... aquired him when I was just getting into my junior year he was definitely a step up horse.. huge 18plus hand pure black warmblood, he was 13 when we bought him, very much been there done that experienced horse I need to build confidence. He did just that for me... we cleaned up on the west coast... we were an amazing team. The very end of my junior career we had one last big show, the fences seemed to get higher and wider.. I was scared but I knew the guy would take care of me, like he always did... we entered the arena for the finals... came to our last triple which looked ENORMOUS , I felt him suck back and my heart sank because I knew he was tired and was probably hurting, he was 18 and just tired of the 6 foot plus fences... I always had to hold him back and this time he just quit.. he refused going into the triple... never ever had this horse refused a fence... I knew right then and there he was threw... I tipped my hat to the judges and calmly walked out of the arena... boy... I got an earful from my trainers who were LIVID I didn't MAKE him finish that triple .. I blew the finals, my last finals of my junior year.. even my own mother told me how disappointed she was I did that... but you know what ... I didn't care, I knew I did right by old RC that evening. .. we sold him to a barn that taught up and coming little riders how to jump... 3ft max... he retired sound and happy until he died of old age... I think about that big black sucker everyday and how much he taught me! He will forever have a place in my heart.
And your story sums up one thing about you---what an amazing and truly caring person does for their horse. They give us their all, and we owe it to them to always take care of them. A lot of people I know could take a lesson from you
I love a big black horse, so I think he was gorgeous! |
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 I Don't Brag
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| Not a hunter jumper but it seems to me that if you want him punished for continuing then the judges should also be fined for not stopping the "run".
What I saw in the video was a VERY strong horse who was going through the bit and taking control. Maybe pain, maybe spoiled, maybe burnt out. You know I surely would have had trouble staying centered and balanced with all of that going on. It also occurred to me that perhaps this horse HAD been soured before this and this guy was trying to ride him through it. Y'all know the type? Fine in the practice pen but sour in the arena? Maybe he was trying to show this horse that he could not get away with stuff just because in was in the show arena. I have fixed a few barrel horses that have been soured and sometimes you have to sacrifice a few runs to let them know that they are NOT going to get away with stuff and if FB and videos were as common then as they are now, I imagine I would have been subject to attack too. I saw no real "abuse" and do NOT know why he chose to finish the course. Far be it for me to judge. |
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Location: Canada | I agree with the ban. As a professional rider at an international level he should have excused himself from the round. This wasn't a schooling show and as such should not be treated that way. It was obvious the horse was not having a good round so pull up, excuse yourself and go back to working on it at home.
I can't see how being yanked around and crashing through fenced would give that horse any extra confidence. This was a poor display of horsemanship and the ban is justified. |
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