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Would you buy a horse that had KS surgery?
WYOracer
Reg. Feb 2012
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I am just wondering what this does to a horse's sellability? I've reduced my gelding significantly to factor in the surgery but still have people baulking at the surgery. He is sounder than he's wver been and has zero soreness in his back and running consistent 1/2D times in Texas. I'm just wondering am I wasting my time posting him? We're trying to save for a downpayment for a house is why I'm listing him. Wondering what yalls thoughts are on the subject.
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
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WYOracer - 2017-07-24 7:41 PM I am just wondering what this does to a horse's sellability? I've reduced my gelding significantly to factor in the surgery but still have people baulking at the surgery. He is sounder than he's wver been and has zero soreness in his back and running consistent 1/2D times in Texas. I'm just wondering am I wasting my time posting him? We're trying to save for a downpayment for a house is why I'm listing him. Wondering what yalls thoughts are on the subject.

 No, that is a scary diagnosis and I would bet most people don't have enough knowledge about it to feel confident the surgery solved his pain issues.   He looks like a very nice horse. I sold a very well bred 3 year old who had a blown vein from some  extensive medical treatment. I did not put that in the add but did disclose it and released all medical records to any serious  buyers before they came to look at her.    You might take it out of your add and address it like I did so at least you get some calls 
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My answer is NO,as well. I just would not pay that much for a horse with that history.Honestly,if I were in the market,it would be high on my priorities for a pre purchase exam as well.
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WYOracer
Reg. Feb 2012
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rodeomom3 - 2017-07-24 6:57 PM

WYOracer - 2017-07-24 7:41 PM I am just wondering what this does to a horse's sellability? I've reduced my gelding significantly to factor in the surgery but still have people baulking at the surgery. He is sounder than he's wver been and has zero soreness in his back and running consistent 1/2D times in Texas. I'm just wondering am I wasting my time posting him? We're trying to save for a downpayment for a house is why I'm listing him. Wondering what yalls thoughts are on the subject.

 No, that is a scary diagnosis and I would bet most people don't have enough knowledge about it to feel confident the surgery solved his pain issues.   He looks like a very nice horse. I sold a very well bred 3 year old who had a blown vein from some  extensive medical treatment. I did not put that in the add but did disclose it and released all medical records to any serious  buyers before they came to look at her.    You might take it out of your add and address it like I did so at least you get some calls 

See I put it in in hopes of not having to deal with everyone and their mother calling and just thank you when they hear. I've owned him since he was 3 and he's had less injections (only had a coffin joint on one front foot injected a few times) than half the horses half his age but this is the big thing that had to happen to us I guess.
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2017-07-24 9:12 PM
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Several things here. There are many, many horses that have kissing spines and no one even knows that they do. I have a horse with kissing spines with fractures. My vet told me not to do surgery unless it was a last resort so he was injected until I retired him due to chips in his knee. He apparently had a rather hard life before I got him. My trainer had Dr Honnas do surgery on a horse and she never really came back from it. Personally, I think you have the horse priced a little high BUT if the horse can pass a prepurchase exam maybe you are close. It really depends a lot on what the horse has won SINCE surgery. Hope that helps.
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Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2017-07-24 9:24 PM
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Kudos to you! for being honest! If he is what you say he is, you don't have him priced too high!!!! What horse doesn't have something??? I would not be afraid to buy but I have a horse with mild kissing spine. People need to do the research and talk to different vets and find out more bout it and not miss an opportunity on a great horse! The right person will come along for him! just keep praying! :)) I wish I had the money and tome I would try him! Don't give him away!
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downngo
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2017-07-24 10:21 PM
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rodeomom3 - 2017-07-24 8:57 PM
WYOracer - 2017-07-24 7:41 PM I am just wondering what this does to a horse's sellability? I've reduced my gelding significantly to factor in the surgery but still have people baulking at the surgery. He is sounder than he's wver been and has zero soreness in his back and running consistent 1/2D times in Texas. I'm just wondering am I wasting my time posting him? We're trying to save for a downpayment for a house is why I'm listing him. Wondering what yalls thoughts are on the subject.
 No, that is a scary diagnosis and I would bet most people don't have enough knowledge about it to feel confident the surgery solved his pain issues.   He looks like a very nice horse. I sold a very well bred 3 year old who had a blown vein from some  extensive medical treatment. I did not put that in the add but did disclose it and released all medical records to any serious  buyers before they came to look at her.    You might take it out of your add and address it like I did so at least you get some calls 

