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Location: Somewhere around here | Nothing really stands out to me but I like it because I'm a fan of Sun Frost horses. |
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| There are some nice horses here but the ones I like are too far back to be much of an influence. Unless you want to run with the WPRA girls, why not? Conformation and soundness are really more important for the level where you will probably compete. If you like the horse, go for it. |
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Location: Montana | The only name that really stood out to me anywhere close was Sun Frost, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to move up in the world of speed and D's, but I can't afford a horse that is already running in the faster D's, so I have to take a started one and move it up. I have a solid 4D horse, and she's a good horse and knows the pattern, she's just a solid 4D horse and I don't really need another 4D horse.
She is good looking, stout, well built, and pretty (a palimino), but like I said the Sun Frost is the only real "barrel" line I see on her papers. |
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| mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 1:59 PM
The only name that really stood out to me anywhere close was Sun Frost, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to move up in the world of speed and D's, but I can't afford a horse that is already running in the faster D's, so I have to take a started one and move it up. I have a solid 4D horse, and she's a good horse and knows the pattern, she's just a solid 4D horse and I don't really need another 4D horse.
She is good looking, stout, well built, and pretty (a palimino), but like I said the Sun Frost is the only real "barrel" line I see on her papers.
If this is your desired outcome, I would say the horse probably is not going to have enough speed. My suggestion is to stick with the horse you have and go attend a clinic. I would bet that wil be the most helpful thing. I you do decide to get a faster horse, you will be more ready.
I have a horse that can runs in the top 10 with 500+ entries. Can I ride her? No. She is way too much horse for me. I think if you work on yourself, you will improve. Also, make sure your horse is in shape and feels like running. Hope this helps |
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Location: Texas | Here's one I had yrs ago liked her so much I bred 2 mares to Cut The Gin. And would do it again if he were alive. Them suckers can down right turn. The speed was there to. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=MISS+C... |
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Location: Montana | streakysox - 2017-07-29 5:06 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 1:59 PM The only name that really stood out to me anywhere close was Sun Frost, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to move up in the world of speed and D's, but I can't afford a horse that is already running in the faster D's, so I have to take a started one and move it up. I have a solid 4D horse, and she's a good horse and knows the pattern, she's just a solid 4D horse and I don't really need another 4D horse.
She is good looking, stout, well built, and pretty (a palimino), but like I said the Sun Frost is the only real "barrel" line I see on her papers. If this is your desired outcome, I would say the horse probably is not going to have enough speed. My suggestion is to stick with the horse you have and go attend a clinic. I would bet that wil be the most helpful thing. I you do decide to get a faster horse, you will be more ready. I have a horse that can runs in the top 10 with 500+ entries. Can I ride her? No. She is way too much horse for me. I think if you work on yourself, you will improve. Also, make sure your horse is in shape and feels like running. Hope this helps
I couldn't agree more. I do my best to keep my mare in shape, and I keep running her and will keep running her until she tells me she is ready to retire (she is 16 this year). I am working on being a better rider and being in better shape. I had intended to take lessons this spring with my trainer, but winter lasted so long it was June before I had my mare ready. I had hoped to attend a Sarah Rose McDonald clinic this upcoming week, but the scheduling didn't work out right with work, so that is just that. But I will keep working towards maybe some lessons or a clinic on my steady Eddy, and keep my eye out for that right horse. :) |
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| mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 7:41 PM
streakysox - 2017-07-29 5:06 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 1:59 PM The only name that really stood out to me anywhere close was Sun Frost, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to move up in the world of speed and D's, but I can't afford a horse that is already running in the faster D's, so I have to take a started one and move it up. I have a solid 4D horse, and she's a good horse and knows the pattern, she's just a solid 4D horse and I don't really need another 4D horse.
She is good looking, stout, well built, and pretty (a palimino), but like I said the Sun Frost is the only real "barrel" line I see on her papers. If this is your desired outcome, I would say the horse probably is not going to have enough speed. My suggestion is to stick with the horse you have and go attend a clinic. I would bet that wil be the most helpful thing. I you do decide to get a faster horse, you will be more ready. I have a horse that can runs in the top 10 with 500+ entries. Can I ride her? No. She is way too much horse for me. I think if you work on yourself, you will improve. Also, make sure your horse is in shape and feels like running. Hope this helps
16 years old is not that old. If you want to get a better edge, you might take the horse to the vet to see about injecting. Check teeth. Proper shoeing. I just spent about $1000 having teeth done a different farrier shoeing to vets specs and getting injections. Just do happened to all come due at the same time. My horse takes care of me so I have to take care of him. He is firing better than he has in about 5 years. Mine is 14. One other suggestion---I started mine on ACTIFLEX 4000 a couple of months ago.
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Location: California | I LOVE cowbred horses and you really cannot beat their mind, but if I was in your position and just looking for ONE new horse, and wanting it to launch you in the D's, I would get a pure race bred horse. A lot of great barrel horses are cowbred but your odds are higher for the desired speed with race bred. I say this from personal experience and lots of $$$ spent later. |
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Location: Montana | streakysox - 2017-07-29 9:30 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 7:41 PM streakysox - 2017-07-29 5:06 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-07-29 1:59 PM The only name that really stood out to me anywhere close was Sun Frost, that's why I'm asking. I'm trying to move up in the world of speed and D's, but I can't afford a horse that is already running in the faster D's, so I have to take a started one and move it up. I have a solid 4D horse, and she's a good horse and knows the pattern, she's just a solid 4D horse and I don't really need another 4D horse.
