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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 27 to 25 Vote in favor for funding Horse Slaughter House Inspectors. Horse Slaughter Houses may reopen at a later date.
The US House Appropriations Committee met today to mark up and vote on the Fiscal Year 2018 Agriculture Appropriations Bill. The passage of this bill for the past decade has included language that effectively outlaws horse slaughter in the United States by blocking funding for the USDA to pay inspectors for horse slaughter facilities, but today’s passage will go without that amendment.
Lucille Roybal-Allard, a Democrat from California, pushed for the inclusion of the renewed ban, but the move was defeated in a 27-25 vote.
Horse slaughter plant inspectors will continue to be unfunded through September 30 of this year; it remains to be seen whether US slaughter facilities will move to reopen after that date.
http://www.horsenation.com/2017/07/12/breaking-house-appropriations-committee-lifts-ban-on-horse-slaughter/
ETA: I am open to discussion on this topic both for and against. I myself am in favor of a Humane and respectable place for Horses to be reused for meat. Some horses are beyond saving and deserve a respectable/humane outlet for death... My only concern is the restrictions and how much more expensive it will be to slaughter a horse in the US compared to Canada and Mexico. I think if this is done the wrong way it may continue to drive horses to Mexico.
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Location: Arkansas | The latest Quarter Horse News had an editorial about The Right Horse Initiative, which is working to help people surrender their horses for free to shelters if they can't afford/don't want them anymore, as well as helping get horses trained for different disciplines if one doesn't work out, and increased adoptions. I pray it takes off in a big way, because it is our horses that suffer when "things just don't work out." (I understand that this is a HUGE undertaking; my naivety has waned from my younger days.)
In my starry eyed days, I detested slaughter houses---"how could any reasonable person want or allow a horse to end up there? I take care of/feed/love my horses, so everyone else does I'm sure." Oh my naive self. . . After reading and learning so much, I now realize that while I can and would give my horses as humane an ending with a vet that I possibly could, not everyone feels that way or has the means for that. Which made me see that rather than ship our American horses to Mexico or Canada, we should have places here that are governed to give those horses as much dignity and as little pain and fear as possible at the end. We owe them that. . . . |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2017-07-12 4:30 PM 27 to 25 Vote in favor for funding Horse Slaughter House Inspectors. Horse Slaughter Houses may reopen at a later date.
The US House Appropriations Committee met today to mark up and vote on the Fiscal Year 2018 Agriculture Appropriations Bill. The passage of this bill for the past decade has included language that effectively outlaws horse slaughter in the United States by blocking funding for the USDA to pay inspectors for horse slaughter facilities, but today’s passage will go without that amendment.
Lucille Roybal-Allard, a Democrat from California, pushed for the inclusion of the renewed ban, but the move was defeated in a 27-25 vote.
Horse slaughter plant inspectors will continue to be unfunded through September 30 of this year; it remains to be seen whether US slaughter facilities will move to reopen after that date.
http://www.horsenation.com/2017/07/12/breaking-house-appropriations-committee-lifts-ban-on-horse-slaughter/
ETA: I am open to discussion on this topic both for and against. I myself am in favor of a Humane and respectable place for Horses to be reused for meat. Some horses are beyond saving and deserve a respectable/humane outlet for death... My only concern is the restrictions and how much more expensive it will be to slaughter a horse in the US compared to Canada and Mexico. I think if this is done the wrong way it may continue to drive horses to Mexico.
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | Chandler's Mom - 2017-07-12 8:33 PM
The latest Quarter Horse News had an editorial about The Right Horse Initiative, which is working to help people surrender their horses for free to shelters if they can't afford/don't want them anymore, as well as helping get horses trained for different disciplines if one doesn't work out, and increased adoptions. I pray it takes off in a big way, because it is our horses that suffer when "things just don't work out." (I understand that this is a HUGE undertaking; my naivety has waned from my younger days.)
In my starry eyed days, I detested slaughter houses---"how could any reasonable person want or allow a horse to end up there? I take care of/feed/love my horses, so everyone else does I'm sure." Oh my naive self. . . After reading and learning so much, I now realize that while I can and would give my horses as humane an ending with a vet that I possibly could, not everyone feels that way or has the means for that. Which made me see that rather than ship our American horses to Mexico or Canada, we should have places here that are governed to give those horses as much dignity and as little pain and fear as possible at the end. We owe them that. . . .
