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| I listed my horse on dream horse he is a nice honest gelding no vices has benn hauled sorted on knew the barrel pattern broke well enough for ranch classes trail rode like a dream nice looking. The kind of horse that just wants to please. I priced him at 6500 a lady came out of state to try him she explained she wasn't allowed to have mares,cribbers,or back shoes at her boarding facility he fit the description I offered and did pull his shoes offered to let her stay another day and make sure she like him,she seen him tied to a post a hitching post and moving freely in his stall. She said she needed a prepurchace exam on my day off since she lived out of state I took the horse he passed so she agreed to buy him I dropped my price 500 dollars I didn't charge her to haul the horse to the vet or pulling the shoes. She picked him up on Friday loved him and was so excited. I received cash wrote her a receipt gave her the papers with a transfer with a signed receipt no contract we never discussed a trial period which I don't do. 6:00 am Monday I received a text not a phone call that the horse was a cribber and for me to make arrangements to return her money she would be bringing him back later in the day!!! This horse wasn't a cribber when he left my house. I was dumbfounded. I sold the horse because I love to show he wasn't fast enough and I can't keep them all what's your opinion? |
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I would tell her to p i s s up a rope.
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Location: CTX | 1DSoon - 2017-07-27 6:42 AM Assuming what you say is truth,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I would tell her to p i s s up a rope.
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | No way! She saw the horse in stall, he wasnt cribbing.You have no return policy, you arent Walmart... Tell her all sales final and have a good day. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | She sounds like a nut job. Depends how much you like the horse and want to see him go on and win and have a happy home...if you do, I personally would consider giving money back IF she brought him back the way you sold him. (ie: he's still sound, not injured, etc.). There's no way IMO he "learned" to crib in a weekend. She probably saw him chew on something and thought it was cribbing...I've seen one too many people that don't know the difference. But typically, yeah, all sales are final and I do have contracts on everything I sell for that reason. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Ask for video of horse cribbing |
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | I've taken horses back, but always less $ returned. Plus, you're already out cash for the extras you did to accommodate her. You are by no means obligated to take him back though. I'd be interested if she could cough up a video of him cribbing as well. |
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Location: SW MO | If the horse was truly a cribber I wouldn't think he would pass a vet exam or at least it would have discussed don't they have excessive wear to their teeth? |
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Location: Upstate New York | Offer to take him back, at less than what she paid for him. Plus if you have to go get him, charge her for that also. Then resell him for the original asking price of $6,500. OR she can produce proof that he is definitely cribbing. |
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| Of course she could be a total phsyco crazy lady, but you met her .... is she? She could be lying to you about the cribbing (most likely - if he doesnt crib he doesnt crib) BUT she could truly be a wonderful person who is struggling with REAL anxiety over it all. The lying about cribbing isn't good..but if you choose to be kind about it all and ask if something is really bothering her maybe shed come clean.
If you had intention of taking him back - tell her to sleep on it and maybe she will settle down and it'll work out.
If you don't intend to take him back under any circumstances that's your call - but be kind. My guess is she's struggling and that is the worst feeling ever and not everyone can understand that. :/ |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I agree with Wyoming BR, a true cribber will have worn front teeth..Is this horse sucking air or just chewing up boards? I have one if you stall him up he will chew up boards when he gets bored or no hay in front of him.. How long has she had him? |
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| star1218 - 2017-07-27 10:44 AM
Of course she could be a total phsyco crazy lady, but you met her .... is she? She could be lying to you about the cribbing (most likely - if he doesnt crib he doesnt crib) BUT she could truly be a wonderful person who is struggling with REAL anxiety over it all. The lying about cribbing isn't good..but if you choose to be kind about it all and ask if something is really bothering her maybe shed come clean.
If you had intention of taking him back - tell her to sleep on it and maybe she will settle down and it'll work out.
If you don't intend to take him back under any circumstances that's your call - but be kind. My guess is she's struggling and that is the worst feeling ever and not everyone can understand that. :/
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Southtxponygirl - 2017-07-27 9:48 AM I agree with Wyoming BR, a true cribber will have worn front teeth..Is this horse sucking air or just chewing up boards? I have one if you stall him up he will chew up boards when he gets bored or no hay in front of him.. How long has she had him?
yes we have too since ours are used to free roaming pasture. If we lock them up in the wood corrals they often chew and they have free choice hay in a bale feeder and loose salt and mineral. Doesn't seem to matter if they are bored. |
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Location: Canada | crossspur - 2017-07-27 10:01 AM
If the horse was truly a cribber I wouldn't think he would pass a vet exam or at least it would have discussed don't they have excessive wear to their teeth?
Mine is a horrendous cribber and the collar only slows him down and his teeth are perfect.
ETA - Spelling error.
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Location: Canada | Sounds like she is having buyers remorse. You can either offer to take him back at a reduced price and resist him or leave him with her.
I'd ask for proof as well. If she can text she can send you a video or picture of it happening.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | RunNitroRun - 2017-07-27 12:15 PM crossspur - 2017-07-27 10:01 AM If the horse was truly a cribber I wouldn't think he would pass a vet exam or at least it would have discussed don't they have excessive wear to their teeth? Mine is a horrendous cribber and the collar only slows him down and his teeth are prefect.
must just make a difference on how hard they bite down then? My mare was 4 when I got her and her top teeth are nearly level with her gum line. A collar stops her but she is in pasture often and she will walk 3 miles just to crib on a fence post. If she is at the windmill she will crib on the tank and any post/fence around the windmill. Downfall and trees when she is in the creek pasture. She's terrible, but I notice she really chomps down when she goes to it. I have personally never seen a cribber that didn't have proof of it in their teeth. |
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| roxieannie - 2017-07-27 8:59 AM
Ask for video of horse cribbing
That is what I was thinking but I would put a time frame maybe a coe of days. If your horse has to be returned, he needs to be as much like when you sold him as possible. If the cribbing showed up in a couple of dawgs, they should have enough time to get a video in that time.