She is good looking, stout, well built, and pretty (a palimino), but like I said the Sun Frost is the only real "barrel" line I see on her papers. If this is your desired outcome, I would say the horse probably is not going to have enough speed. My suggestion is to stick with the horse you have and go attend a clinic. I would bet that wil be the most helpful thing. I you do decide to get a faster horse, you will be more ready. I have a horse that can runs in the top 10 with 500+ entries. Can I ride her? No. She is way too much horse for me. I think if you work on yourself, you will improve. Also, make sure your horse is in shape and feels like running. Hope this helps 16 years old is not that old. If you want to get a better edge, you might take the horse to the vet to see about injecting. Check teeth. Proper shoeing. I just spent about $1000 having teeth done a different farrier shoeing to vets specs and getting injections. Just do happened to all come due at the same time. My horse takes care of me so I have to take care of him. He is firing better than he has in about 5 years. Mine is 14. One other suggestion---I started mine on ACTIFLEX 4000 a couple of months ago.
I couldn't agree with you more. I keep her UTD on teeth, farrier/proper shoeing/proper angles/good farrier will to work with vet...she hasn't been injected yet, but haven't had injections recommened to me for her...yet. Her biggest draw back, if you want to call it that, is she is little, and the outdoor arenas are too big for her...she does great on the smaller, indoor patterns, but we don't have many of them around here. |
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| Small horse, big arena really is not a good combination. Sherry Crevi has always planned carefully which arena she runs Stingray in because she is small. Your best bet would be running bloodlines. My broodmares are of the track and I breed to stallions with strong barrel racing bloodlines. I really plan to sell my babies but sometimes I just can't part with them. Sometimes you can pick one up off the track for a reasonable price but always have them vet checked
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Location: Montana | streakysox - 2017-07-29 11:07 PM Small horse, big arena really is not a good combination. Sherry Crevi has always planned carefully which arena she runs Stingray in because she is small. Your best bet would be running bloodlines. My broodmares are of the track and I breed to stallions with strong barrel racing bloodlines. I really plan to sell my babies but sometimes I just can't part with them. Sometimes you can pick one up off the track for a reasonable price but always have them vet checked
Thanks for the good advice...someone else said running bloodlines would be best too. Appreciate your help.
If I could run my mare at smaller arenas, I would, but we really don't have hardly any around here. We have a couple, but no one puts on barrel races at them. So I take what I can get as far as barrel races go. |
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| I love those papers. We have a horse by Pat Cowan that is showing a lot of promise, and I like what the lines go back to on the bottom. I would not solely go off of papers to try and get a 1D prospect. I would look at the slope of the shoulder, that determines the quality of stride. I would also look at how close the back feet track to the front feet when walking and trotting. A horse that tracks close together moves up under itself naturally. Those horses tend to be more athletic. I can't afford a 1D horse either, so I have had to buy horses that don't have the name brand papers. I look at build and how they move before anything else. |
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I would put them in the cow horse string. Wouldn't buy them for a barrel horse regardless of their looks... but that's just me!
Good luck with whatever you decide.
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| I know that stallion. He is super. He is/was owned by double dollar ranch, Greg Kesler. I'm sure you have heard of Greg's son Quinn who was heeling at the NFR last year. They are from Holden Utah. He is a big, stout beautiful horse. They rope a ton on him and he is top tier. They sell a ton of rope horses each year at the BFI in Reno. Horse should be athletic and well trained if it came thru their program.
Stud is probably 15.3 with tons of speed.
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| I like those papers, I see more I recognize further back but this horse should be athletic and quick.
I have always been the odd man out on this board about cow horses vs running bred. But I have also seen many cow horses win on a national level so I don't believe a horse has to be bred to run in order to be higher in the D's. Finding a true 1D caliber horse is next to impossible and such a gamble. But if you are looking for a horse with 2D/3D potential then I don't see why this horse shouldn't fit the bill especially if built right and broke nice.
My advice, find a horse that suits your needs and that works for you without too much emphasis on bloodlines. A lot of people have a hard time riding a running bred horse and their style is much more complimentary on a cow horse or vice versa. My current gelding is 2D/3D and is bred for western pleasure/hunt seat. But our styles and personalities work well together which matters more than anything. |
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| stayceem - 2017-07-31 9:36 AM
I like those papers, I see more I recognize further back but this horse should be athletic and quick.
I have always been the odd man out on this board about cow horses vs running bred. But I have also seen many cow horses win on a national level so I don't believe a horse has to be bred to run in order to be higher in the D's. Finding a true 1D caliber horse is next to impossible and such a gamble. But if you are looking for a horse with 2D/3D potential then I don't see why this horse shouldn't fit the bill especially if built right and broke nice.
My advice, find a horse that suits your needs and that works for you without too much emphasis on bloodlines. A lot of people have a hard time riding a running bred horse and their style is much more complimentary on a cow horse or vice versa. My current gelding is 2D/3D and is bred for western pleasure/hunt seat. But our styles and personalities work well together which matters more than anything.
I agree with this 100%. My current gelding is a solid 2D horse, and is grade. We owned his dam (registered AQHA) and I have a copy of his sire's APHA papers, but there's nothing anyone would recognize on either side. Maybe he was just a fluke, but I wouldn't discount this horse's potential based on his papers. I wouldn't expect him to be a 1D horse at big shows, but if he's put together nice and has a good handle on him, he should certainly have at least the potential to be a 2D/3D horse. And if he turns out to be another 4D horse, I would think he'd be an easy sale if he's good looking and nice to be around. |
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Location: Montana | Thanks very much for all the input. I try to give horses the benefit of the doubt, as there ARE a lot of nice horses out there that their papers aren't name brand.
I can't post pics of this horse, because she isn't mine (I'm supposed to look at her Wednesday night at a barrel race), but from the pics I've seen she's nice looking!
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