This. I would so much rather see them at a well regulated slaughter house than starved to death. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2017-07-12 9:47 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-07-12 4:30 PM 27 to 25 Vote in favor for funding Horse Slaughter House Inspectors. Horse Slaughter Houses may reopen at a later date.
The US House Appropriations Committee met today to mark up and vote on the Fiscal Year 2018 Agriculture Appropriations Bill. The passage of this bill for the past decade has included language that effectively outlaws horse slaughter in the United States by blocking funding for the USDA to pay inspectors for horse slaughter facilities, but today’s passage will go without that amendment.
Lucille Roybal-Allard, a Democrat from California, pushed for the inclusion of the renewed ban, but the move was defeated in a 27-25 vote.
Horse slaughter plant inspectors will continue to be unfunded through September 30 of this year; it remains to be seen whether US slaughter facilities will move to reopen after that date.
http://www.horsenation.com/2017/07/12/breaking-house-appropriations-committee-lifts-ban-on-horse-slaughter/
ETA: I am open to discussion on this topic both for and against. I myself am in favor of a Humane and respectable place for Horses to be reused for meat. Some horses are beyond saving and deserve a respectable/humane outlet for death... My only concern is the restrictions and how much more expensive it will be to slaughter a horse in the US compared to Canada and Mexico. I think if this is done the wrong way it may continue to drive horses to Mexico.
Ditto, its sad but we need these slaughter houses, just too many horses being straved and mistreated here in the states. I dont like seeing any horse go into Mexico, they are so da* curel over there.. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | If I'm reading that right, the slaughter houses would re-open WITHOUT regular inspections. Or, without any inspections. I'm opposed to that. I would like to see them re-opened in the US, but with proper oversight.
I would also like to see more about the Right Horse Initiative. Thanks for posting that, Chandler's Mom. I could get behind something like that. I hope it's successful. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Nita - 2017-07-12 11:36 PM If I'm reading that right, the slaughter houses would re-open WITHOUT regular inspections. Or, without any inspections.
it is my understanding that would be unpossible in the US.
"ALL" processing facilities are controled by the USDA. |
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Location: Kansas | I doubt there is any "humane" way to send a horse to a slaughterhouse or a "humane" way to kill a frightened animal unlucky enough to be sent there by people whose only interest is to make a buck.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Nita - 2017-07-12 10:36 PM If I'm reading that right, the slaughter houses would re-open WITHOUT regular inspections. Or, without any inspections. I'm opposed to that. I would like to see them re-opened in the US, but with proper oversight. I would also like to see more about the Right Horse Initiative. Thanks for posting that, Chandler's Mom. I could get behind something like that. I hope it's successful. Just the opposite actually:
Again, this Agricultural Bill has had an amendment, in past years, that pulls funding from the USDA to pay Inspectors for Slaughter houses processing horses. This in turn closed the doors on all facilites processing horses because they could not get an inspection. Thus they had to close.
The Bill has just been voted to pass WITHOUT this wordage, leaving funding for the USDA by the Federal Governement to pay inspectors for facilities processing horses. Therefore, in 2018 the USDA can now pay inspectors to inspect slaughter houses processing horses. It it speculation at this point who, where, or when slaughter houses will open back up in the US and just how many regulations will be put on the houses. I am hoping it is more economical to process humanely in the States, but if it is not, the majority may still end up in Mexico if the pricing is better per pound...
In reference to the gree highlighted area: Is there a way to Donate to this? Could someone post a link to donate to this?
If there is a way to donate, what are you doing to help this Initiative succeed?  Just a thought. I am sure they need funding too. 
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Frodo - 2017-07-13 8:01 AM I doubt there is any "humane" way to send a horse to a slaughterhouse or a "humane" way to kill a frightened animal unlucky enough to be sent there by people whose only interest is to make a buck.
I respect your opinion Frodo and I am in no way arguing with your point of view.