I have one that gets a whole pipe in his mouth at feeding time and another on that runs her bottom teeth down the pipe at feeding time. Neither of these horses are cribbers. Is it possible that she has no idea what a cribber is?
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Location: Texas | crossspur - 2017-07-27 10:01 AM If the horse was truly a cribber I wouldn't think he would pass a vet exam or at least it would have discussed don't they have excessive wear to their teeth?
^^^^^ This. If he is a cribber, it should have been noted on pre-purchase exam. She would be out of luck. |
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Location: OH. IO | tin can - 2017-07-27 6:11 AM
I listed my horse on dream horse he is a nice honest gelding no vices has benn hauled sorted on knew the barrel pattern broke well enough for ranch classes trail rode like a dream nice looking. The kind of horse that just wants to please. I priced him at 6500 a lady came out of state to try him she explained she wasn't allowed to have mares,cribbers,or back shoes at her boarding facility he fit the description I offered and did pull his shoes offered to let her stay another day and make sure she like him,she seen him tied to a post a hitching post and moving freely in his stall. She said she needed a prepurchace exam on my day off since she lived out of state I took the horse he passed so she agreed to buy him I dropped my price 500 dollars I didn't charge her to haul the horse to the vet or pulling the shoes. She picked him up on Friday loved him and was so excited. I received cash wrote her a receipt gave her the papers with a transfer with a signed receipt no contract we never discussed a trial period which I don't do. 6:00 am Monday I received a text not a phone call that the horse was a cribber and for me to make arrangements to return her money she would be bringing him back later in the day!!! This horse wasn't a cribber when he left my house. I was dumbfounded. I sold the horse because I love to show he wasn't fast enough and I can't keep them all what's your opinion?
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| I told her her barn manager probably didn't know the difference between cribbing and a new nervous horse chewing on wood to try a equipride tub could be mineral deficiency, and that a cribbers top two teeth will show wear and that I went above and beyond to help her and didn't appreciate her acting like I lied to sell her a horse. I made it clear I never gave her a trial period and I wouldn't refund her money to keep him and enjoy a well broke horse, that the horse has never cribber and I would hear no more of it.
Then I felt so guilty he is such a nice gelding I paid 6000 for him he just wasn't quick enough for a barrel horse or a top sorter.I have always felt it's wasteful to keep a horse around no one uses if I buy one and they make a show horse I keep them forever. I really felt she was a good fit she had owned one other horse who was lame and wanted an honest gelding to trailride I put a lot of wet saddles pads he worked cows and was pretty. I also was Leary of taking him back because they turn all there geldings out in one field. Thanks for all the input made me feel a little better. |
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Location: OH. IO | tin can - 2017-07-27 7:39 PMI told her her barn manager probably didn't know the difference between cribbing and a new nervous horse chewing on wood to try a equipride tub could be mineral deficiency, and that a cribbers top two teeth will show wear and that I went above and beyond to help her and didn't appreciate her acting like I lied to sell her a horse. I made it clear I never gave her a trial period and I wouldn't refund her money to keep him and enjoy a well broke horse, that the horse has never cribber and I would hear no more of it.Then I felt so guilty he is such a nice gelding I paid 6000 for him he just wasn't quick enough for a barrel horse or a top sorter.I have always felt it's wasteful to keep a horse around no one uses if I buy one and they make a show horse I keep them forever. I really felt she was a good fit she had owned one other horse who was lame and wanted an honest gelding to trailride I put a lot of wet saddles pads he worked cows and was pretty. I also was Leary of taking him back because they turn all there geldings out in one field. Thanks for all the input made me feel a little better. Sounds like a very good response and I know how you feel about feeling bad for the horse hopefully she will ride him some each day and realize what a good solid safe horse he is:)
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2017-07-27 8:22 AM She sounds like a nut job. Depends how much you like the horse and want to see him go on and win and have a happy home...if you do, I personally would consider giving money back IF she brought him back the way you sold him. (ie: he's still sound, not injured, etc.). There's no way IMO he "learned" to crib in a weekend. She probably saw him chew on something and thought it was cribbing...I've seen one too many people that don't know the difference. But typically, yeah, all sales are final and I do have contracts on everything I sell for that reason.
I had a gelding for 2 years that never cribbed. We were going on vacation and the person that usually would come and take care of him wasn't available so I put him in a boarding stable for 10 days. He started to crib in that amount of time. I would have never believed it if I hadn't have it happen to me personally. My sister turned him out everyday for me while he was there. |
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Location: California | Smh I've had several horses occasionally chew on **** just to be a pain in my ass but were NOT cribbers. . . Horses sometimes are just buttholes. |
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Location: Florida | I have an older gelding who did not have any bad habits until I retired both of use. He first started cribbing, then wind sucking. He was 13 years old at the time. He wasn't shut in a stall, out 24/7 but he managed to break almost every feeder in the barn pulling on them. After a few years he stopped. Never seen anything like it. |
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