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| This fall I will be traveling with one other girl to college rodeos, putting on about 2000 miles each semester. Our schools rodeo team is very independent and they don't pay for any fuel. She does not have a rig to take, but I do. It's actually my parents', but they are very generous and willing to let me take it, if I compensate for it some. But they want it to be fair.
Obviously it is much more affordable to take a LQ trailer, if we can, rather than getting a hotel. We both agree on that. So, how do you split fuel costs when there are just the 2 of you? My parents say I should not be paying for any fuel because the maintenance, tires, miles on the pickup, hours on the generator are a pretty huge contribution. It is a 2017 Chevy and a 30' elite trailer if that makes any difference..I sure don't blame my parents for being cautious about me taking it. She takes 2 horses and I take 1. We are good friends, and roommates, and we haven't talked about this at all, but I would like to keep it simple and not get on each other's toes, yet still be fair. We do have room for 1 more horse so ideally we would find another person to go with us, but if not, what would you do?
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| Probably equally because if you were traveling alone, you would still have to factor in all the maintenance costs you listed. Plus there are probably going to be times when you are driving the rig and (1) aren't pulling the trailer (non-rodeo related) and/or (2) are going on your own. She shouldn't have to pay for those costs. But that's just me.
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| I would suggest maybe mentioning to her that she pays just a bit more to compensate for propane, and miles on the trailer but I definitely wouldn't say she should have to pay all of the fuel. You have to realize she could just as easily find someone else to travel with and leave you alone with the whole tab.
I would maybe mention to her that she is hauling 2 while you haul one, just remember to keep communication open so that at the end of the day you don't lose a travel buddy and friend. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | If someone hops in with me i wont take fuel money..and most times it works out if i have to hop in with them...but since your college kids..i think 50/ 50 is fair.....m |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | When I hauled with someone we always did 50/50 and if there were someone else we split 3 ways..
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| When I go with my trainer, I the first tank, she buys the second tank, I buy the third tank, etc. We start over on the next trip. Any fuel that is left over I don't worry about. Sometimes she buys the last tank anyway. On short trips, just give her some money. We have a different situation though. I would make sure that your friend understands the arrangement beforehand. Another recommendation is do not left them pay for your meals instead of fuel. You will always come out on the short end. Get the fuel money. |
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | I had people go with me all through college rode and into the pro and amateur rodeos. The most fair is to split fuel evenly. You're
Going to go anyway- so you will already be putting the miles and the wear and tear on your rig. It's easier as a college student to not only have someone to split expenses with, but also so you don't have to travel alone. |
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Location: Missouri | In college my daughter and group split fuel by he number of horses and people- so if I had one horse and she had 2 - it was split 5 ways I paid 2/5ths and she paid 3/5. They also had some rough stock riders ride with them as well
So that's why they counted all horses and people. Worked great for them. As for truck cost fuel, tires and that well it usually fell on truck owner. If she didn't go with you would you still use your truck to go? |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | another has been - 2017-07-04 8:50 PM In college my daughter and group split fuel by he number of horses and people- so if I had one horse and she had 2 - it was split 5 ways I paid 2/5ths and she paid 3/5. They also had some rough stock riders ride with them as well So that's why they counted all horses and people. Worked great for them. As for truck cost fuel, tires and that well it usually fell on truck owner. If she didn't go with you would you still use your truck to go?
^^^This!! it always works. no matter what. Its the best policy to go off of that way no one has any complaints. I do not agree with your parents idea of making her pay for it all, simply beacuse of what others have said. You'd be going reguarless and if you were riding with someone else you would still have to pay fuel charges. should she pay a bit more than you? yes bc she has more weight in the trailer. But not it all. Dont lose a hauling partner and friend over money. Does she have her own truck and trailer to get to shows with? if so, you both could easily switch back and forth when you can to even out the wear and tear on the truck/trailer. |
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| 50/50! I hauled with a gal once and when we got home I asked what I owed. It worked out to be the whole cost of the fuel for the trip!! I paid it, didn't say a word, but NEVER hauled with her again. If I am going to pay for all of the fuel I might as well take my own rig and have my own agenda. I rarely haul with anyone because it seems like the people I go with just use a hauling partner as a way to pay for most if not all of their fuel cost. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | When we hauled to rodeos, I always filled the tank to start, during and filled when we came back.....then we split the cost by how many contestants were in the truck. I never considered maintenance because my son and I were already going! |
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Location: WI | I split by number of horses. You pay 1/3, she 2/3. |
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Location: Alabama | another has been - 2017-07-04 7:50 PM
In college my daughter and group split fuel by he number of horses and people- so if I had one horse and she had 2 - it was split 5 ways I paid 2/5ths and she paid 3/5. They also had some rough stock riders ride with them as well
So that's why they counted all horses and people. Worked great for them. As for truck cost fuel, tires and that well it usually fell on truck owner. If she didn't go with you would you still use your truck to go?
