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| I recently purchased a 5 yr old pc frenchmans hayday gelding. He is very lazy is this typical for this bloodline. He is out of the mares trade lady eight. I know they dont all have the same personality but I would think there are some common traits. Also I find him to be stubborn I think because he is lazy. He is a super quiet gelding which I like but not a lot of pep. Just curious to know others with this bloodline and what their personality is like. |
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| I don't have one myself, but Stingray sure doesn't seem lazy! |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | My friend rode a few colts and said they're a tad on the lazy side. I think they perk up once they get a job.
He's not bred like that but I have a gelding that's lazy and stubborn but he comes alive when it's time to run. |
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| In my experience anything sun frost can be on the lazy side depending on what they are crossed with, I don't think its true laziness though, just that they are "energy conservers"... they'll give you effort when they think they need to. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | gunner07 - 2017-07-17 12:24 PM In my experience anything sun frost can be on the lazy side depending on what they are crossed with, I don't think its true laziness though, just that they are "energy conservers"... they'll give you effort when they think they need to.
I have a 4 year old with Sun Frost on her papers. "Conserving energy" is definitely what she does too......
She can move if she is asked to, but prefers to put it "in park" and take a nap. |
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Location: Tex. Panhandle | i had a Sunfrost Wonder gelding out of a Streakin Six bred mare. I loved that little guy, BUT he was lazy. I had to wear spurs from day one and constantly had to ride with my legs. He had a nice barrel pattern but man was he a ratey/turney little dude. He was as gentle as they come, esp for a colt. |
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Location: California | Haha I do not have a Sun Frost bred horse but my mare is definitely fits that mold...I'm going to use that from now on "energy conserver". Lol love it! |
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| They are STUBBORN, energy conservationists. I have two and love them to pieces. When it really counts and you need them to "wake up", they will try their hearts out for you. |
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| GoMistyGo - 2017-07-17 12:28 PM
gunner07 - 2017-07-17 12:24 PM In my experience anything sun frost can be on the lazy side depending on what they are crossed with, I don't think its true laziness though, just that they are "energy conservers"... they'll give you effort when they think they need to.
I have a 4 year old with Sun Frost on her papers. "Conserving energy" is definitely what she does too......
She can move if she is asked to, but prefers to put it "in park" and take a nap.
I would agree with this. I have a sunfrost/driftwood 3 year old. Quiet as can be but lazy and she really prefers if I tell her vocally to trot vs squeeze. She ignores me at first but if I say the word trot she moves right out LOL. She is a tad lazy but she also wants a job. When I was working on some ground stuff (flexion, moving off pressure), she was very very annoyed with me. |
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Location: OH | I have never had a Hayday but have been breeding Sun Frost horses for a long time and as others have said---can be a tad laid back till they have a job. Then the switch goes off---still not hot by any means but heading into make a run they will come alive. |
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| Thanks for all of the responses. I have only had this gelding 2 months and never had a sun frost bred horse so wasnt sure what to expect. I just know sun frost offspring are outstanding performers. This makes me feel better that laziness is typical for sun frost bred horses. Thanks again. |
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| Did you find that your sun frost horses were slow to develop? Mine is 5 like I mentioned and he is gangly and lacks topline. He has yet to bulk up. I am going to start him on forco and nutrena empower balancer. |
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Location: OH | handerson - 2017-07-17 3:03 PM Did you find that your sun frost horses were slow to develop? Mine is 5 like I mentioned and he is gangly and lacks topline. He has yet to bulk up. I am going to start him on forco and nutrena empower balancer.
Really---I think this can go horse to horse. I have had some that developed early and did well in the futurity game and others that were slower to mature. My Sun Frost son actually grew clear into his 6 year old year. |
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Location: OH | Here he is at seven, he obviously filled out. LOL
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Location: Bandera, TX | handerson - 2017-07-17 2:03 PM Did you find that your sun frost horses were slow to develop? Mine is 5 like I mentioned and he is gangly and lacks topline. He has yet to bulk up. I am going to start him on forco and nutrena empower balancer.
My girl is 4 and puberty hit her very early... she is very curvy and big. |
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| I have a son of Sun Frost and he is very laid back. However, I would never consider him lazy. He doesn't get hot but has more motor than I know what to do with most of the time. I was roping a pen of fresh cattle last week and he was the only of 4 heel horses I was using that didn't get stupid in the box after running that many hard and fast. I wish most of my other horses had a mind like his to complete a task then relax, rather than GO GO GO.
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Location: Claremore, OK | handerson - 2017-07-17 11:56 AM
I recently purchased a 5 yr old pc frenchmans hayday gelding. He is very lazy is this typical for this bloodline. He is out of the mares trade lady eight. I know they dont all have the same personality but I would think there are some common traits. Also I find him to be stubborn I think because he is lazy. He is a super quiet gelding which I like but not a lot of pep. Just curious to know others with this bloodline and what their personality is like.
All I can tell you is I owned and trained Trade Lady Eight. She was a beautiful mare with a super good attitude . She was quiet, but not lazy, just a really nice individual. |
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| Liana D - 2017-07-17 2:34 PM
handerson - 2017-07-17 11:56 AM
I recently purchased a 5 yr old pc frenchmans hayday gelding. He is very lazy is this typical for this bloodline. He is out of the mares trade lady eight. I know they dont all have the same personality but I would think there are some common traits. Also I find him to be stubborn I think because he is lazy. He is a super quiet gelding which I like but not a lot of pep. Just curious to know others with this bloodline and what their personality is like.
