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| I have a horse with significant front right foot lameness. Only visible in a circle on hard ground. Went to the vet and it didn't change with nerve blocks in every part of the foot/leg. Shoulder and Elbow are normal after hard flexion. Cervical Verrebrate X-rays are normal. His soreness is bad enough that he refuses his first barrel (right) and is extremely gate sour. Completely at loss of what to do. Vet suggested running him hard until it's very obvious what hurts. I can't bring myself to do that to him especially when he is in enough pain that he refuses barrels. I have gotten 3 different vet's opinions. Any suggestions/prayers is appreciated. |
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| Did the vet use hoof testers on him? Did he x-ray the foot? He could be sore in his frog or heels. I am currently dealing with this, that's why it was my first thought.
How is he shod? Does he have pads on? |
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| Have you checked the suspensory? Be sure to ultrasound as a tear or injury wont show up on an xray.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Is this the same horse that you had a thread on Standing weird? |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-08 10:22 AM
Is this the same horse that you had a thread on Standing weird?
Yes, this was the first time the vet actually found lameness. |
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| RedHead84 - 2017-08-08 10:17 AM
Did the vet use hoof testers on him? Did he x-ray the foot? He could be sore in his frog or heels. I am currently dealing with this, that's why it was my first thought.
How is he shod? Does he have pads on?
She used hoof testers and blocked his heels and feet. She said his feet and shoe job look great. Normal shoes |
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| veintiocho - 2017-08-08 10:17 AM
Have you checked the suspensory? Be sure to ultrasound as a tear or injury wont show up on an xray..
Didn't improve when they nerve blocked that area so she didn't think we needed to ultrasound or X-ray anything |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-08 10:34 AM veintiocho - 2017-08-08 10:17 AM Have you checked the suspensory? Be sure to ultrasound as a tear or injury wont show up on an xray.. Didn't improve when they nerve blocked that area so she didn't think we needed to ultrasound or X-ray anything
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2017-08-08 10:51 AM
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-08 10:48 AM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-08 10:34 AM veintiocho - 2017-08-08 10:17 AM Have you checked the suspensory? Be sure to ultrasound as a tear or injury wont show up on an xray.. Didn't improve when they nerve blocked that area so she didn't think we needed to ultrasound or X-ray anything
^^^THIS. Get the x-rays. Even though his right seems to be the problem, get both fronts done. |
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | We know a young lady that had her horse to several vets for lameness with no answers. This went on over a period of time and every time he appeared to be getting better, he would come up lame again. Turns out the horse had Lyme disease. Got the horse proper treatment and he is back to winning again. I know it was a long and frustrating process for the family. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I also second x-ray both front feet - possible founder or navicular. |
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| I had a gelding like that, and he did great when the vet did the blocks. The vet told me he thought it was a high suspensory injury, probably near/at the knee. |
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Location: Texas | Can you go into further detail about the nerve blocks the vet did- how many, where and what the response was? I know you said the foot and leg was blocked and no response but there's a lot of places that can be blocked and I just want to be thorough.
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Location: OH. IO | Get x-rays on feet.in the long run it will save you money and it's a good idea to have Base line x-rays anyways. I can't believe three or four vets now have not done them! At this point you should INSIST THAT THEY DO!!! THEN GO FROM THERE.GOOD LUCK AND KEEP US POSTED;) |
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| My last gelding was the type to always go in and run a pattern - it might be ugly but we'd make 3 circles around 3 barrels.
One night at a rodeo we got behind #2 and he took off straight back to the timer line like something bit him on the a**. Totally not like him at all. Made a vet appt the next day.
Trotting circle on concrete, very obviously lame.
His angles didn't look bad from the outside but a hoofpick in between the bulbs of his heels on one side revealed extreme soreness. X-rays revealed his toes were far too long and heels too low for what was actually going on inside of the hoof. He was stressing his suspensory and I'm glad I took him to the vet instead of just training on him, easily could have torn it.
Shoed him to the X-rays, problem solved.
I would defiantly look at that more and xray the feet, ultrasound the lower leg and fetlock.
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| Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . .
Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later. |
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| Collateral ligament tear, my horse was lame only in a circle to the left, nerve blocks did not improve the lameness (common with collateral ligament tears), we x rayed, injected coffin joints, special shoeing...we did it all. Finally the vet did an ultrasound on her medial collateral ligament (we did leverage testing to determine if it was the medial or lateral collateral ligament that was bothering her) and we saw the tear. We were lucky to see it on ultrasound because sometimes it is to deep and can only be seen with MRI. Treatment was a denoix collateral ligament shoe, shockwave therapy and time off. She had about a year off total. This could be your problem, or not but just like to throw this out there is weird lameness cases because it is an under diagnosed/misdiagnosed problem a lot because it can be hard to diagnose without MRI. |
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| Love2runbarrels - 2017-08-09 3:58 PM
Collateral ligament tear, my horse was lame only in a circle to the left, nerve blocks did not improve the lameness (common with collateral ligament tears), we x rayed, injected coffin joints, special shoeing...we did it all. Finally the vet did an ultrasound on her medial collateral ligament (we did leverage testing to determine if it was the medial or lateral collateral ligament that was bothering her) and we saw the tear. We were lucky to see it on ultrasound because sometimes it is to deep and can only be seen with MRI. Treatment was a denoix collateral ligament shoe, shockwave therapy and time off. She had about a year off total. This could be your problem, or not but just like to throw this out there is weird lameness cases because it is an under diagnosed/misdiagnosed problem a lot because it can be hard to diagnose without MRI.