Maybe y'all should ask Tiany who just WON $100+ at Calgary and is sitting #1 in the WPRA World with a quarter MILLION Won so far this year on HER Horse SHOW MANCE that had Kissing Spine Surgery. How many of you would turn that horse down??  Problem is folks need to get educated before passing opinions! Just like all the hype about HYPP, OCD, EPM, etc. etc......  
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2017-07-24 10:34 PM
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downngo - 2017-07-24 10:21 PM

rodeomom3 - 2017-07-24 8:57 PM
WYOracer - 2017-07-24 7:41 PM I am just wondering what this does to a horse's sellability? I've reduced my gelding significantly to factor in the surgery but still have people baulking at the surgery. He is sounder than he's wver been and has zero soreness in his back and running consistent 1/2D times in Texas. I'm just wondering am I wasting my time posting him? We're trying to save for a downpayment for a house is why I'm listing him. Wondering what yalls thoughts are on the subject.
 No, that is a scary diagnosis and I would bet most people don't have enough knowledge about it to feel confident the surgery solved his pain issues.   He looks like a very nice horse. I sold a very well bred 3 year old who had a blown vein from some  extensive medical treatment. I did not put that in the add but did disclose it and released all medical records to any serious  buyers before they came to look at her.    You might take it out of your add and address it like I did so at least you get some calls 

Maybe y'all should ask Tiany who just WON $100+ at Calgary and is sitting #1 in the WPRA World with a quarter MILLION Won so far this year on HER Horse SHOW MANCE that had Kissing Spine Surgery. How many of you would turn that horse down??  Problem is folks need to get educated before passing opinions! Just like all the hype about HYPP, OCD, EPM, etc. etc......  

The BBs on here HAVE had experience with kissing spine and that is why they are saying they would pass. There is NOTHING wrong with NOT buying a horse that has had a physical problem in the past. I won't be buying a horse with kidding spine because I DON'T know much about it and I am not sure I have the resources to properly care for said horse.
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downngo
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2017-07-24 10:40 PM
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Like I said, educate. Surgery is 4k - 5k and a 90 day recuperation period.  And that was quoted by one of the BEST Vets in Texas! Pretty worth it, in my book, for a horse that is Pro Caliber where ever they go! 

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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2017-07-24 11:16 PM
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downngo - 2017-07-24 10:40 PM

Like I said, educate. Surgery is 4k - 5k and a 90 day recuperation period.  And that was quoted by one of the BEST Vets in Texas! Pretty worth it, in my book, for a horse that is Pro Caliber where ever they go! 

I don't know much about kissing spine but I do know the surgery is just part of the recovery. There is rehabilitation and maintenance that has to be done. Not every horse who has the surgery comes back 100%. Also to be considered is what was the cause? Conformation, trauma, etc.? Will you have the time and resources to keep the horse pain free? How long before he starts hurting again? Sometimes it does come back. There is a lot to consider before buying a horse with past soundness issues. It is not something to be taken lightly.
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Reg. Jul 2008
Posted 2017-07-25 12:42 AM
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downngo - 2017-07-24 11:40 PM Like I said, educate. Surgery is 4k - 5k and a 90 day recuperation period.  And that was quoted by one of the BEST Vets in Texas! Pretty worth it, in my book, for a horse that is Pro Caliber where ever they go! 

and it doesnt always turn out like this.. 
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2017-07-25 7:09 AM
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downngo - 2017-07-24 10:40 PM Like I said, educate. Surgery is 4k - 5k and a 90 day recuperation period.  And that was quoted by one of the BEST Vets in Texas! Pretty worth it, in my book, for a horse that is Pro Caliber where ever they go! 

