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Location: Oklahoma | I seen these at the local feed store this morning. Has anyone used either of these? Results? Feedback? Thanks in advance. |
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| Also interested in this. Does anyone know how many pounds are in a bag of Purina Outlast and what is the cost of a bag of this is? |
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| There was another thread on this a bit ago, one person indicated she was not impressed with the Ultium gastric care and actually had a horse choke on it.
I just saw that my feed store has it in stock, but I think we will stick with the Ultium, love how everything looks and works on it. |
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Location: Oklahoma | it's a 40 pound bag and I think they told me $36 for the Outlast
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| OhMax - 2017-07-28 12:24 PM
There was another thread on this a bit ago, one person indicated she was not impressed with the Ultium gastric care and actually had a horse choke on it.
I just saw that my feed store has it in stock, but I think we will stick with the Ultium, love how everything looks and works on it.
Yes, it was my horse that choked on it. It's nothing like the original ultium as far as texture and smell.. very dry and had lots of beet pulp in it. I was not impressed at all. It's still sitting in my feed room, I'm going to dump it in the field behind us, maybe the deer will enjoy it. I haven't tried the outlast supplement itself but it was priced at $40 at my feed store, the gal said the recommendation was for a cup a day ... I believe it's a 40 lb bag. I'm just sticking with the platinum performance. I will add, I think purina puts out a great product... and my horse is very choke prone but he never had an issue with the original ultium.
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I'm currently doing a trial with the Outlast. |
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| My trainer has two of my horses on OUTLAST. She likes it. She gives to one horse at barrel races as a treat. Purina recommends this. |
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Location: MO | It is a 40# bag and ranges between $35-$40.
Purina suggests a cup (8 oz), twice a day and to use it as a 'treat' about half hour before a stressful situation, such as hauling, racing, etc.
You HAVE to think of the outlast as Tums for horses. It lasts approx 2 hours after given. I don't see it being used twice a day unless your horse stresses in a stall, etc...but again the affects only last about 2 hours so is it really necessary to use it twice a day? Not sure. I would def consider using it before a stressful sitation, sinilar to anything else you may use to calm nerves or stomachs (Equi-Sure comes to mind).
You may want to use it as a top dressing if you think your feed can cause more acid production or indigestion symptoms, just like if you get indigestion eating crap food. I love Fritos and white cheese dip, but also know how I feel after and have the tums bottle on stand by. LOL
I have a horse (not mine) get fed outlast about 15 or so minutes before saddling up and the horse basically quit trying to bite the owner when they cinched up. Said horse was also being treated for ulcers at the same time and is now on a maintenance dose of omeprazole. This did seem to help with symptons while going through the treatment. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I would like to hear your experience with the Outlast
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| I have only been feeding it for a month-ish because it is so new to the market. So far I like what I see. I have a mare that has a sensitive tummy from the pasture and her poop looks MUCH better than normal. Both horses seem to have good energy without being sugar crazy and have good endurance.
I also had a mare get REALLY sick. (8 days at the vet and came back looking like a rescue recovery in progress horse...) She has picked up weight AMAZING on the Gastric Care the last couple weeks. |
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Location: SE KS | I had a horse leased out, leasee "oiled" him said he had "bugs", would the Gastric Care help with this? |
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| I just bought a 40# bag of Outlast today for $32 so I'll update in a couple weeks when I get a chance to try it on my two boys.
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Location: SE KS | Any updates with how this feed is working for you??? |
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| I was curious how the Outlast "worked" The ingredient label I saw I thought it was mainly a calcium supplement??? Does the calcium just soothe the stomach and then I wondered why plain old alfalfa wouldn't work?
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| I have put both of mine on the Outlast and just put a few ounces in their feed in the evenings or in the mornings before we run. Will see how it goes by end of the bag. |
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| oranges - 2017-08-08 4:34 PM
I was curious how the Outlast "worked" The ingredient label I saw I thought it was mainly a calcium supplement??? Does the calcium just soothe the stomach and then I wondered why plain old alfalfa wouldn't work?
