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Location: North Dakota | Do the Courts Camarillo as Reinsman Camarillo saddles haze the same trees? What kind of back do they usually fit?
Edited by cavyrunsbarrels 2017-08-10 3:47 AM
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| I don't know for sure. But my guess is no, not the same tree. I have a new Reinsman Camarillo and LOVE it. It fits everything. It really hugs a horse, no movement and has some rock to the tree. Contact Felicia at Horse Tack World for info on those. She's an exclusive dealer.
I also have an older Courts Camarillo and it fits quite a bit narrower than the Reinsman. |
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| RedHead84 - 2017-08-10 8:51 AM
I don't know for sure. But my guess is no, not the same tree. I have a new Reinsman Camarillo and LOVE it. It fits everything. It really hugs a horse, no movement and has some rock to the tree. Contact Felicia at Horse Tack World for info on those. She's an exclusive dealer.
I also have an older Courts Camarillo and it fits quite a bit narrower than the Reinsman.
I had a Court's Camarillo and it was too narrow for my horses. I loved the way it rode, though. I have not tried the Reinsman Camarillo. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM
Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree.
Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Lift up the side jockey and see if there are any numbers.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 11:57 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have.
You have to have a bare tree to know what gullet your getting unless you call the saddle maker, When ever I'm looking at a used saddle I always get the serial number off the saddle if they have one and call the saddle maker. IRunOnFaith is right about the measuring the gullet after the saddle is completed. |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 11:57 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have.
I haven't bought the saddle, I was just looking at the ad online. If I can get the owner to get the # I will. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 2:27 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 11:57 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have.
Sounds good.
Most of the time people have no idea they're numbered :) 
What type of horse are you trying to fit? |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-11 8:47 AM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 2:27 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 11:57 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have.
Most of the time people have no idea they're numbered :)
What type of horse are you trying to fit?
I'll see if my pics would attach |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-11 8:47 AM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 2:27 PM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 11:57 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2017-08-10 11:00 AM IRunOnFaith - 2017-08-10 9:36 AM Courts has 8 different tree styles for the Camarillo.... Can you give me more info on each saddle?
Ususally the Courts are marked with a number. Can you give me that number?
The Reinsman is a "Camarillo Wide" tree and has a 7" gullet with FQHB. No one at Reinsman will be able to tell you the bar spread or the angle. Mainly because they don't know what that means back in customer service lol.
Anyway, you have two seperate makers with seemingly the same 7" gullet and FQHB unless you have the Courts #46 or #51 tree. Then you're looking at a 6 3/4 gullet with semi bars. Each saddle maker and tree maker are going to measure the FQ and Semi Q bar differently. What someone considers a Full someone else may condier a semi.
In short, no these saddles are not the same tree. Wow having that many trees for one saddle is unheard of to me. The one I found appears to have a 6 3/4"-7" gullet. It's hard when people don't hold the measuring tape just right.
Measuring a gullet after the tree has been covered is always inacurate.
If you can read the numbers to me I can tell you exactly what you have.
Most of the time people have no idea they're numbered :)
What type of horse are you trying to fit?
He's big (15.3 and stout) medium wither, fairly flat back, and massive shoulders. |
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| My sister has a Reinsman Camrillo, it fits our horses really nice (they are pretty thick/wide). Personally it's not that comfortable for me to ride in but she likes it a lot. |
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Courts Camarillo vs Reinsman Camarillo?