 Agree and a horse of that caibur  is definitely worth it but you are comparing apples and oranges.  For 15K you can find a horse that maybe is not as finished with no history of major physical issues.  I paid 16K for a nicely bred 6 year old that had only been entered a dozen times and was clocking 2D. 
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krape
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2017-07-25 11:02 AM
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 Educate, educate, and educate.  Kissing spine is NOT a career ending diagnosis.  A vet "that know" about kissing sping will tell you that 40 percent of all horses have kissing spine and most never have any problems with it.  Besides Tiany's great horse I know of several that have kissing spine and performing at the top at the pro level.  I know several horses that have had the surger, 90 days off, and back performing at top pro level. 
You don't do the surgery just because you find out your horse has kissing spine, don't do anything until your horse tells you if it's time, which may be never.  You also don't go to just any vet...surgery should only be a vet that is very up on this.
LOL, all board members should take their horse and X-ray.....how many of yours have kissing spine and you don't even know it.  Stupid is scared and unknowing.

 
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GLP
Reg. Oct 2013
Posted 2017-07-25 11:18 AM
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krape - 2017-07-25 11:02 AM

 Educate, educate, and educate.  Kissing spine is NOT a career ending diagnosis.  A vet "that know" about kissing sping will tell you that 40 percent of all horses have kissing spine and most never have any problems with it.  Besides Tiany's great horse I know of several that have kissing spine and performing at the top at the pro level.  I know several horses that have had the surger, 90 days off, and back performing at top pro level. 
You don't do the surgery just because you find out your horse has kissing spine, don't do anything until your horse tells you if it's time, which may be never.  You also don't go to just any vet...surgery should only be a vet that is very up on this.
LOL, all board members should take their horse and X-ray.....how many of yours have kissing spine and you don't even know it.  Stupid is scared and unknowing.

 

Scared and unknowing is not stupid it is cautious
Stupid is buying a horse with a condition you know very little about and not educating yourself about the condition.
Stupid is buying a horse with KS and thinking just because it had surgery you can no longer worry about the condition.
Stupid is thinking KS is no big deal just because Tiany's horse had it it and is now fine. She educated herself about it and takes the proper care and precautions of him.


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Reg. Dec 2010
Posted 2017-07-25 11:19 AM
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  As the owner of a horse with KS, I would likely never buy another horse with this condition again (I didn't know when I bought him). The only situation where there is a soft maybe that I would, is in a case like your horse where they have had the surgery and are doing well. I would not pay as much for him as I would a perfectly sound horse though.
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Reg. Mar 2005
Posted 2017-07-25 11:57 AM
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I would pass personally, but that doesn't mean the horse isn't sellable. I can find a lot of horse for 15k thats younger than 14 that doesn't have a history of KS. KS can be a pain to deal with... also a lot of horses get a diagnosis of KS when theres other stuff going on and we jump to looking at the back and miss things elsewhere, so that always is in the back of my mind too. Not saying that is the case at all, just having been out there seeing it, if you look at a lot of backs you will see non painful backs with changes, painful backs with minimal changes and everything in between.. its just a big muddy mess I don't want to deal with if I don't have to.
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WYOracer
Reg. Feb 2012
Posted 2017-07-25 12:32 PM
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See I assumed he wouldn't sell with having the surgery which in the end is fine with me. Faster down payment for a house would be great but if not he'll have a place in my trailer until he no longer wants to go.
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stayceem
Reg. May 2007
Posted 2017-07-25 12:40 PM
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I want to say 1st he looks like a super nice horse but also as someone with a horse with KS, I wouldn't buy one with it in their history.