I do however, believe that anything is better than the treatment they get in Mexico....  We can't regulate Mexico or how they treat the horses there, but we can regulate those things here in the States.... |
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | I am for pro slaughter. We ran stock cows. I loved my calves just as much as I love my horses. Why is it that people can't stand to see a horse go to slaughter but have no feelings about sending a calf to slaughter. The whole horse industry would be better off with horse slaughter. |
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Location: Oklahoma | Good! Again, like others have said, I would rather all horses live to a ripe old age in belly deep grass but we all know this is a fantasy. My neighbor’s animals are a perfect example of those who would be far better off being sent in that direction. They are essentially feral animals with no care and starving to death! Even now when there is green grass, skin and bones because there is so many of them on the small acreage they are on. I feel any end is more humane then slowly starving to death! The only horse I have ever personally sent through a sale with full intentions of it going to a killer was a mare that was truly a dangerous animal. She was a flipper with no sense of self-preservation. There was no Clinton Anderson or Parelli-ing her out of this behavior as some will suggest. She was flat out dangerous. Yes, I could have just shot her but I didn’t have a way to cover her to prevent coyotes, buzzards and my dogs from eating her. As far as the human consumption argument, I still haven’t figured out why people are so against it. I would prefer to never have to taste horse meat but if my family was hungry, you bet your bottom dollar we would be having a horse roast tonight! Slaughter is a necessary evil but one we need in our country so it can be done better and held to a higher standard.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The inspectors they are talking about are the ones that inspect the MEAT to make sure of it's quality and the environment it was harvested in to make sure it's not contaminated. They were de-funded as a result of the EnviroNazi's efforts. If the meat isn't inspected, it cannot be used for human consumption. Period. There was NEVER a ban on horse processing. They aren't paying USDA inspectors to inspect it. If you can find someone who will dress out a horse carcass or do it yourself, you CAN harvest horse meat and eat it or feed it to your meat eating animals. It's just like shooting a deer and taking the carcass to a butcher to cut and wrap. You just can't hang an un-inspected carcass next to one that will be used for human consumption. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Quick3 - 2017-07-13 10:38 AM Good! Again, like others have said, I would rather all horses live to a ripe old age in belly deep grass but we all know this is a fantasy. My neighbor’s animals are a perfect example of those who would be far better off being sent in that direction. They are essentially feral animals with no care and starving to death! Even now when there is green grass, skin and bones because there is so many of them on the small acreage they are on. I feel any end is more humane then slowly starving to death! The only horse I have ever personally sent through a sale with full intentions of it going to a killer was a mare that was truly a dangerous animal. She was a flipper with no sense of self-preservation. There was no Clinton Anderson or Parelli-ing her out of this behavior as some will suggest. She was flat out dangerous. Yes, I could have just shot her but I didn’t have a way to cover her to prevent coyotes, buzzards and my dogs from eating her. As far as the human consumption argument, I still haven’t figured out why people are so against it. I would prefer to never have to taste horse meat but if my family was hungry, you bet your bottom dollar we would be having a horse roast tonight! Slaughter is a necessary evil but one we need in our country so it can be done better and held to a higher standard.
It's illegal to bury a horse in our county. The enviornment people claim it leaks medicine into the ground water...
And it might... But when the shelters refuse to help, when the rescues are full, when no one is funding these other alternatives and they are literally full to bursting what then?
If I wanted to shoot my horse and bury it, I would pay $1500 just for a disposal plus the cost of the tow truck to come haul it away.... ETA: I guess I was adding to what you already stated. I agree with you.
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| spitzh - 2017-07-13 12:16 PM
I like both initiatives that have been mentioned. I rather see a horse go to slaughter instead of being abandoned out in the middle of nowhere.
I have a lot of issues with slaughter. One being the lack of inspections.
However, I see this in almost every slaughter thread but is it that common for everyone to see horse neglected and starved due to "no way out?" I only say this because we have had quite a few neglect issues over the years I have seen and been fairly close to the investigation and the owners fought tooth and nail to keep them. They did not want to get rid of them and had zero intention to. So I guess this piece of the argument always irks me a bit because at least in my experience, the ones who starve and neglect see nothing wrong with it and are not in a bind. |
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Location: Oklahoma | IRunOnFaith - 2017-07-13 12:47 PM Quick3 - 2017-07-13 10:38 AM Good! Again, like others have said, I would rather all horses live to a ripe old age in belly deep grass but we all know this is a fantasy. My neighbor’s animals are a perfect example of those who would be far better off being sent in that direction. They are essentially feral animals with no care and starving to death! Even now when there is green grass, skin and bones because there is so many of them on the small acreage they are on. I feel any end is more humane then slowly starving to death! The only horse I have ever personally sent through a sale with full intentions of it going to a killer was a mare that was truly a dangerous animal. She was a flipper with no sense of self-preservation. There was no Clinton Anderson or Parelli-ing her out of this behavior as some will suggest. She was flat out dangerous. Yes, I could have just shot her but I didn’t have a way to cover her to prevent coyotes, buzzards and my dogs from eating her. As far as the human consumption argument, I still haven’t figured out why people are so against it. I would prefer to never have to taste horse meat but if my family was hungry, you bet your bottom dollar we would be having a horse roast tonight! Slaughter is a necessary evil but one we need in our country so it can be done better and held to a higher standard.