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Location: GODS country | Split evenly within the truck OR we rotate driving (since everything is basically the same distance give or take). |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | We always split 50/50 or between however many were going.
I never factored in trailer or truck maint simply because I was going anyway.
Now, if I ride with someone and it was their idea to go, I don't pay them just like they don't pay me if I invite them to go with me in my rig. But, If I call someone and invite them somewhere and ask that they drive, I always pay all fuel since it was my idea and their rig. I usually buy them a burger on the way or a food item from concession as well. I also pack snacks for us and bring water. I'm just that way tho. |
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Location: North Dakota | I travel to futurities and added money runs that are anywhere from 4-9 hours away from my house. I travel with a couple friends and we try to rotate who's rig we take. We split fuel evenly between those of us with horses. It doesn't matter how many horses each person has. If person A has 2, B has 1 and C has 1, we just split 3 ways. We don't "charge" for maintenance on the rigs, as they would be used either way. |
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Location: Idaho | I ALWAYS have the rig we take, I swear its always my dang truck, trailer and I am always the driver. I used to split it 50/50 and would hope that people understand too, that yes, I pay for shavings, I clean my trailer when I get home, I maintence my trailer, my truck gets an oil change, I have propane in my trailer, guess who has to do the laundry in the trailer when done.... There is so much more to it then fuel cost. I got annoyed with people hauling with me and then complaining that I had 3 horses and they only had 1 so why pay 50/50... they also get to sleep on the trip while I am driving... The list goes on. So BE UP FRONT with any plans or cost. I have ONLY had one person buy me shavings and contribute that way. SO I haul alone, I load 4 horses up and I pay the full cost because honestly, I was not having fun hauling with people and being basicly used. I get it that I was already planning on going... but once in a awhile, wouldn't it be nice if someone offered to pay a little more or help clean the trailer? Or fill my propane bottle up? I am saving that person in HOTEL cost too... so again, its really not just fuel... so much more to hauling a big rig then that. |
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| The way a girl and I do it because she does not have a rig is we do every other tank when filling as well as for the generator and she normally brings the food for the weekend to compensate for the wear and tear ( Which I tell her not to do because I am going anyways). But the best way is to keep everything super open about the entire deal and lay it all out BEFORE you start hauling and making plans. This girl and I decided half and half is good with both of us even though sometimes I haul more horses. Granted it is also helpful that this girl also helps pack the trailer and clean it out when we get home. She also has offered to take home the blankets from the beds and wash them but I think I just got super lucky when it comes to a traveling partner :)
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| barrelracing? - 2017-07-04 4:00 PM
This fall I will be traveling with one other girl to college rodeos, putting on about 2000 miles each semester. Our schools rodeo team is very independent and they don't pay for any fuel. She does not have a rig to take, but I do. It's actually my parents', but they are very generous and willing to let me take it, if I compensate for it some. But they want it to be fair.
Obviously it is much more affordable to take a LQ trailer, if we can, rather than getting a hotel. We both agree on that. So, how do you split fuel costs when there are just the 2 of you? My parents say I should not be paying for any fuel because the maintenance, tires, miles on the pickup, hours on the generator are a pretty huge contribution. It is a 2017 Chevy and a 30' elite trailer if that makes any difference..I sure don't blame my parents for being cautious about me taking it. She takes 2 horses and I take 1. We are good friends, and roommates, and we haven't talked about this at all, but I would like to keep it simple and not get on each other's toes, yet still be fair. We do have room for 1 more horse so ideally we would find another person to go with us, but if not, what would you do?
You have to follow your parent's suggestion of your guest paying for all
the fuel. Your parents own the rig and any liability a guest may create.
The savings in hotel costs your guest would create on her own plus 50-50
gas with someone else would be much more costly than her paying for all the
fuel in your rig.