For a few reasons... every vet I have asked, has a difference cause to it. Some day injury and some say conformation but yet I know quite a few horses with completely different builds. I also believe that it is a weakness in their back which is why a strong topline is crucial so if you repair on spot, will another spot pop up later?

The maintenance to keep their back strong, at least for my guy is long and I believe I am doing everything right but it required dedication.

My gelding has not had surgery because his is very mild... but this condition is heartbreaking and I would avoid it at all costs going forward. Wouldn't trade the gelding I have for all the money in the world but that's why I wouldn't buy. I don't want to go through the constant worry again.
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Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2017-07-25 12:55 PM
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I am in the same predictament.  Young, gorgeous, working a fabulous pattern, ready to be entered and asked for speed, and priced CHEAP for being an own son of Frenchmans Guy X Corona Cartel mare.  Can't get anyone to even look at him because he has had the KS surgery.  Surgery was done two years ago and has never had a single issue.  Someone is going to get one heck of a deal on a super nice horse if they would ever just come try him!
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rodeomom3
Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2017-07-25 1:10 PM
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krape - 2017-07-25 11:02 AM  Educate, educate, and educate.  Kissing spine is NOT a career ending diagnosis.  A vet "that know" about kissing sping will tell you that 40 percent of all horses have kissing spine and most never have any problems with it.  Besides Tiany's great horse I know of several that have kissing spine and performing at the top at the pro level.  I know several horses that have had the surger, 90 days off, and back performing at top pro level. 
You don't do the surgery just because you find out your horse has kissing spine, don't do anything until your horse tells you if it's time, which may be never.  You also don't go to just any vet...surgery should only be a vet that is very up on this.
LOL, all board members should take their horse and X-ray.....how many of yours have kissing spine and you don't even know it.  Stupid is scared and unknowing.

 
 Lol, you need to get your money back from the charm school you went too.   Most people try to start with as clean a slate as possible and everyone's threshold for what they could possibly have to deal with is different.   He must have been in pain and suffered diminished  performance to warrant surgery.  How long ago was the surgery and as SS said, what has he done since?   He looks like a very nice and honest horse and if I were looking I would call my vet and get his opinion, if he said pass, I would not go look.

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Reg. Oct 2011
Posted 2017-07-25 4:03 PM
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I know a great local horse that is awesome, he's gorgeous, has a nice record and he's for sale --- but he has had kissing spine surgery. The truth of the matter came down to my client could buy a comparable horse for the same dollar value that didn't have a previous surgery and passed a vet check.

I think the more placing's you can provide the better. You want to show that he hasn't lost his edge and in fact is better then ever. A surgery that is recent will scare people off but a surgery that is years ago with lots of earnings since will "dull" that concern.

Best of luck.
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Posted 2017-07-25 5:58 PM
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krape - 2017-07-25 11:02 AM  Educate, educate, and educate.  Kissing spine is NOT a career ending diagnosis.  A vet "that know" about kissing sping will tell you that 40 percent of all horses have kissing spine and most never have any problems with it.  Besides Tiany's great horse I know of several that have kissing spine and performing at the top at the pro level.  I know several horses that have had the surger, 90 days off, and back performing at top pro level. 
You don't do the surgery just because you find out your horse has kissing spine, don't do anything until your horse tells you if it's time, which may be never.  You also don't go to just any vet...surgery should only be a vet that is very up on this.
LOL, all board members should take their horse and X-ray.....how many of yours have kissing spine and you don't even know it.  Stupid is scared and unknowing.

 
 Lol, you need to get your money back from the charm school you went too.   Most people try to start with as clean a slate as possible and everyone's threshold for what they could possibly have to deal with is different.   He must have been in pain and suffered diminished  performance to warrant surgery.  How long ago was the surgery and as SS said, what has he done since?   He looks like a very nice and honest horse and if I were looking I would call my vet and get his opinion, if he said pass, I would not go look.

