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Location: PA | I just bought a new horse. She comes with papers, but no signed transfer. The current owner listed on the papers is not who I bought her off of. Is there still a way for me to get her transfered to me? Can AQHA help?? |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | If you could get in touch with the old owner listed on the paper that would be your best bet. AQHA will require each, subsequent owner (which could be more than just the lady you bought her from), to transfer to their name(s) and then into yours.
If the old owner is willing to sign transfer papers directly to you that's the easiest (although not AQHA's preferred) method to do it if you get what I mean.
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Location: PA | Ok, that is sort of what I figured. I'll have to see if I can find the current owner listed, and ask if she'd sign a transfer. |
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| Normally, if you can't seem to contact the previous owner on your own, call the AQHA and they will help. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Good luck, it took my cousin a year! So annoying, I don't know why people don't just sign the flipping paperwork! |
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Location: PA | SmokinGirlie - 2017-08-01 2:40 PM Good luck, it took my cousin a year! So annoying, I don't know why people don't just sign the flipping paperwork!
Oh Ugh....im not TOO worried about it. If I can't transfer her, I can't transfer her. I have no plans to breed her or anything. She's a new one for Kaiden.  |
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Location: California | I have known several people to just fill out the transfer with the owner listed and then sign it for them and send it in. Never had an issue, can't see there being one unless the horse was stolen. I never transfer but I do always keep the signed one for potential buyer. |
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Location: North Dakota | I have 4 horses I have in my name-all with transfers and bills of sale etc. I called AQHA and they told me what I had to do and it was done in no time. I've never understood why you wouldn't call them first and see what they say-it's not like this thing doesn't happen every day-an seriously the AQHA wants your money so they aren't going to make things impossible for you! |
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Location: PA | LMS - 2017-08-01 3:18 PM I have 4 horses I have in my name-all with transfers and bills of sale etc. I called AQHA and they told me what I had to do and it was done in no time. I've never understood why you wouldn't call them first and see what they say-it's not like this thing doesn't happen every day-an seriously the AQHA wants your money so they aren't going to make things impossible for you!
I plan on calling AQHA. I do not have her home, or her papers in hand yet, so figured I'd ask on here in case someone had been in the same boat.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I don't know why but my cousin had to go through the ringer, tracking down previous owners that weren't listed on her papers etc. It was a mess and yes she contacted AQHA right when she got mare to see what to do. Numerous letters had to be mailed to the previous owner that wasn't listed etc. |
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Location: NW. Florida | I would not call AQHA, just call the last name on the papers and get them to sign a transfer. If the name on the papers won't sign a transfer, you just have an unregistered mare. |
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Location: SW New Mexico | BRcwgrl81 - 2017-08-02 1:24 PM
LMS - 2017-08-01 3:18 PM I have 4 horses I have in my name-all with transfers and bills of sale etc. I called AQHA and they told me what I had to do and it was done in no time. I've never understood why you wouldn't call them first and see what they say-it's not like this thing doesn't happen every day-an seriously the AQHA wants your money so they aren't going to make things impossible for you!
I plan on calling AQHA. I do not have her home, or her papers in hand yet, so figured I'd ask on here in case someone had been in the same boat.
I wish it was that easy..
My brother traded for a nice head /heel horse, 18 years old..
The papers were the original AQHA papers, with the breeder listed as owner..
This horse was 18 ,,had numerous owners, never transferred the papers to a current owner. In order for us to update the papers we'd had to find the breeder from 18 years ago, who was deceased.. This horse couldn't be updated. Had to settle for as grade . Ropers are especially bad about trading without signed transfers ...it seems.
This is a pet peeve of mine. Sellers advertising a papered horse, but if there's no transfer from last recorded owner, you're in for a potentially long process ... sleuthing around , trying to track these people down, some of which aren't happy the product of their breeding or training program's paperwork wasn't updated with each owner..
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Location: Texas | AQHA called me a year or so ago about a horse I'd sold 10 years prior. The person had the papers and no transfer. They sent me a form, I signed it, and they transferred the horse. (They'd asked me who I'd sold the horse to, and I didn't remember the guy's name.) |
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Location: California | LMS - 2017-08-01 12:18 PM I have 4 horses I have in my name-all with transfers and bills of sale etc. I called AQHA and they told me what I had to do and it was done in no time. I've never understood why you wouldn't call them first and see what they say-it's not like this thing doesn't happen every day-an seriously the AQHA wants your money so they aren't going to make things impossible for you! That's interesting to me, it took me almost a year, tons and tons of phone calls, written letters, etc, to get a mare into my name. I had her original papers and bill of sale and they were not good to work with. Had I known it would take that long and I would potentially not get her papers, honestly I would have probably fibbed on a transfer paper. I bought her to be a broodmare, and I'm sorry, without proof of who she is, it drastically cuts down the price on the horse.
Although this is the only hassle I've ever had with AQHA, I wouldn't buy a horse without a signed transfer paper again.
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| There was a thread about this a short time ago. There were a lot of people who never bother to transfer papers. Every horse that I ever bought was transferred into my name and I had the papers back within a week. To get them transferred without a filled out transfer is a major problem. AQHA has specific rules that they strictly adhere to. If the papers are not in order, I move on. |
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Location: PA | I found someoneon Facebook with the same name that used to live in the city/state listed on the papers as the current owner. I think i'll send her a message and see if she'll just sign the transfer for me. I mean...i would do it, if someone asked me too! Not sure why someone wouldn't.....