The magnesium oxide helps too. Download the pdf file for Outlast and there's a study done on there comparing the buffering capacity of Outlast to different things including alfalfa. I've been feeding it for about a week now but haven't been able to ride much due to rain. Have a barrel race Wednesday and usually my horse gets pretty loose stool so I'll feed it beforehand and see how it goes. |
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Location: "Si Fi" Ville | I'm starting to see what looks like some positive results from the Outlast. I currently am giving it to a 3 yo in pasture who is a hard keeper and paces the fence some.
She is more chilled and has gained weight. |
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| Bumping this back up. I just started it over the weekend. THey may have tweeked the formula since summer cause it is certainly NOT DRY like the person said above that had the choke issue. It has nearly the same consistency as the regular ultium and even MORE moisture than the regular. If you have ever seen Triple Crown senior, looks identical. My horses have been on regular ultium for long time and the ingredients are almost identical so I'm pretty much switching over and not really doing as slow of a change like I would with a new feed. I like that the gastric care has LESS fat, and couple hundred less calories per pound. |
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| I went through two bags of Outlast to give it the ol' college try but I wasn't super impressed. Didn't see much of a change as far as needing to treat for ulcers less and he still had his super runny stool that he gets at races and hauling. One of the things I've noticed is he'll grind his teeth as soon as I put the saddle on if he's having issues with ulcers, and after about a two weeks on the Outlast the teeth grinding was getting progressivly worse. I ended up taking him off of it, treating with omeprazole for 10 days and now he's on the MVP gastroplex. Hasn't ground his teeth since then but I also haven't been able to haul lately due to lack of time and snow. I'm headed to Arizona in the next couple weeks so I'll update after that if it helped at all. |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | Just started my 3 year old colt on the ultium gastric care. He's had some gut issues so we'll see how this turns out. got a screaming deal on it So i was like sure... why not. i'll update in 30 to 60 days |
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Location: Ohio girl moved to PA | Ive had my boys on the OUTLAST for a month now, just finished our first bag and they love it. They are getting 1 cup morning and night top dressed on 2.5 pounds of Kalm n EZ and they get 1 cup before hauling. I've really seen a good difference in them. No nervous runny poo and they are happier at shows/rodeos. I paid $30 for a 40lb bag from a friend that works at agway and can get it cheaper but i normally see it in stores for $37-$40. Im pulling them off of it for now since they are on winter break and wont be doing anything but i plan to put them back on it when we start back up. |
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| I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!! |
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| I've been using both since October and love the results I've seen. My horse was having bad gate issues. So I thought what the heck, I'll try it. I've tried so many other things, won't hurt. Ever since I have started using these two Purina items, my horse has gone in the gate with no issues. From big two day weekend races, to small little club races, he goes right in. I feed the Ultium Gastric every day, and 1 1/2 cups of the Outlast the night before a race and then then another 1 cup or so an hour before we run. The only way to know if this is really what's made the change is to stop using - but it's the only change I made so I'm not taking a chance. This is too easy of a fix. |
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Location: Middle TN | I happily moved both my horses to our own property from a boarding facility and within 2 months they both became hot headed and my main horse - 10 yr old gelding - is more of a fire breathing dragon and can't even take to a show and tie to the trailer and run my mare without him going off the charts nuts muss less run him:( I had him on Nutrena maintenance while I worked on house/barn that actually had 20% starch - yes my bad:/ I'm in the process of changing him to Purina Ultium - only been 4 days (cant find Gastric Care in these parts) Should I add the Outlast as well until I can find a store to order it for me? Also, what are your thoughts on stalling? I haven't been and have let them enjoy to lush green grass - that's probably bad too - but boy they sure do look good. I have tried all sorts of calming supplements to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium? |
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Location: Middle TN | Thanks for your opinion - gave me some ideas of how to hopefully calm the dragon.
Barn isn't fully ready but a dry lot is w/a run in shed. They are being worked a little 2 or 3 days a week now - depending on whether - but no not full on yet. Arena is ready though so that has helped a lot.