Surgery was last September with Honnas followed his rehab and did thirty days aquatred before starting to ride him brought him along slowly. Running about 2 tenths off winner in 1D everywhere I've gone with him in central Texas area. Back running since end of March.
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2017-07-25 6:17 PM
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rodeomom3 - 2017-07-25 12:10 PM
krape - 2017-07-25 11:02 AM  Educate, educate, and educate.  Kissing spine is NOT a career ending diagnosis.  A vet "that know" about kissing sping will tell you that 40 percent of all horses have kissing spine and most never have any problems with it.  Besides Tiany's great horse I know of several that have kissing spine and performing at the top at the pro level.  I know several horses that have had the surger, 90 days off, and back performing at top pro level. 

You don't do the surgery just because you find out your horse has kissing spine, don't do anything until your horse tells you if it's time, which may be never.  You also don't go to just any vet...surgery should only be a vet that is very up on this.

LOL, all board members should take their horse and X-ray.....how many of yours have kissing spine and you don't even know it.  Stupid is scared and unknowing.


 
 Lol, you need to get your money back from the charm school you went too.   Most people try to start with as clean a slate as possible and everyone's threshold for what they could possibly have to deal with is different.   He must have been in pain and suffered diminished  performance to warrant surgery.  How long ago was the surgery and as SS said, what has he done since?   He looks like a very nice and honest horse and if I were looking I would call my vet and get his opinion, if he said pass, I would not go look.
Surgery was last September with Honnas followed his rehab and did thirty days aquatred before starting to ride him brought him along slowly. Running about 2 tenths off winner in 1D everywhere I've gone with him in central Texas area. Back running since end of March.

 Nice and Honnas is a great vet.That is a great price for that tough of a horse -even with his history.

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you know what I think is you just keep lowering the price little by little until you have some nibbles.  The public will tell you when you are getting into the price range.........he looks nice but for his age and that price that is a strong price for a gelding that had that surgery........ 
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Reg. Apr 2007
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I would not hesitate to buy him as long as he was at least 6 months post surgery and was running well and could pass vet check otherwise. Oh would have to add if Honnas did the surgery. I am probably the weird one, but I have now had 3 with KS! I have had surgery on 2 and they came back better than they were prior to surgery. I really think education is the key! It can be a scary diagnosis of you do t take the time to educate yourself about the condition. My horses have no post operative issues and don't require any other "maintenance" for their back. I have no regrets. If someone like the horse and they clique then I don't think it should hold them back....but that that's just based on my experiences
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I saw your ad on facebook. Thank gosh there are honest people like you left. Honestly, I wouldnt be totally out on him. Especially if he is a bargain because of the surgery and still performed as he did before. I would have him checked out by my vet and if I fit him I would be willing to talk business. He seems pretty nice! 

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stayceem
Reg. May 2007
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Not to thread steal but has anyone had any luck finding research about the causes of KS? The few articles I have read have blamed conformation but yet it seems as if horses with long backs, short backs and many in between have this condition. Also, my horse without a doubt and few others I know that have been diagnosed have all taken a bad tumble and then had symptoms following but none prior to the fall.

I will say, I am inclined to think it is injury related. But I think this is why KS is so concerning to me is the lack of research or info out there. My concern with the surgery is longevity? If it is conformational then what is to say another few processes wont be effected later?