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Location: North Dakota | huh, sounds like I was lucky when I called in, wish I would have gotten the gals name i spoke with-she was amazing-she asked me who the previous owners were (to my knowledge) if I knew their addresses (which on 1 I did and the other I did not) and she took it from there. What a pain- I would be tempted to call AQHA until I found someone who was decent..... I can see why people would lie on the papers-which is one of my biggest pet peeves because it seems to happen all the time. Hope your issue is resolved easily. |
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| Im not saying you should just sign the persons name and send it in, but Im saying sign the persons name and send it in lol. |
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| scwebster - 2017-08-02 12:57 PM
Im not saying you should just sign the persons name and send it in, but Im saying sign the persons name and send it in lol.
That's a little sketchy. I personally would not care but if that horse was part of a dispute and the previous owner figured it out they might come after someone for forgery. Bad news. |
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Location: North Dakota | It's a pain in the arse but it can be done.
It took 9 months for me to get a horse we bought into my name b/c we didn't have the signed transfer reports. They send letters to everyone they can track down, and literally give them 60 days to respond to the letter. I understand why they do it (to try to minimize STOLEN horses changing hands) but it takes a looooong time.
And found out with my ordeal you actually DO NOT need to send AQHA your bill of sale. They don't even use it. That was a surprise to me because I always send it in.
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Location: North Dakota | scwebster - 2017-08-02 12:57 PM Im not saying you should just sign the persons name and send it in, but Im saying sign the persons name and send it in lol.
That's called forgery.
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Location: North MS | I had a similar situation- They have to send in a copy of the death certificate and then the heir has to sign the transfer papers. The horse became the legal heir's property upon death. |
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| LMS - 2017-08-01 2:18 PM
I have 4 horses I have in my name-all with transfers and bills of sale etc. I called AQHA and they told me what I had to do and it was done in no time. I've never understood why you wouldn't call them first and see what they say-it's not like this thing doesn't happen every day-an seriously the AQHA wants your money so they aren't going to make things impossible for you!
If you have transfers with the papers AQHA will have the papers changed into your name and you will have them back in 10 days or so. The problem is when there is NO transfer. I believe that is the case here. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 12:27 PM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?...
Call AQHA I bet theres a way they would help you out.  |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 12:27 PM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?...
It's fine, there's just more paperwork. Call AQHA and they will tell you what you need to do. |
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| r_beau - 2017-08-03 10:24 AM scwebster - 2017-08-02 12:57 PM Im not saying you should just sign the persons name and send it in, but Im saying sign the persons name and send it in lol. That's called forgery.
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Location: California | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 10:27 AM
Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?...
You have to get the heirs of the "property" to sign off on transfer, and I believe a death certificate. Also, if they want to, they can totally take your horse back without reimbursement. I had a similar situation and after a year finally got her papers. Will not do it again. |
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Location: California | I will say, if you have a transfer paper signed by the person whose name is on the papers, and then the person you bought the horse from fills out a transfer form, they can still transfer into your name. But you have to have the original transfer form filled out, along with additional "owners" filling out a transfer paper. And if memory serves correct, a copy of the bill of sale. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | *almost there* - 2017-08-04 10:22 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 10:27 AM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... You have to get the heirs of the "property" to sign off on transfer, and I believe a death certificate. Also, if they want to, they can totally take your horse back without reimbursement. I had a similar situation and after a year finally got her papers. Will not do it again.
I have a bill of sale but that is all... Surely a bill of sale would hold up court if they tried to take him back?
I don't believe they will. |
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Location: California | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-04 9:55 AM *almost there* - 2017-08-04 10:22 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 10:27 AM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... You have to get the heirs of the "property" to sign off on transfer, and I believe a death certificate. Also, if they want to, they can totally take your horse back without reimbursement. I had a similar situation and after a year finally got her papers. Will not do it again.
I don't believe they will.
No because there is no proof the person you "purchased" the horse from ever legally owned the horse, so it makes it "stolen property" where the people on the papers could refuse signing and releasing the horse to you. |
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Location: California | *almost there* - 2017-08-04 1:32 PM
IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-04 9:55 AM *almost there* - 2017-08-04 10:22 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 10:27 AM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... You have to get the heirs of the "property" to sign off on transfer, and I believe a death certificate. Also, if they want to, they can totally take your horse back without reimbursement. I had a similar situation and after a year finally got her papers. Will not do it again.
I don't believe they will.
Or do you mean you have a bill of sale with the person whose name was on the papers? |
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Location: Kansas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 12:27 PM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... If memory serves right, I believe you need to have a document from a will stating the horse was given to say a son/daughter etc. upon death, from there that individual is allowed to sign the transfer with copy attached? I believe that is what AQHA told me a few days ago. If they don't have that info, you're pretty much SOL
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | *almost there* - 2017-08-04 3:33 PM *almost there* - 2017-08-04 1:32 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-04 9:55 AM *almost there* - 2017-08-04 10:22 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 10:27 AM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... You have to get the heirs of the "property" to sign off on transfer, and I believe a death certificate. Also, if they want to, they can totally take your horse back without reimbursement. I had a similar situation and after a year finally got her papers. Will not do it again.
I don't believe they will. Or do you mean you have a bill of sale with the person whose name was on the papers?
The last, and only person on the papers is who I bought the horse from. There would be no tracking down every person on the papers. He is the only one listed.
I talked with AQHA. I am filling out paperwork for a transfer and a duplicate copy of the papers should the papers be misplaced by whomever AQHA can get in contact with for the original papers. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | hoofs_in_motion - 2017-08-04 3:42 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-03 12:27 PM Without stealing the thread, can someone tell me what to do if the last owner on the papers has died?... If memory serves right, I believe you need to have a document from a will stating the horse was given to say a son/daughter etc. upon death, from there that individual is allowed to sign the transfer with copy attached? I believe that is what AQHA told me a few days ago. If they don't have that info, you're pretty much SOL
I spoke with them and told them the situation. We are getting our ducks in a row. They are confident they can get the papers to me. Whether they be duplicate or original. |
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