The fair part is your filling the truck up with gas as you are leaving or
before you hookup.
And guest paying for gas on the trip and filling
the tank as you arrive back to your college barn to a full tank as it
was when you left on the trip.
Enquire if she has a credit card to use so the old game of "I didn't
bring enough cash" never gets started!!
Also, explain that your parents are sticklers for keeping the trailer
clean and that you guys can prep the trailer for the next trip the
day after you return as a fun thing and a necessary item.
It is part of becoming adults to take care of things and not abuse
them. CLEAN UP AFTER YOURSELF!!
Just explain your parents deal since they are the ones that YOU must
keep happy and let your guest decide.
Keep in mind that appreciative friends will voluntarily pitch in to
clean the trailer and LQ and inside the truck... the outside of both
belongs to you .. lol
IMO ... the 50-50 thing was ok back when you were pulling a stock trailer
and the old battered up farm truck with the windows rolled down!! lol
AND DON'T GIVE YOUR PARENTS A HEARTATTACK .. BY LETTING YOUR
GUEST DRIVE THIS $100,000+ RIG TO YOUR EVENTS!!
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| I disagree with making the other girl pay for all of the fuel. More likely than not, you would've been going anyways. When I was college rodeoing, we always split fuel evenly. If you're worried about propane, gas for the generator, cleaning out the trailer, etc. just ask her to help! If one of the people I traveled with would've asked me to pay for all the fuel, I would've just gone by myself. The point of traveling together is to save money. |
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Location: Phoenix | I would just split it 50/50. Keep it transparent. Write down the amount everytime you guys fill up. Cacculate it as you roll into town and have her Venmo you her half before you start unloading. Venmo is like a super fast Payapl and much easier. If you have a smartphone, you can have Venmo. |
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | SKM - 2017-07-04 3:49 PM
We always split by head on the trailer.
This is how I did it when I shared a ride in college. We paid per how many we had in the trailer. Total fuel divided by number of horses to get cost per horse. It worked out well for me. |
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Location: Windoming | What happens if she decides not to go with you, maybe finds someone else who doesn't demand she pay all the fuel? Then it's just you and your rig........Personally, I would want someone to go with my daughter.
I guess I'm more laid back about it. I tell my regular traveling partner I don't need gas money, because I am going whether she goes or not. She usually gives me some gas money anyway. I have another traveling partner that I sometimes ride with who usually asks me for what I feel is more than my share, (all of it) so guess what, I figure I might as well just take my own rig. |
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Location: MN | We always split by how many head were on the trailer as well. If I were to haul 2 for someone, I would personally expect them to pay a little more than if we each just had 1 horse per person. Then we'd split 50/50. |
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| When I hauled with a friend she paid the first tank, I payed the next tank and if we were staying, I payed half of the hook up fees and half of the propane, if we used it. To me, it just seems fair to split all the traveling costs. If there were more than the 2 of us, we split by the number of people hauling since we all just hauled 1 horse each. |
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Location: Way up North | I am lucky that I haul with my sister or some friends that are really thoughtful and easy to get along with. I don't have a LQ trailer so I'm always getting in with one of them. We try to split fuel as well as the electrical or gas for the generator if that's what we have to use. You shouldn't have to pay for the generator fuel yourself, that should be included in the tab and split and I wouldn't be the least bit offended if they wanted to include shavings for the trailer to be split. I like my horse to be comfortable and someone else shouldn't have to foot that bill.
Now I get the cost of maintenance and things but if I had to pay for all the fuel and all of generator/electric I would probably just haul myself. It isn't cheap hauling a beast of a trailer up and down the road, I get around pretty cheap in my little trailer and I have been just fine without the luxury of a LQ many a time. |
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Location: Florida.. | the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2017-07-06 8:58 PM
the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept..
Not true. I notice a difference in mileage when I have another horse on the trailer. That extra 1,000 pounds does make a difference. I get way better mileage empty versus a full load. |
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| SKM - 2017-07-07 6:26 AM
Bibliafarm - 2017-07-06 8:58 PM
the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept..
Not true. I notice a difference in mileage when I have another horse on the trailer. That extra 1,000 pounds does make a difference. I get way better mileage empty versus a full load.