All I can tell you is I owned and trained Trade Lady Eight. She was a beautiful mare with a super good attitude . She was quiet, but not lazy, just a really nice individual.
Bred the way your gelding is ... there is no reason for him to be lazy ..
unless he has a big motor and has been taught to never go fast ..
Take him out with other horses and trail or pasture ride and just
have fun racing, galloping, loping trotting, jumping logs, and
resting. This will be easier with several horses .. he will
follow the other horses ..
As he learns he can run in the pasture .. use the cues to speed up
you are going to use in the barrel pen and how to slow down ..
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/pj+hayday
HAVE FUN
QUICK REVIEW: SCOUT LEADER TB was a great qh cross he created
TRIPPY DIP TB who created some speedy horses and top sires and her daughter FLORENTINE created another family of top qh speedsters!!
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I have a 6 yr old daughter...and while she can be lazy at home, she has one heck of a motor when we get to a show. She is absolutely a free runner and loves it. I think they just need a job.
As for filling out...don't have that issue with mine. She's a short tank. Baby got back to say the least..
Personally I love my daughter of Dinero and would absolutely consider another one if I was shopping.
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Location: Desert Land | I had a son of Dinero out of Coxes Major Streak who was the dam of Sherry Cervi's NFR mount Tinman. He was a very sweet colt, but VERY laid back. I actually wish I hadn't sold him - he was so easy and even at 4 yo had the right temperment to be a kids horse. |
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Location: Texas | The few Dineros Ive seen/been around I would definitely not call lazy either.. both were pretty cold backed when young and green and one worked out of it with age, the other not so much |
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This is an interesting post. I have a son of PC Frenchman's Hayday (Bully Bullion, Firewater Flit on the other side) that I absolutely LOVE, and he is a hot, hot mess. He's 2 years old and a huge stinker, very busy, slow maturing. He won't leave the others in the pasture alone, always picking at others, rearing, biting, etc. He is not broke yet - too immature. He sure looks the part, I'm hoping he will be real special.
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| I am trying to find out some history on him. I believe he will have "go" when I ask him. |
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I bet you won't have a "go" problem, I've had others laid back and lazy, but when they figure it out, they're set and ready.
Is the mare running bred?
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Location: OH | Runaway - 2017-07-19 9:34 AM
This is an interesting post. I have a son of PC Frenchman's Hayday (Bully Bullion, Firewater Flit on the other side) that I absolutely LOVE, and he is a hot, hot mess. He's 2 years old and a huge stinker, very busy, slow maturing. He won't leave the others in the pasture alone, always picking at others, rearing, biting, etc. He is not broke yet - too immature. He sure looks the part, I'm hoping he will be real special.
I will imagine that once he is given a job---the silliness will be gone. Hopefully anyways. |
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| Runaway - 2017-07-19 1:35 PM
I bet you won't have a "go" problem, I've had others laid back and lazy, but when they figure it out, they're set and ready.
Is the mare running bred?
Check out what Liana D said above (pg1) ..... you can google YouTube videos of the dam running and winning in the barrel pen, VERY nice mare. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | casualdust07 - 2017-07-18 1:13 PM The few Dineros Ive seen/been around I would definitely not call lazy either.. both were pretty cold backed when young and green and one worked out of it with age, the other not so much
The above is what I know of them. They were anything but lazy.LOL |
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Location: TX | I have a two year old by PC Frenchmans Hayday and out of Driftwood mare, just got him back from being broke and really like him and the trainer said he was going to be special and wants to please.
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| I ran Trade Lady Eight for years (she is actually the horse in my avatar) and have been around nearly all of her babies. I kept 2 mares out of her and my sister kept a gelding out of her. PJ is not like her other babies. They want to work, are very responsive and are definitely not lazy.
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| We have a 6 yr old gelding out of him. I understand the seem to be lazy thing but once he started working he is peping up every run. He is anything but lazy now. He is out of a granddaughter of Hempen. He is full of the funny stuff though, he can untie knots, take of his boots and is always busy. I would say they are a little maturing but he is coming on strong now. enjoy the quietness now. |
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| Yes his mother is running bred she has produced many 1D horses and was a 1D horse herself. |
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| That totally sounds like mine he takes everything you put on the fence off. He is very curious and nosey. He also puts his feed pan in the water trough. |
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Location: Central Iowa | I am excited to read this post as well. I have a yearling Slick by Design colt out of a $ earning daughter of PC Frenchmans Hayday. So far he is very laid back, easy going and just a puppy dog! I cant wait to get on him next year! |
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| Wondering if the original poster kept this gelding. I am in the same boat. 5 year old very lazy. |
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Location: torrington, wy | We have an own son, PB Getusum Dinero and he is an energizer bunny. He is also a stallion. but very well mannered, and easy to haul. He is a 1d barrel horse.
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| I like those traits. Quiet until they have a job. I think barrel racers are use to the hot headed nuts. Haha. |
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