Not intended to start an argument but wanting to see others experience and knowledge.
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Posted 2017-07-26 12:18 PM
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Probably not unless it was priced "cheap" for what it truly is. My main concern would be scar tissue building up over time where the surgery was done. That said, if you make several runs with videos and verifiable stats to show his competitiveness AFTER the surgery, that should still help sell him. The biggest road block I see for you after seeing his ad is his age. It is hard to sell a horse over 10 yrs old no matter how good they are, especially priced over $10,000. In the past I could not get people to even come look at a super nice rodeo horse that was 11 or 12 yrs old. People think they are on their last leg even though if you take good care of them, they can last many more years without slowing down due to age. Watching the video on the ad, I personally think he looks pretty awesome and if I were looking, I would certainly consider at least trying him and making an offer. He could be the deal of the day.
Kissing spine is not caused by injuries. It is caused by oversized bones in the spine and the ligaments that run along the spine being too tight, causing bones to rub bones, especially when a horses flexes while making turns. It will normally show up and start causing problems between ages 5-7. The harder the horse is ridden, the more the ligaments will tighten, the more severe the pain issue will be. Injections do not fix the problem, they MAY mask the problem temporarily. There are some good vets doing the surgery very successfully. (Dr. Honnas is one of them.) There are other vets totally screwing up the surgery. I won't buy a horse without x-raying their back these days. That is the FIRST thing to get xrayed if they pass the flexion exams.
Tiany's horse is living proof that a KS horse with the surgery done by the right vet can recover and be 100% sound. Her horse is beyond amazing.
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Well I took some of yalls advise and reduced the price and will just disclose everything to actual potential buyers. We shall see. We actually found a house with property that would be perfect so if it's meant to be it will be I guess!
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quickdraw - 2017-07-26 12:18 PM

Probably not unless it was priced "cheap" for what it truly is. My main concern would be scar tissue building up over time where the surgery was done. That said, if you make several runs with videos and verifiable stats to show his competitiveness AFTER the surgery, that should still help sell him. The biggest road block I see for you after seeing his ad is his age. It is hard to sell a horse over 10 yrs old no matter how good they are, especially priced over $10,000. In the past I could not get people to even come look at a super nice rodeo horse that was 11 or 12 yrs old. People think they are on their last leg even though if you take good care of them, they can last many more years without slowing down due to age. Watching the video on the ad, I personally think he looks pretty awesome and if I were looking, I would certainly consider at least trying him and making an offer. He could be the deal of the day.
Kissing spine is not caused by injuries. It is caused by oversized bones in the spine and the ligaments that run along the spine being too tight, causing bones to rub bones, especially when a horses flexes while making turns. It will normally show up and start causing problems between ages 5-7. The harder the horse is ridden, the more the ligaments will tighten, the more severe the pain issue will be. Injections do not fix the problem, they MAY mask the problem temporarily. There are some good vets doing the surgery very successfully. (Dr. Honnas is one of them.) There are other vets totally screwing up the surgery. I won't buy a horse without x-raying their back these days. That is the FIRST thing to get xrayed if they pass the flexion exams.
Tiany's horse is living proof that a KS horse with the surgery done by the right vet can recover and be 100% sound. Her horse is beyond amazing.

Which horse is it of Tiany's? I tried a google search and I found one of Stevi Hillman's did....
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quickdraw
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Posted 2017-07-26 10:28 PM
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Stacey, "downngo" stated that Tiany's horse had the KS surgery......Show Mance?? I had not heard or read about it but I do know several rodeo horses that have had the surgery and came back better than before since they have fixed the pain issue.
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Posted 2017-07-27 9:54 AM
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stayceem - 2017-07-26 10:12 AM Not to thread steal but has anyone had any luck finding research about the causes of KS? The few articles I have read have blamed conformation but yet it seems as if horses with long backs, short backs and many in between have this condition. Also, my horse without a doubt and few others I know that have been diagnosed have all taken a bad tumble and then had symptoms following but none prior to the fall. I will say, I am inclined to think it is injury related. But I think this is why KS is so concerning to me is the lack of research or info out there. My concern with the surgery is longevity? If it is conformational then what is to say another few processes wont be effected later? Not intended to start an argument but wanting to see others experience and knowledge.

my horse never fell, but I think mine is due to a horrible shoer and vet I had when she was young. It took years to fix her feet again, but I think she had been compensating in other parts of her body for so long which is what I believe caused it.  
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spitzh
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Posted 2017-07-28 9:54 AM
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I think you are having an issue just because ALOT of other horses are in that price range that have a better health record, so people shy away from his issue. Just curious, why would you sell him after dumping all the money and time into him? He sounds like a nice fit for ya.