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| shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
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Location: North Dakota | FLITASTIC - 2017-12-19 2:45 PM
shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
Have you noticed any favorable changes in your horses other than the fact they like it? or is it more of a "for $0 extra its worth the try" |
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| shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 1:18 PM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-19 2:45 PM
shakeit0410 - 2017-12-19 9:11 AM
FLITASTIC - 2017-12-12 11:05 AM
I'm a week in on the Ultium Gastric care and my horses are really loving it to!!
My horses have been on Ultium for a couple years now. What's the price difference between Ultium and Ultium gastric? Is it worth switching over completely? or just adding the outlast to the Ultium?
My feed store has both formulas at the same price! I switched completely so I only have to feed 1 thing.
Have you noticed any favorable changes in your horses other than the fact they like it? or is it more of a "for $0 extra its worth the try"
I have! I have a very nervous but super hard working 1d mare. She has quit pacing and warms up much more calm. They say you have to feed 4 pounds of it at once to get the full dose of outlast. I never do that!! I feed 3 pounds a day split into 3 feedings and don’t supplement with additional outlast by itself. The gastric care is also lower in fat for my easier keepers. I have also noticed it won’t amp one up like ultium would. |
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Location: MO | I have never heard of the 4 pound rule. I have been told by Purina reps that a 1/2-1 pound am and pm, and then handfuls aboput half hour before you saddle to run. |
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Location: North Dakota | Shushi - 2017-12-22 10:20 AM
I have never heard of the 4 pound rule. I have been told by Purina reps that a 1/2-1 pound am and pm, and then handfuls aboput half hour before you saddle to run.
The 4# would be in reference to the Ultium feed with the Outlast supplement already in it. What the reps told you would be the Outlast on its own |
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| I have just started my horse on the Outlast supplement following his first ever showing me symptoms he had ulcers. He went off grain etc until after the vet gave him meds etc for ulcers. This was the only thing he would eat bc it made his stomach feel better. Now he is looking great and has even performed better at my first race back with him last weekend winning the 2D !
I chose to just feed the Outlast supplement after talking to my Purina Rep. she said that in order for my horse to get a full dose (200 grams) he weighs 1050lbs that he would need to be eating at least 4lbs of the Ultium Gastric Care grain per feeding.
Since my horse maintains on much less grain than that and i prefer to keep it that way I like just feeding the Outlast supplement instead.
He gets the supplement in the am and pm. And if I am competing he gets it about one hour out from my run.
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Location: Ohio | I have been feeding the Ultium Gastric Care for a few months and am happy with it. Can you top dress the Outlast on the gastric care? It is my uderstandin that the Gastric Care already has the Outlast formula in it? |
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| SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary. |
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| OhMax - 2017-12-24 5:33 AM
SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary.
That’s interesting it costs more. My feed store charges exact same price for regular and gastric care ultium. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2017-12-24 8:19 AM
OhMax - 2017-12-24 5:33 AM
SawyerBrown - 2017-12-19 11:06 AM
Yes, you should add the Outlast on top of the Ultium until you can start the Ultium Gastric. IMO - if you're not working them, I wouldn't feed the Ultium. With no regular workout the sugar is probably making them hot. Add the green grass and they're loaded with energy with no workout to release it. Purina has some great feeds without sugar if you need to give them something. And maybe consider putting them out to graze during the day and bringing them in off the grass at night. Again, just my opinion. Good luck!
Ultium actually is pretty low NSC, so low starch and sugar - like 15%. I know it looks like it should be a sweet feed, but it’s not. We actually started feeding it to one we thought might have PSSM.
We feed it to our year round and back then off a bit when not in work just because they’d are all easy keepers, but we’ve noticed ours are much calmer and more focused then they were on a higher nsc diet.
As for the gastric care - we can’t justify the extra cost on 4 head that don’t have obvious gastric issues, but we do plan to use the Outlast over the hauling season as a precautionary.
That’s interesting it costs more. My feed store charges exact same price for regular and gastric care ultium.
Ours was almost a $7/bag difference! $24 and change for the Ultium and $31 for the Gastric Care!
I haven’t sat down and done the math but I think we can just use the Outlast for the same or less money, especially since we only feed 2-3lbs/day of Ultium they’d be better off getting the Outlast separately anyway. |
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Has anyone tried Purina Outlast or Ultium Gastric Care