Is this in the stifle? And did it show up in the exam as front or hunt leg lameness? |
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Location: North Dakota | IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-08 10:34 AM veintiocho - 2017-08-08 10:17 AM Have you checked the suspensory? Be sure to ultrasound as a tear or injury wont show up on an xray.. Didn't improve when they nerve blocked that area so she didn't think we needed to ultrasound or X-ray anything
So you've got a lame horse that the vet can't find what's wrong but she won't even do basic x-rays or ultrasound???
I would absolutely do those two things. Sure, might come back normal, but that's 2 more things you can rule off your list.
I just can't fathom not doing those things, andthen she suggest to ride him hard when he's already giving you problems. That's a sure-fire way to sour a barrel horse.  (glad you are not taking her advice on that)
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Location: Texas | hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later.
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| RocketPilot - 2017-08-10 6:49 PM
hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later.
^^^THIS
We are going to a good vet in TX to get this figured out and fixed once and for all. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-10 7:51 PM RocketPilot - 2017-08-10 6:49 PM hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later. ^^^THIS We are going to a good vet in TX to get this figured out and fixed once and for all.
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| hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later.
Yes, terrible vet, what if "running him hard" makes it worse? You want a vet who knows how to find the sue, not hurt your horse more do it will show. I have a horse that hat shoes and feet looked great to X-ray showed different. Also one with hard to find issue, it turned out be a suspensory tear. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2017-08-10 7:54 PM
IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-10 7:51 PM RocketPilot - 2017-08-10 6:49 PM hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later. ^^^THIS We are going to a good vet in TX to get this figured out and fixed once and for all.
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| No collateral ligament in their hoof, they have a medial and lateral collateral ligament running inside the hoof, that is what she tore. They also have collateral ligaments in their stifle and pretty much every joint LOL, but the one in the foot is the hardest one to diagnose due to being hard to image. |
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Location: Downsouth | IowaCanChaser - 2017-08-08 10:09 AM
I have a horse with significant front right foot lameness. Only visible in a circle on hard ground. Went to the vet and it didn't change with nerve blocks in every part of the foot/leg. Shoulder and Elbow are normal after hard flexion. Cervical Verrebrate X-rays are normal. His soreness is bad enough that he refuses his first barrel (right) and is extremely gate sour. Completely at loss of what to do. Vet suggested running him hard until it's very obvious what hurts. I can't bring myself to do that to him especially when he is in enough pain that he refuses barrels. I have gotten 3 different vet's opinions. Any suggestions/prayers is appreciated.
I'm sure I will get bombed for this....send a hair analysis to Heather Benson. I went through this for 2 yrs. over $5000 in vet bills. Injected everything, some 2-3 times. Analysis showed inflamed bursa sac on front right. Shod at correct angel, problem solved. Thank God for Heather. Before I found her, I was ready to kill the mare and myself. What's another 25 bucks!!!
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Location: Wherever the Army sends my husband | rodeomom3 - 2017-08-10 8:23 PM
hannahbug - 2017-08-09 8:13 AM Any vet that recommends riding a lame horse instead of a referral. . . . Find a better lameness vet. And for your horse's sake, sooner rather than later.
Yes, terrible vet, what if "running him hard" makes it worse? You want a vet who knows how to find the sue, not hurt your horse more do it will show. I have a horse that hat shoes and feet looked great to X-ray showed different. Also one with hard to find issue, it turned out be a suspensory tear.
I had a very similar situation. Mare seemed off but not obviously lame . Took her to 4 different vets before she was diagnosed with a suspensory tear. The 3rd vet even said the same thing "run her till it gets worse, then bring her back". I made the horrid mistake of listening to them and it did absolutely make it worse! She is on month 8 of rehabilitation and I am terrified that she will have to be retired.
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Location: OH. IO | checking in,when does he go to the vet??keeping him in my prayers |
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Location: New Sharon, IA | I am also in Iowa. I was concerned about my daughters horse due to her standing strangely also. She was standing with her right rear extended out behind her at pretty much all times when at rest. I watched this for many months before I finally decided to take her in. Took her to Dr. Abrahams in Cedar Rapids. Excellent vet. He didn't do any blocks but flex tested her up high and that showed the lameness coming from her right stifle. Xrayed and found a compromised meniscus. She wasn't refusing the gate or the barrels but her first barrel was always a struggle to get just right. She just had surgery to remove the pieces of meniscus and clean up the joint a month ago. Dr. Abraham did the diagnosis and Dr. McClure is who did the surgery. Both excellent lameness vets in Iowa. Good luck! |
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Location: Got Lobsta? | Love2runbarrels - 2017-08-09 4:58 PM Collateral ligament tear, my horse was lame only in a circle to the left, nerve blocks did not improve the lameness (common with collateral ligament tears), we x rayed, injected coffin joints, special shoeing...we did it all. Finally the vet did an ultrasound on her medial collateral ligament (we did leverage testing to determine if it was the medial or lateral collateral ligament that was bothering her) and we saw the tear. We were lucky to see it on ultrasound because sometimes it is to deep and can only be seen with MRI. Treatment was a denoix collateral ligament shoe, shockwave therapy and time off. She had about a year off total. This could be your problem, or not but just like to throw this out there is weird lameness cases because it is an under diagnosed/misdiagnosed problem a lot because it can be hard to diagnose without MRI.
Following this as my horse is going through the same thing. Last stop is Tufts on Monday for MRI $3400 just for one foot, but I hope we can discover what is wrong. |
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| Maybe she got goofy in the pasture and twisted herself. Maybe give her a week of.previous and see if she is better. Then go from there. My mare.started doing the same thing after 2 weeks off because of.the hot spell and I had somethings to do.for another week. At first I thought she was being naughty,.but on day I ran my hand down her to check her and she is sore, after a week off.she is better, so I giving her some.previous for a week see what happens. My filly could almost do a sliding stop and I had just taken a lesson from a good reiner, the kind that would notice soreness
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