I had a mare I was winning local barrel races on. She was awesome. Great all around horse, could do anything with her. I wanted to sell her to buy a prospect. (dumb idea) She was 12 years old and grade. I sold her for $3500. No one wanted to buy a grade horse, if she was registered. I could have sold her $15-20k. The new owner was kicking butt locally. I regret every moment of that sell. Ive learned, when you have a great one. Keep em'. I recently bought a 17 yr old gelding, didnt pay alot for him. People like to shy away from older horses. I dont, they are seasoned and are typically easy to ride. No schooling during the week, just fun to ride around. I dont tell people how old he is because it doesnt matter. He kicks a** at races. Ive heard some great rumors on his age and how much i paid for him. Its entertaining.
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SlashD
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Posted 2017-07-29 7:19 PM
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If the horses passed a prepurchase exam and can do what you say heck yes Is buy it. I've got one in recovery right now from KS surgery. Knowledge is the key.

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barrelbasher - 2017-07-26 9:34 AM

I would not hesitate to buy him as long as he was at least 6 months post surgery and was running well and could pass vet check otherwise. Oh would have to add if Honnas did the surgery. I am probably the weird one, but I have now had 3 with KS! I have had surgery on 2 and they came back better than they were prior to surgery. I really think education is the key! It can be a scary diagnosis of you do t take the time to educate yourself about the condition. My horses have no post operative issues and don't require any other "maintenance" for their back. I have no regrets. If someone like the horse and they clique then I don't think it should hold them back....but that that's just based on my experiences

This. No hesitation whatsoever. My KS horse had no post op issues either and turned in some amazing runs afterwards.
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Posted 2017-07-30 11:44 AM
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spitzh - 2017-07-28 8:54 AM

I think you are having an issue just because ALOT of other horses are in that price range that have a better health record, so people shy away from his issue. Just curious, why would you sell him after dumping all the money and time into him? He sounds like a nice fit for ya.


I had a mare I was winning local barrel races on. She was awesome. Great all around horse, could do anything with her. I wanted to sell her to buy a prospect. (dumb idea) She was 12 years old and grade. I sold her for $3500. No one wanted to buy a grade horse, if she was registered. I could have sold her $15-20k. The new owner was kicking butt locally. I regret every moment of that sell. Ive learned, when you have a great one. Keep em'. I recently bought a 17 yr old gelding, didnt pay alot for him. People like to shy away from older horses. I dont, they are seasoned and are typically easy to ride. No schooling during the week, just fun to ride around. I dont tell people how old he is because it doesnt matter. He kicks a** at races. Ive heard some great rumors on his age and how much i paid for him. Its entertaining.

We're buying a house and need a better down payment. If he doesn't sell we're selling a horse trailer but insurance actually covered all the surgery and so if he stays with me he'll be with me forever.
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Posted 2017-08-21 2:06 PM
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 So three weeks ago I couldn't GIVE this horse away.  I just didn't have the time or energy to ride and haul him because I was focusing on my other two that I bred and raised.  But I have been EXTREMELY blessed to have found a new friend that only lives three miles from me.  Well...  In the past three weeks this horse has won money in the 1D EVERY time he has run, having only been entered about six times EVER!!!!  And these weren't no little, no one there, barrel races.  Just for example, he placed second behind Jackie Jatzlau and her good horse King this past Saturday night WITH MISTAKES.  Needless to say...  his price has gone up and will continue to go up the more credentials he racks up.  He is being entered in a CPRA this Thursday night, the ANHA in Waco the following weekend and we may even make a run at an American Semi Finals.  This guy is one special dude and someone is going to be equally blessed to get him!  Just saying...  don't be afraid of those KS horses.  They come back tougher and grittier than ever because they are no longer in pain.

https://barrelhorseworld.com/horsedetail.asp?ID=347925
 
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