It's illegal to bury a horse in our county. The enviornment people claim it leaks medicine into the ground water...
And it might... But when the shelters refuse to help, when the rescues are full, when no one is funding these other alternatives and they are literally full to bursting what then?
If I wanted to shoot my horse and bury it, I would pay $1500 just for a disposal plus the cost of the tow truck to come haul it away.... ETA: I guess I was adding to what you already stated. I agree with you.
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2017-07-13 8:01 AM
I doubt there is any "humane" way to send a horse to a slaughterhouse or a "humane" way to kill a frightened animal unlucky enough to be sent there by people whose only interest is to make a buck.
I know exactly what you mean. . . All I can hope for is the MOST humane and least frightening. I was trying to explain the Mexican slaughterhouses to my momma (who knows NOTHING about horses or anything to do with them) yesterday, and by the time I finished her jaw had dropped; she may not be into horses but she couldn't believe or condone the horror of that. |
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Location: Arkansas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-07-13 8:15 AM
Nita - 2017-07-12 10:36 PM If I'm reading that right, the slaughter houses would re-open WITHOUT regular inspections. Or, without any inspections. I'm opposed to that. I would like to see them re-opened in the US, but with proper oversight. I would also like to see more about the Right Horse Initiative. Thanks for posting that, Chandler's Mom. I could get behind something like that. I hope it's successful. Just the opposite actually:
Again, this Agricultural Bill has had an amendment, in past years, that pulls funding from the USDA to pay Inspectors for Slaughter houses processing horses. This in turn closed the doors on all facilites processing horses because they could not get an inspection. Thus they had to close.
The Bill has just been voted to pass WITHOUT this wordage, leaving funding for the USDA by the Federal Governement to pay inspectors for facilities processing horses. Therefore, in 2018 the USDA can now pay inspectors to inspect slaughter houses processing horses. It it speculation at this point who, where, or when slaughter houses will open back up in the US and just how many regulations will be put on the houses. I am hoping it is more economical to process humanely in the States, but if it is not, the majority may still end up in Mexico if the pricing is better per pound... In reference to the gree highlighted area: Is there a way to Donate to this? Could someone post a link to donate to this? If there is a way to donate, what are you doing to help this Initiative succeed? Just a thought. I am sure they need funding too.
The website is therighthorse.org. I am tech challenged so don't know how to make things live, etc. I haven't gone to the website yet but hopefully it will help answer some of the questions y'all may have. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Quick3 - 2017-07-13 2:26 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-07-13 12:47 PM Quick3 - 2017-07-13 10:38 AM Good! Again, like others have said, I would rather all horses live to a ripe old age in belly deep grass but we all know this is a fantasy. My neighbor’s animals are a perfect example of those who would be far better off being sent in that direction. They are essentially feral animals with no care and starving to death! Even now when there is green grass, skin and bones because there is so many of them on the small acreage they are on. I feel any end is more humane then slowly starving to death! The only horse I have ever personally sent through a sale with full intentions of it going to a killer was a mare that was truly a dangerous animal. She was a flipper with no sense of self-preservation. There was no Clinton Anderson or Parelli-ing her out of this behavior as some will suggest. She was flat out dangerous. Yes, I could have just shot her but I didn’t have a way to cover her to prevent coyotes, buzzards and my dogs from eating her. As far as the human consumption argument, I still haven’t figured out why people are so against it. I would prefer to never have to taste horse meat but if my family was hungry, you bet your bottom dollar we would be having a horse roast tonight! Slaughter is a necessary evil but one we need in our country so it can be done better and held to a higher standard.
It's illegal to bury a horse in our county. The enviornment people claim it leaks medicine into the ground water...
And it might... But when the shelters refuse to help, when the rescues are full, when no one is funding these other alternatives and they are literally full to bursting what then?
If I wanted to shoot my horse and bury it, I would pay $1500 just for a disposal plus the cost of the tow truck to come haul it away.... ETA: I guess I was adding to what you already stated. I agree with you.
Sometimes people have no other option.... It's sad. It's truly, truly sad. |
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Ban on Horse Slaughter Lifted in the US for 2018