Agree. Hauling calves to auction, you notice the difference between half loaded and a full trailer- mileage wise and power wise. Same with hauling horses, especially noticeable with a bumper pull, too. |
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| GLP - 2017-07-07 8:28 AM
SKM - 2017-07-07 6:26 AM
Bibliafarm - 2017-07-06 8:58 PM
the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept..
Not true. I notice a difference in mileage when I have another horse on the trailer. That extra 1,000 pounds does make a difference. I get way better mileage empty versus a full load.
Agree. Hauling calves to auction, you notice the difference between half loaded and a full trailer- mileage wise and power wise. Same with hauling horses, especially noticeable with a bumper pull, too.
And, that extra horse is taking a slot that could be taken by someone else if you were splitting by person. |
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| I have been asked for 50/50 when hauling with a friend taking her 2 horses and my 1. Eventually it didn't make sense any more because my half was the same as it would cost me to take my own rig. In addition, I don't mind driving alone (I'm not talking 8 hour trips, here, I'm talking an hour or two.) And, when hauling in someone elses rig, the stress of being in someone else's space and feeling like me or my stuff is in the way, and having to remember to pack all my stuff and hope I don't forget any essentials, the convenience of having a riding buddy just wasn't worth it for me.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | k.maddocks24 - 2017-07-07 9:21 AM GLP - 2017-07-07 8:28 AM SKM - 2017-07-07 6:26 AM Bibliafarm - 2017-07-06 8:58 PM the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept.. Not true. I notice a difference in mileage when I have another horse on the trailer. That extra 1,000 pounds does make a difference. I get way better mileage empty versus a full load. Agree. Hauling calves to auction, you notice the difference between half loaded and a full trailer- mileage wise and power wise. Same with hauling horses, especially noticeable with a bumper pull, too. And, that extra horse is taking a slot that could be taken by someone else if you were splitting by person.
I hauled 3 barrel racers and 2 team ropers but only 4 horses since the barrel racer and team roper used the same horse....so they should only have to pay ONE share.... don't think so .... Also, what if you haul a BR, BB or SB rider....they don't pay? |
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Location: Idaho | I'd say 50/50.
I hauled with a friend a couple times, and I expected to do 50/50 and that is what I gave her, and she was ****ed that I did not give her more and considered me "ungrateful."
Didn't haul with her anymore. Simple as that. But I think 50/50 is the way to go. |
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| NJJ - 2017-07-08 10:17 AM
k.maddocks24 - 2017-07-07 9:21 AM GLP - 2017-07-07 8:28 AM SKM - 2017-07-07 6:26 AM Bibliafarm - 2017-07-06 8:58 PM the 2nd horse isnt using anymore fuel then her first horse.. i dont understand the by head.. unless its 3 people. lol same owner .. one two three they all riding on one fuel tank going to same place.. not debating just dont understand that concept.. Not true. I notice a difference in mileage when I have another horse on the trailer. That extra 1,000 pounds does make a difference. I get way better mileage empty versus a full load. Agree. Hauling calves to auction, you notice the difference between half loaded and a full trailer- mileage wise and power wise. Same with hauling horses, especially noticeable with a bumper pull, too. And, that extra horse is taking a slot that could be taken by someone else if you were splitting by person.
In that situation then absolutely, I'd be splitting by people. Assess the situation and make sure everyone is paying their fair share. The opposite of the situation you just lined out would be 2 people going, say a 4 horse trailer, 1 person is hauling 1 horse and the other is hauling 3 - and there are other people who would be interested in hauling as well. In that case, it would be more fair to the person with 1 horse to split by horses - because if the person with 3 horses was only taking 1, 2 more horses/1-2 more people could fill the rest of the trailer. Again, there's not a one size fits all rule for splitting fuel. Just look at the situation and talk about it and decide what's fair.
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Location: Wild Wild West | I think the easiest way to split/ buy fuel is for everyone to put a certain dollar amount into an envelope at the beginning of the trip. Depending on the trip, $100 each, $200 each, etc. When you gas up you pay out of that. When that is gone you each put in the same equal amount again. However you decide on 1 horse, 2horse is between you guys. But I think the gas envelope is the fairest. Sometimes you might have to buy expensive, sometimes you get to buy cheap. That way it all comes out of the pot. |
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Location: Florida | I would start with a full tank and when we got to our home town fill up. Two people split in halfl three split in thirds. Simple. You are paying for maintenance on the truck and if you have an extra horse, then whatever, don't make it complicated. |
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How do you split fuel costs?